News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

If we are talking about Christianity why the Judeo part, why was it added when for the overwhelming majority of history it was never mentioned. There was no talk of Judeo/Christian traditions during the Crusades, nor during the great Christian Schism or indeed during the later religious wars.

This nonsense came about with the rise of Colonialism.

Maybe
Neocatastrophism is an interesting and valid concept in earth sciences however It doesn't seem to hold much water in historical investigation of social evolution.

Love / Are Polish men handsome to you? [182]


Yeah Hasselhoff

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

What do you mean by Judeo Christian, no one wants to define this much used phrase.

Do you mean Christian but throw Jews in to make a biblical connection to God? That what a lot of the exotic reformed thinkers do because they need to plug the huge gap that literal biblical truth creates for Christians.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


Yeah, but you have not said what it is.

This phrase is just some words without any meaning if you disagree briefly explain what it means an accurate definition cannot be too difficult if it's as you said so clearly obvious.

If you mean European I understand all too clearly what you write. European gives context to the nebulous idea of Judeo/Christian, if you don't mean European what do you mean?

You may find Paulina tiresome but she goes straight to the core of what you are saying and you fail to answer her valid questions. Bringing up other discussions where you misunderstood (again) the key points is no substitute for discussion.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


What is indigenous European?
Islam was in Iberia longer than Christianity, today there are still European Muslims in the Balkans and other places.

This modern ill defined phrase is like "stuff" it can mean anything, calling it a tradition is not kosher.

Paulina a lot of people use that phrase without understanding usually without malice, but you can be sure when pressed most will struggle to accurately define it. Those who use it with deliberate intent tend to use it as code for White European.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


This is what Des said......


Harry He is noting that the historical character (if he existed) was a Jew at some point in his life.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

You keep saying that it's obvious and it's clear what this tradition is but refuse to elaborate other than to say that Christianity comes from The Jewish faith. That is not describing a tradition that is a statement of fact.

You have not explained what you mean by a Judeo/Christian tradition. I have let you know what I have studied and been taught, it can't be too difficult to give a little history of how you believe this phrase to have evolved, to describe what it means.

You reject Zimmy's correct usage but refuse to explain what you mean and You can't do that because you don't understand the words you type.

It's no good to say it's clearly obvious, I'm asking you to explain, we know the three religions are related, we know that Christianity is not a European idea, nor are the other two. Democracy is pre Christian, tolerance is not religion specific nor Education so what is this tradition?

Which of the "many Western states" as you said have a Judeo/Christian foundation? What marks them apart from those states that don't have this mysterious foundation?

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

So you think that Zimmy was talking about the scriptural relation between the Jewish and Christian sects when he quoted

"those enclaves have grown to where the Sharia law now challenges the Judeo-Christian foundations of their host European nations."

And you think that Zimmy wasn't talking about a hierarchy of cultures despite saying

"I don't believe that all cultures are equal in (their) values."?

No, you seem to think that people using the phrase "Judeo-Christian" are talking about theological matters in a cerebral context and not in the context in which the phrase was coined, that is to provide a scriptural basis for racism and colonialism. Because you don't understand what is being said doesn't mean that everyone else also misunderstands.

I'll ask again, What are the exact circumstances/events that this phrase exists to describe? If it is just describing a theological event as you claim, why is it relevant to this discussion and why is it described as a tradition?

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

No you have not explained anything, you have simply pointed out the obvious......these religions are related, a small child could do that. This "tradition" is in fact a deeply racist piece of propaganda, morons repeat it because they think these small familiar words make them sound knowledgeable and modern.

What is commonly meant by those who use the phrase with understanding is that there is a democratic tradition of tolerance and understanding that is a god given blessing to Europeans and as a result it's their destiny to guide the unclean towards enlightenment including Jews. There is no tradition of any Christian sect and any other religion working together to produce some kind of European tradition.

Of course the internal contradictions of such a message of supposed tolerance are ignored as are the clear ahistorical roots of such a wild idea.

That is what is meant by a Judeo/Christian tradition.

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It's so obvious yet you cannot explain what a Judeo/Christian tradition is, perhaps it would be better If you didn't use phrases that you don't understand.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

Sz, again if it's so obvious perhaps you would care to explain exactly what it is. Using a phrase that you don't understand is a bit silly. The political phrase is clearly based in the supposed reality of ethnic supremacists however apart from some scriptural links there is no grounding in everyday reality for this as yet to be defined idea.

So again I ask you to define this tradition and explain how it came about, you said it was clear you said it is obvious so you shouldn't have any difficulty explaining the phrase you use.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

Sz you continue to miss the point as usual, this phrase as used today (and almost always) has nothing to do with scripture it's a political phrase which is the only consistent thing about it in terms of meaning.

Jaszek perhaps you could attempt to explain what you mean, you don't like Muslims that is clear but what argument have you got to convince me that you are correct.

