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You apparently have failed to notice it was the "total opposition's" obstructionism, repeated calls for recesses, stalling, foot-dragging, disrupting the business at had, switching off lights, singing, swamping the presidum with 1,300 proposed amendments, throwing paper balls as in primary school, etc., etc. that caused the proceedings to drag into the night.

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Their lack has been the "total oppositon's" downfall. Former Polish Justice Minister and Attorney General Barbara Piwnik has said that although she had doubts about the controversial new laws on the judiciary, there have been no good counter- proposals, and debate has become too emotional.

"If there is no balanced, reasonable counter-proposal, if you do not undertake a factual discussion -- I freely admit it's a little unpleasant to hear only emotions being thrown back and forth, when it comes to the justice system, that leads to the situation we have today," she told Polska The Times.

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Indeed, more in line with the bread & circus philosophy with his "warm tap water" approach.


Do you really think one can compare the internal voting procedures of a politcal party with those of international bodies? What you have actually implied is that the EU should adopt a PiS-style modus operandi.

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At least for once you have provided a realistic diagnosis. All those polticians, pundits and media people aghast at and preplexed by Brexit and the inroads made by popullist and nationalist candidates in recent years have failed to realise that the leftist-liberal PC codswallop they're peddling appeals mainly to snobbish, arrogant elites. In America and Europe decades of something passed off as "liberal democracy" had become all but second nature and was taken for granted. Eventually howerver the masses began seeing through the clever but deceptive propaganda, the prettified slogans and euphemisms and started to wake up. The migrant crisis was probably the main catalyst, demonstrating the chasm between the "values" of the self-styled elites and the bulk of society.

We are rapidly approaching the threshold of conservative democracy, more in line with the beliefs and needs of ordinary citizens who will always outnumber the snooty elites.

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Indeed, but only amongst a frustrated and resentful leftist-liberal minority of confirmed losers. No wonder! They had largely succeeded in projecting to the outside world an image of Poland as a land in turmoil about to explode and tried to mount a putsch which again fizzled out just lke last December's aborted attempt. Not only PO & Co. do a p*ss-poor job of governing but can't even carry out a coup properly!

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Indeed, PO -19% and Nowoczesna - 5% are miserably disappointing support levels for parties that hope to rule to rule Poland one day. After the 2007-2015 PO/PSL debacle, it is highyl unlikely the electorate will trust those rip-off artists again any time soon.

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Don't believe the cleve rand suggestive but nevertheless deceptive leftist-liberal propaganda. It was Poland's sole dissenting vote that upheld the EU's honour. Otherwise it would have been a rerun of the kind of rubber-stamp votes typical of totalitarian regimes.

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A tiny squeak by groups of liberals, leftists and ex-commies in this overwhelmingly Catholic, conservative nation of 38 million. They are defending not democracy but commie judges and their own post-PO clique. The whole nation would gladly chant "wolne sądy, wolne sądy" if it meant "wolne sądy od komuchów"."

Never forget, lower-case, that in Poland "liberał" is almost a swear word!

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Vindictivness is the middle name of the mean-sprited "total opposition" who want to get even for losing the election. But with whom? PiS or the Polish nation which in mid-October 2017 announced in no uncertain terms: "PLATFORMIE JUŻ DZIĘKUEJMY. PLATFORMA MOŻE ODEJŚĆ!"

PO leader Schetyna has actually gone so far as to threaten MPs who voted for the judicial reforms with 5-year prison terms. PO keeps reminding us of PiS' "TKM" byword, but at least PiS did not qustion the voter's verdict of 2007. PO have openly rejected the Polish nation's democratic choice and have done everything possible to undermimne, sabotage and even overthrow Poland's legal, democratically elected government.

