UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


That is really silly logic by your reckoning a sliding scale of support should be introduced dependant upon contributions, good bye Health Service for a start.

"Nature Red in Tooth and Claw"
Are you really that savage?

News / More drug-drivers than drink-drivers in Poland [7]


Why not punish them instead?

UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


Just add Hitler and you have the perfect internet post.

UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


Equating productivity with wealth creation was a bit clumsy.

I said earlier that modes of production had changed a British MP, Dennis Skinner, put it in a nutshell when he said that monetarist policy would lead to us all selling hamburgers and insurance to each other. That was the path that was taken and we still have the demographic problem. Raising the retirement age wont solve it nor will job creation without some migration.

I'm not a big proponent of multiculturalism I'm not against it either. Multiculturalism is a way to deal with the inevitable migration its far from perfect but the alternative is protectionism and we have gone too far down the path of diversification to reverse it.

I cant see how we can increase the wealth creation ability of the individual especially, as you have said, the never ending drive to cut costs leads to jobs going elsewhere.


Privatise profit Nationalise debt not a good way to run an economy

UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


These look like good ideas but with a time lag.

I'm still waiting for jarnowa to suggest an alternative as he in particular is concerned by migration.

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I meant what I said.


Lets say you are correct, how do you propose to increase productivity without migration?


The mass hysteria over witch trials or the reds under the beds hearings come to mind every time I see multiculturism used as an insult

UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


Stopping immigration is not racist, throwing non whites out is.


I didnt suggest that at all I said that with a fertility rate below 2.1 in the developed world population falls. To maintain living standards, paid for by the economically productive, migration is essential. The only other way is to increase the economic productivity of the individual. The migration model is the easiest way to do this.


No, it's based on sound economic reality.

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I really dont understand this. Fascist Spain had a lot of foreigners?
Europe in general has had a lot of immigrants the "violence" has not materialised despite what a lot of drama queens say. Racism is inhuman because it's against humans, trying to combat something inhuman within the parameters of the law is a good thing.

There is a lot of aul shite being talked here, the multiple postings of the terrible and inhuman murder in turkey/Kurdistan being used as a stick to beat Muslims while ignoring the terrible and inhuman treatment of that Austrian man's (and others) daughter. Western/christian traditions? I think not. I'll come back to this.

One person made a good point about the Honour Killing, Torq said that the most shocking thing was the Polices' indifference to the child's fate and I agree. Making a sweeping statement about the Religious culture that engendered that indifference I would simply point to the present difficulties in Christian or more specifically Catholic Mexico. Christian Mexican police are exemplars of indifference look at the murder and detection rates. The reluctance to investigate murders of children in for example Ciudad Juarez doesnt lead me to a similar conclusion.

Christian societies dont have the stain of honour killings no matter how poor or deprived they are, nothing (outside of that society) can excuse such behaviour, this is not a case for relativism it's simply a case of right and wrong. Projecting that conclusion upon all Muslims is shallow beyond outrage.

The rates of such comparable incidents may be used in an attempt to grab the mantel of superiority but it would make a very tawdry mantel for the self proclaimed victor.

The idea that the left are somehow immune to racism or the impact of migration is to nicely pigeon hole the problem. Demographics of the developed world dictate the rate of migration in an ageing population, dropping below a fertility rate of 2.1 leads to a declining population this coupled with improved longevity is a direct threat to the prosperity of any country. Having said that a populous nation doesnt equal prosperity, modes of production have changed this is why Ireland is richer than Bangladesh. Managed migration is vital to sustain the west's wealth and this policy is driven by the right.

The BNP are a racist organisation Ukip are not. Racism is inhuman draw your own conclusions. Those people who are protesting are not racist, stupid or lazy.

Food / Wolski Roasted Red Peppers - recipes [14]

A fiddly one, (depending on size) fill them/wrap around steamed and chopped spinach a bit of feta or twarozek a touch of grated nutmeg great for bbq or those ridged pans on the gas.

Life / You are Polish if... [433]


He was going through the motions.

UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


You will understand as you get older and god forbid develop dementia with no one there to look after you then you will be screaming for state subsidies.


You are going to get a shock when you meet your first Spanish "Tio".

UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


I remember Norman Tebbit saying a similar thing

UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


WTF wise up.
Would you talk about anyone else like that, those people are concerned about their jobs, mortgages, feeding their children,etc.

USA, Canada / What do the Poles hate and love about the U.S.? [170]


Can you name them? I cant think of any except for instigating a company boycott of Israel or trade with Cuba and the former is rarely enforced.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Very interesting
Are you saying that people hide behind myths?

Off-Topic / Europe according to Poles and other European nations [44]


OK, I'll use the Queen's English just for you.

My neighbour has a small dog......

Off-Topic / Europe according to Poles and other European nations [44]


My neighbour has a wee dog and like you it thinks its a Rottweiler, all it does is make a lot of noise.
Would you develop a sense of humour.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Its all there for you to read, you can read?

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Be advised, my passport's green
No glass of ours was ever raised
To toast the Queen
(Seamus Heaney)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


They reinforce identity


I guess a lot of Americans do know and this is the point, they celebrate it as a national festival with collective amnesia.


Exactly.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Do you think most people are brainwashed?
National myths are important its how one approaches/defends them that may cause offence.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


People who are easily imprinted like baby ducks dont make good discussion partners. I dont know anyone who always believes the first thing they are told.

Indoctrination rarely occurs, religion is a good example of failed indoctrination, most people who say they are Catholic dont take communion on a daily basis when they could, in effect, rejecting Christ.

People are smart.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Bratwurst Boy
Talking about almost anything with an idiot is difficult. A normal person knows what is mythic and what is not.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them?
Myths help define a nation painting it in a good light, today it's called spin. It’s not the fact that the truth is widely known but how the majority of the people feel about a story. The Hati myths though not widely known are a fine example, what is good about them is the sympathetic light shone upon the Polish legions (refracted by known Polish history).

I would say leave the myths alone.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


I have been reading about this episode recently.


From angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/PolesinHaitiA.html

Most links refer to the sympathetic nature of Polish soldiers towards the Haitians especially as slavery was a foreign concept to Polish people. Most of the soldiers died of yellow fever and all but a handful of the survivors stayed in Haiti.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


It is good to be precise; In English it is the second republic.

If you lost your name get over it, you can change it back or did your ancestors not think it important enough?

Genealogy / Missing/unknown letter in my great-grandmother's last name. Any ideas? [34]

Is it possible that the typed name could be a transcription of the name Rujna or similar(I dont know where the p could fit). Just a guess.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


You got lost? I'm sure you will find your Ivory tower soon.


It’s what interwar Poland is known as in English


There is a time and place for pedantry


I'm glad you got that off your chest but I dont know what it means or am I being a bit pedantic here with you lack of quotes?

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


If I had been one I would have felt the same.


Again I agree with you drawing artificial lines is not good and has led to countless tragedies throughout the world.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


I largely agree but the point about the allegiances of The Germanic minority in The Second Republic brings up issues of how they were treated, enforcing the Polish language on German speakers cant then be used as a legimate grievance using the logic of the quote.