Paulina
7 May 2024
Travel / Kielce and the area - amazing Polish Pocket Knives live there [103]
And the prices are affordable too :)
More of their stuff:
And the prices are affordable too :)
More of their stuff:
Paulina
7 May 2024
Love / Date Guidelines Required [36]
@jon357, is there something that you'd recommend to try in that Lokanta place?
@jon357, is there something that you'd recommend to try in that Lokanta place?
Paulina
7 May 2024
Travel / Kielce and the area - amazing Polish Pocket Knives live there [103]
Haha... :D Yeah, look at that wuzetka... and the nut cake... ;O 🤤
More photos :):
1. Staff with faworki (angel wings) :)
2. Staff and the owner with St. Martin's croissants.
3. The interior.
4. The exterior - their ogródek kawiarniany has a view on the Kielce's main promenade (the café is located on the Sienkiewicz Street).
Haha... :D Yeah, look at that wuzetka... and the nut cake... ;O 🤤
More photos :):
1. Staff with faworki (angel wings) :)
2. Staff and the owner with St. Martin's croissants.
3. The interior.
4. The exterior - their ogródek kawiarniany has a view on the Kielce's main promenade (the café is located on the Sienkiewicz Street).
Paulina
7 May 2024
Travel / Kielce and the area - amazing Polish Pocket Knives live there [103]
@Feniks, I'm glad you like them :)))
@Feniks, I'm glad you like them :)))
Paulina
8 May 2024
News / Homosexual lobby steps up infiltration in Poland [110]
If you mean physical attractiveness then I doubt that it's true. You'd have to prove it with statistical data, results of some reliable research which I doubt you have :)
If you mean "manly" behaviour and way of dressing then that's probably around half of lesbians. The other half is feminine. The same is with gay men - there are those who are manly and those who are "feminine". The feminine gays are also usually not viewed as attractive by heterosexual women - not in the sense of the physical look, but behaviour. So it's not just in case of lesbians.
I honestly do wonder if he really is that stupid or is he simply baiting people to draw their attention, so he could unload his internal crap on them. Either way - he's not right in the head and a waste of time.
Imagine how women must feel when we witness the behaviour and views of such individuals.
The percentage of unattractive (to men) women who are lesbians is higher than the percentage of unattractive (to men) women who are not lesbians.
If you mean physical attractiveness then I doubt that it's true. You'd have to prove it with statistical data, results of some reliable research which I doubt you have :)
If you mean "manly" behaviour and way of dressing then that's probably around half of lesbians. The other half is feminine. The same is with gay men - there are those who are manly and those who are "feminine". The feminine gays are also usually not viewed as attractive by heterosexual women - not in the sense of the physical look, but behaviour. So it's not just in case of lesbians.
Surely you can't be that stupid.
I honestly do wonder if he really is that stupid or is he simply baiting people to draw their attention, so he could unload his internal crap on them. Either way - he's not right in the head and a waste of time.
OK, I'm out of this thread. I feel my testosterone level dropping just by reading statements like this.
Imagine how women must feel when we witness the behaviour and views of such individuals.
Paulina
8 May 2024
News / Homosexual lobby steps up infiltration in Poland [110]
And you know that how? lol Has there been any reliable research to confirm that claim of yours?
Because I have definitely never heard of such phenomenon.
I've only read that women are more likely to report having some lesbian sexual experiences in their lives than men (17% vs 6%) and that they more often idenitify as bisexual than men (6% vs 2%):
cbsnews.com/news/more-women-report-same-sex-relationships/
There's nothing here about majority of proper lesbians being lesbians only "temporarily" though lol
Like in the RuSSian military? :D
Lesbianism is mostly temporary or situational.
And you know that how? lol Has there been any reliable research to confirm that claim of yours?
Because I have definitely never heard of such phenomenon.
I've only read that women are more likely to report having some lesbian sexual experiences in their lives than men (17% vs 6%) and that they more often idenitify as bisexual than men (6% vs 2%):
cbsnews.com/news/more-women-report-same-sex-relationships/
There's nothing here about majority of proper lesbians being lesbians only "temporarily" though lol
Gayness is forever.
Like in the RuSSian military? :D
Paulina
8 May 2024
News / Homosexual lobby steps up infiltration in Poland [110]
@Novichok, so, as usual, you're talking out of your ass. Got it.
No, you don't. You're either criminally stupid or a pathological attention wh0re (could be both too, I guess lol).
@Novichok, so, as usual, you're talking out of your ass. Got it.
I know stuff...
No, you don't. You're either criminally stupid or a pathological attention wh0re (could be both too, I guess lol).
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
A shocking case of neglect by the London police?: 😳😢
o2.pl/informacje/smierc-sandry-w-londynie-bedzie-sekcja-w-polsce-wiadomo-co-z-dna-7025444898376192a
A 19-year-old Sandra Nguyen from Warsaw who was studying architecture at the Kensington University was found dead on December 23 last year in the flat she was renting in West Kensington, London. She lived there with two male flatmates.