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Spot on! That's the reason PO got the red card in mid-October 2015, and nearly two years on PiS still command stable support in the 37% - 41% range.

jon and the candle-lit ranters he so admires have simpyl missed the boat. When a coupla thousandtrn out in their chanty-ranty huddle they think all Poland is behind them. The vast majority are not. And if somehow a snap election were held, they would end up the way PiS did in 2007.

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So they've changed the rules to bash Poland? I wouldn't put it past that German-ruled corporate mafia.

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Worse, because everyone knows how emotional lower-case is. But Mayfixit tries to pass himself off as a reasonable and knoledgeable type, well versed in economics and business practices. Such a one should have a more rational grasp of reality and not gullibly fall for meaningless sloganeering.

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And 26 EU states must approve whatever sanctions the Brusselcrats decide to impose, And that will never happen. Tough luck, Timmermans!

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The snitchers have really done ther homework against their own country if sanctions are now being threatened. How many more candlelight vigils do you foresee? Two, three, maybe another week, one or two down the road? But it won't make one bit of difference. The flea-bitten curs may bark, howl, yap and snap, but the good-change government will continue implemetning one campaign pledge after another. Meanwhile, the self-declared "total opposition" can lick their wounds, plot the next round of disruption and stew in their impotent fury and frustration following their second failed putsch attempt in 7 months' time.

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The candle makers must really be cashing in!

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He is a master strategist and that is hsi forte. He doesn't have to be a typist, mathematician or trumpet player. But love 'im o r hate 'im, everyone, even the opposition, agrees he is Poland's most powerful political figure. His major blunder was in 2007 when he agreed to a snap election, believing it would increase PiS' seats in the Sejm. Instead, PO won the elrction and subjected Poles to 8 years of their trademark scamster misrule. On the other hand, what other political party would have better tolerated 2 years of nonsense dished up by the Laurel & Hardy of Polish politics -- Giertych and Lepper?

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And every bit as disgusting and revolting as the screechy, screaming b*thces of the "total opposition". At least I am not as blindly partisan as you. Has anyone ever heard you criticise anythign about the the loons of KOD, PO or Petru?

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AND MILLIONS DO NOT! We all understand you proclivity for exotic minorities: homos, towelheads, people who chain themselves to trees or believe Brussels rules and may not be questioned, cross-dressers, trannies and the tiny minority that is raising all the rumpus on the streets at the taxpayer's expense to indulge their zest for poltical excitement, and that's your right. But millions in Poland, the overwhelming majority do not. Should they be prevented from having and expressing their own views?

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That is a fitting description of the hysterical govenrment-bashing rant faction -- like a bunch of screaming, pouting, stomping, tantrum-throwing brats. As an effective child psychologist by virtue of your profession,you certianly cannot be impressed when adults act that way, can you?

Incidentally, the latest Kantar Public survey showed stable public support fo PiS (38%), PO (19%), Petru (95) and Kukiuz (8%). The robust economy has seen fewer young peopel leaving the country and more Poles in general returning than emigrating. People across Poland dismiss the Warsaw rumpus as "warszawka" and are happy many have been able to leave poverty (500+). The high economic indicators (production, exports, investmentrs, higher wages, more consumer spending generating new jobs, the budget surplus rather than deficit, NBP predicotn of 4% GDP growth -- these are the things average Poles see and feel. Our court eocnomic expert Mayfixit cannot explain all that away so he pefers to join the ranter faction repeating their empty political mantras: kaczorek dyktatorek, wolne sądy (ale czy wolne od komuchów?), kon-sty-tu-cja.....

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Is a liability for PiS. She must have some metabolic disorder because she's always munching on something, sandwich, cake, etc. in palriament, at conferences or pressers. Pawłowicz would better fit in the rumpus-raisers' faction where there are many more of her kind -- brash, pushy, screechy, tasteless and lacking in class. Oh well, in a party of so many sterling patriots, one rotten apple is understandable.


Under the former post-commie rule, the KRS was an elite accountable only to themselves. How is that democratic solution? None of the ranters nor their leaders saw fit to explain that anomaly.