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That is exactly the point, this phrase has nothing to do with the historic or scriptural relationships between the religions, it's an undefined political phrase used to mean anything, lately it's used to place Islam at a distance. Originally used to give evangelical Christianity some biblical justification and to promote the ideas of manifest destiny, it's meaningless nonsense.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

Fine, just give a brief definition and history of this tradition and all will be well.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

This so called "tradition" has no basis in reality, if it is clear and obvious explain what it is and when it was established as a tradition?

Before going further we need to know exactly what it is because it seems to mean different things to different people.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

What is this Jewish Christian tradition? Is it religious, political, cultural, a mix of all three and none or is it just a made up thing.

Where was this great undefined idea during Europe's religious wars or earlier before and during the East West schism? How did this so called tradition change to accommodate the changes in both Christianity and The Jewish faiths?

The Christian part is not a unified or settled idea so how do we know what the writer means before he introduces ideas from other schools of thought.

People who use this phrase usually have no idea what they are typing.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

Islam and Christianity have a common root in Jewishness there the connection ends. It is not clear that there is a "tradition" linking these religions other than let's be nice to people.

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They do but it's still bollox there is no Judeo/Christian tradition. No one starts a religion by saying let's be bad to people, the roots are unimportant.

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There is no such thing it's made up nonsense, trying to group Christianity into one group is silly let alone adding another religion.


Yes really,the nuts that trot out this Judo/Christian stuff do so because it sounds good.

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Every time I see phrases like this or cognitive dissonance, suspend belief/disbelief or the elephant in the room I hang my head. It's like wood chip wall paper in the 70s everywhere but still a bad idea.

Judeo-Christian foundations what a load of crap.....

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


You are not European, you arrive in some other country as part of an army and expect everyone to love you, whats wrong have you run out of blacks and Jews to hate?

UK, Ireland / Agnieszka Pomaska, beautiful Polish politician [43]

Forget about what she said........
youtube.com/watch?v=KnYoFmBagmk

Love / Poland's virginity market [17]

Christ on a horse, are you scraping the bottom of the barrel for every story.

Jesus, english (as foreign) language papers are generally trash but that takes some beating. Are there no stories about how no one speaks English in the town hall or how things are better back home?

UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]

All I'm doing is pointing out the inconsistencies that free market evangelists gloss over.
You stated that richer countries tend to have less government intervention I'm saying that that is not true.
You want to remove benefits from the poor but not the rich I'm saying that is socialism for the rich.

Thats it really, nothing too complicated.

Its not really about winning or loosing, exchanging ideas in some cases allows openminded people to change or refine their view of things.

UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]

No government nothing to get in the way of the free market so all should be good after all you said that rich countries tend to have less government. Are you not astounded that Somalia isnt thriving?

If a lack of a functioning government is a problem for economic growth move next door and look at other African countries. What one finds is that as the state becomes more competent and regulatory the economy becomes more productive. Rich countries have more government intervention than poor countries. If you are suggesting that there is some kind of threshold after which government intervention becomes a hinderance I can only point you to the disaster that hit the west when socialist nationalisation saved the day. Regulation was removed in the financial sector and look what happened.

You have no problem with the state subsidising everything but the poor, look at the amount of money thrown at the banking sector for example, socialism in practice for the rich but how dare the poor be subsidised. It is morally and economically wrong to write off whole generations of people but why should they not be subsidised like the rich in the absence of any other strategy. EU citizens going to Britain have to be treated the same as everyone else the tiny amount of money involved is not an issue.

UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]

I dont have to leave Europe to enjoy the fruits of the state, in fact all rich countries have much more state intervention than poor countries it is clearly good for business.

That is why Germany has a better economy than Somalia....

UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]


The converse is true, poor countries have next to no regulation rich countries have lots.

The point is that benefits subsidise the rich by supplying a cheap pool of labour so that industry and commerce can thrive, thats the business plan Thatcher implemented. Of course they had to go back to good old nationalisation to save the western economies, its great to be able to say I told you so when the benefits of Socialism have been tested and worked.

UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]

Haulage companies are just an example of subsidies that free marketeers like. In places like Dublin or London the entire economy is propped up with state subsidies. Without benefits these places would stop generating wealth.

The free movement of capital means the free movement of people that's what the EU is designed for. With the lack of an economic policy beyond nationalise debt, privatise profit it's not really surprising that people have been ignored. The crazy economic nonsense of the 80s is responsible for this mess.

UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]

How much would things cost if haulage companies had to pay for the roads and their upkeep? Removing subsidies from the unemployed or people with large families is easy to argue while enjoying all the other state subsidies however the economic and social consequences would be too big to hide.

It's a self flattering delusion that one can be an independent man island which is impossible unless one is Robinson Crusoe.

UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]


I dont mean royalty, would you like to see all subsidies removed not just subsidies to individuals.

It would be strange to remove subsidies from the unemployed yet retain them for farmers and most commerce for example