She was supposed to come to Poland for Christmas, but she never got there.
Her mother got worried because Sandra wasn't picking up the phone for a few days, which was unusual for her and so she asked the girl's neighbours to enter the flat. They found her dead lying on the couch in an unnatural position and with bruises on her face, forearms and legs.
The London police quickly decided that the girl died from natural causes even though her body wasn't checked for rape (no swabs were done, even though her mother asked for it) and semen was found on her clothes that were there at the flat (she had no boyfriend).
The London coroner stated that her heart stopped beating, but he didn't say why it stopped. Her mother said that Sandra danced for years and she had her heart checked every 6 months - everything was OK. According to toxicology tests there were no substances in the girl's blood that could cause her death.
The two male flatmates weren't even questioned by the police even though they claimed they left the flat before Sandra's death - and yet, the laptop found at the flat got plugged in 4 days later when Sandra was already dead for quite a while and allegedly there was noone at the flat.
The death scene wasn't secured and the flatmates were let in inside a day after Sandra's body was found.
The private detective hired by the mother said that it's possible there was a party at the flat - there were 5 glasses found there and the police didn't secure them, they didn't secure the DNA. The sheets with spots that could suggest that something happened there weren't secured either. The detective said that he got the material too late - it was already useless.
The London police officers didn't want to talk in front of the cameras. The flatmates didn't want to talk to Polish media either. The UK investigation was discontinued and so the mother asked in April this year the Polish prosecutor's office in Warsaw to start their own investigation.
On April 24 Sandra's body was transported to Poland and is being prepared for another autopsy.
I tried to find some info about this case in the British media, but all I found was this:
ground.news/article/mysterious-death-of-a-19-year-old-girl-in-london-polish-prosecutors-office-reacts
And it's just a short summary from Polsat News...
A 19-year-old Sandra and when she was 11 years old: 🕯️
A shocking case of neglect by the London police?: 😳😢
o2.pl/informacje/smierc-sandry-w-londynie-bedzie-sekcja-w-polsce-wiadomo-co-z-dna-7025444898376192a
A 19-year-old Sandra Nguyen from Warsaw who was studying architecture at the Kensington University was found dead on December 23 last year in the flat she was renting in West Kensington, London. She lived there with two male flatmates.
She was supposed to come to Poland for Christmas, but she never got there.
Her mother got worried because Sandra wasn't picking up the phone for a few days, which was unusual for her and so she asked the girl's neighbours to enter the flat. They found her dead lying on the couch in an unnatural position and with bruises on her face, forearms and legs.
The London police quickly decided that the girl died from natural causes even though her body wasn't checked for rape (no swabs were done, even though her mother asked for it) and semen was found on her clothes that were there at the flat (she had no boyfriend).
The London coroner stated that her heart stopped beating, but he didn't say why it stopped. Her mother said that Sandra danced for years and she had her heart checked every 6 months - everything was OK. According to toxicology tests there were no substances in the girl's blood that could cause her death.
The two male flatmates weren't even questioned by the police even though they claimed they left the flat before Sandra's death - and yet, the laptop found at the flat got plugged in 4 days later when Sandra was already dead for quite a while and allegedly there was noone at the flat.
The death scene wasn't secured and the flatmates were let in inside a day after Sandra's body was found.
The private detective hired by the mother said that it's possible there was a party at the flat - there were 5 glasses found there and the police didn't secure them, they didn't secure the DNA. The sheets with spots that could suggest that something happened there weren't secured either. The detective said that he got the material too late - it was already useless.
The London police officers didn't want to talk in front of the cameras. The flatmates didn't want to talk to Polish media either. The UK investigation was discontinued and so the mother asked in April this year the Polish prosecutor's office in Warsaw to start their own investigation.
On April 24 Sandra's body was transported to Poland and is being prepared for another autopsy.
I tried to find some info about this case in the British media, but all I found was this:
ground.news/article/mysterious-death-of-a-19-year-old-girl-in-london-polish-prosecutors-office-reacts
And it's just a short summary from Polsat News...
A 19-year-old Sandra and when she was 11 years old: 🕯️
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
@jon357, I had a feeling that your comment will look like that...
It doesn't look like they followed them at all.
To explain what happened? It looks like even the mother wasn't informed why her daughter died.
Why?
For now it looks to me like shocking police incompetence. We'll see what Polish autopsy will show, but I don't know if it isn't too late - it's been 4 months already... :(
@jon357, I had a feeling that your comment will look like that...
have very strict protocols to follow.
It doesn't look like they followed them at all.
Why the hell should they?
To explain what happened? It looks like even the mother wasn't informed why her daughter died.
The involvement of a "private detective hired by the mother" is a red flag here.
Why?
For now it looks to me like shocking police incompetence. We'll see what Polish autopsy will show, but I don't know if it isn't too late - it's been 4 months already... :(
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
If that's a non-story for you then you're one messed up individual.
Yes, because they're the only ones talking.