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Not when Germany's Länder have a voice in the matter. Poland would have to allow the województwa to partoivciapte in judicial appointments. But countries like that of the anti-Polish Timmeramans are closer to the Polish model. The parliament there submits candidates whom the king approves. No king in Poland, but conceivably the president coudl play that role. It is far more democratic for a democratically elected parliament to appoint judges than for a closed judges' circle to appoint and promote one another without parliamentary scrutiny. No other European country has anything similar. In many it is the government or justice min. who appoints judges, rubberstamped by the president or king.

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They should make you chairman of the board of PO*s hate industry. Small, primitive, mean-spriited people people like you and your guru HB desperately need a bugbear, a bogey, a bête noire to revile and discredit because that saves you from thinking. Much easier to repeat loud but emtpy nad meaningless slogans than to think things out for oneself.

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i have very little knowledge of Irish history, but whenever any country is occupied by a foreign power, there are always some renegades who support the occupiers usually out of self-interest. Prior to Eire's indepdndence, you must've had some Irish who collabroated with the British, Knowing how fiercely patrtoic the Irish tend to be, I can only assume such collaborators were regarded as turncoats and outcasts.

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I'm glad you do not approve of all the hysterical ballyhoo the "total opposition" is serving up and claiming that shoutng, insulting, pushing, shoving and sabotaging the parliamnetrary process, etc. is "democracy".

On another score, over the ages where there any ethnic Irish (not Ulster Scots-Irish) who actually supported the British side of the age-old conflict? Did any do it as a heart-felt conviction or did it serve their personal interests?

We have a similar situation in Poland. After six years of German occupation and 45 years of Soviet domination via PRL proxy, like those much-reviled pro-British Irish Poland too has its faction that curry favour with foreign interest groups and look to Berlin, Brussels and Paris for guidance and snitchery. Then there is to pro-Polish government which promotes Polish interests first, last and always -- an attitude all but identical to that of the patriotic Free Irish towards their homeland. Which side are you on, Atch?

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If so, how is it that Morawiecki claimed to have improved VAT enforcement at present which is roughly Equal to the amount that "disappeared" during the Tusk period? Asked how that was possible, he poignantly replied: "It suffices not to steal (Wysrarczy nie kraść!)".

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Wonder if HB has sobered up sufficiently by now following his "pro-democracy" (ROFL) effort last night. PFers one and all are dying to hear his detailed report on the rumpus. A lot of good it did the rumpus-raisers.

On 20th July 2017, post-communism aka III RP died. True freedom and democracy have prevailed!

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More antics with semantics?! It is meant as a pure desciptive of a period that has ostensibly severed ties with communism but in fact in many afreas, especially personnelwise, is its continuation. III RP is a euphemism that attempts to conceal that reality.

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Those clever SOBs have had a quarter-century to destroy the evidence. Since SBs and TWs were listed in different archives, Jaruzelski and Kiszczak were unable to incinerate all the proof in 1989-90 at the Konstancin papermill. So evidence could still be pieced together in many cases but it woudl be a most tedious and time-consuming task.Many of the villans are up in age, so except in extreme cases like killing a Żołnierrz Wyklęty or other national hero, probbaly these people will never be brought to justice. But at least they shouldn't be allowed to pollute the judiciary following their PRL-era verdicts against freedom-fighters.

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You don't even listen to your own leaders. It was Schetyna who said: "Jesteśmy totalną opozycją!" It was also he who said they would get back into power "ulicą i zarganicą", repeatedly raising a costly (in terms of added taxpayer-funded police protection) rumpus on the streets and snitching to foreign governments, Brussels and international media. And that they indeed have done! But they will never return to power!

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So why is it that the "total opposition", not JK, are so ardently lobbying for the return of the post-commie quarter-century when ex-SB types and PRL-era judges could lvie in the lap of luxury?