So all I know for now is what they're saying.
That's how it should work in a normal, democratic country in such a case when there's a suspicion of police neglect.
They are - in Poland.
And how do you know that?
Btw, it wouldn't be a "non-story" for me if it happened in Poland either. Even though I had family members in the Polish police. I know how police anywhere can suck sometimes.
That's why you posted a non-story.
If that's a non-story for you then you're one messed up individual.
How do you know? On the basis of something a grieving mother and her 'private detective' said?
Yes, because they're the only ones talking.
So all I know for now is what they're saying.
To a camera crew? That's not how things work.
That's how it should work in a normal, democratic country in such a case when there's a suspicion of police neglect.
If there was the slightest possibility of a cover up, the media would be all over this.
They are - in Poland.
It isn't.
And how do you know that?
Btw, it wouldn't be a "non-story" for me if it happened in Poland either. Even though I had family members in the Polish police. I know how police anywhere can suck sometimes.
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
@jon357, if it was such a "non-story" I doubt the Polish prosecutor's office would get involved.
It doesn't mean it can't happen. Besides, I don't know if the mother knew about all those procedures. She came from Poland when she found out about her daughter's death, she didn't live in the UK.
Why didn't they say what was the cause of her death? Why did she have bruises on her face, legs and arms? Why the flatmates weren't questioned? Why DNA wasn't secured? Why the police didn't unblock Sandra's phone (the family can't get into it)?
@jon357, if it was such a "non-story" I doubt the Polish prosecutor's office would get involved.
all getting it wrong are vanishingly small.
It doesn't mean it can't happen. Besides, I don't know if the mother knew about all those procedures. She came from Poland when she found out about her daughter's death, she didn't live in the UK.
Why didn't they say what was the cause of her death? Why did she have bruises on her face, legs and arms? Why the flatmates weren't questioned? Why DNA wasn't secured? Why the police didn't unblock Sandra's phone (the family can't get into it)?
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
Well, if that's the case then there's nothing simpler then the police press officer telling this to the Polish media and explaining the cause of death of a healthy 19-year-old girl.
As I say, it's a non-story that is being pushed by a 'private detective'.
Well, if that's the case then there's nothing simpler then the police press officer telling this to the Polish media and explaining the cause of death of a healthy 19-year-old girl.
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
You mean Polish men who say that "Polki tylko wyjadą do UK to się z Arabami puszczają. Dziwki."?
I'm sure they would be terribly helpful, as always lol
So what was the cause of her death?
Until the British police says otherwise and explains why they are not suspects in this case, I will think they weren't questioned.
She would certainly be supported by Polish speaking police staff. London does not lack Poles, including people who have moved there and are serving as police officers.
You mean Polish men who say that "Polki tylko wyjadą do UK to się z Arabami puszczają. Dziwki."?
She would also be entitled to support from the Polish Consulate.
I'm sure they would be terribly helpful, as always lol
Coroner's verdicts canot be concealed. And of course all Death Certificates contain the cause of death.
So what was the cause of her death?
Do you think they weren't?
Until the British police says otherwise and explains why they are not suspects in this case, I will think they weren't questioned.
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
Then what was the illness that killed her? What was she suffering from?
The police should know the cause of death though and tell the girl's mother what was the cause of her daughter's death.
And if they don't know what caused her death then the investigation should be continued.
Those flatmates were sons of some rich or influential people, for example? 🤔
Not "healthy" if she's dead
Then what was the illness that killed her? What was she suffering from?
and the police don't "explain" causes of death.
The police should know the cause of death though and tell the girl's mother what was the cause of her daughter's death.
And if they don't know what caused her death then the investigation should be continued.
Perhaps there's a factor in this that both you and I are unaware of.
Those flatmates were sons of some rich or influential people, for example? 🤔
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
No, that's a real life comment.
Majority are though and you have no idea who the mother was dealing with and if she was "supported by Polish speaking police staff" at all.
Of course they do lol 🤦 Especially men in such cases.
Didn't you read what I wrote? The mother said that according to the coroner her daughter's heart "stopped beating". He didn't say why it stopped beating. If it was your child you wouldn't want to know WHY the heart of your 19-year-old daughter stopped beating, especially considering the suspicious circumstances?
A strange and pointless comment; also a spectacularly ignorant one.
No, that's a real life comment.
Don't assume that all police are male.
Majority are though and you have no idea who the mother was dealing with and if she was "supported by Polish speaking police staff" at all.
Nor do they make value judgements about people's lifestyles.
Of course they do lol 🤦 Especially men in such cases.
You tell me. It's on the Death Certificate which the deceased's next of kin is given when reporting the death
Didn't you read what I wrote? The mother said that according to the coroner her daughter's heart "stopped beating". He didn't say why it stopped beating. If it was your child you wouldn't want to know WHY the heart of your 19-year-old daughter stopped beating, especially considering the suspicious circumstances?
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
Yes, jon357, every male police officer is saying such things publicly and into the face of his boss, so he could get promptly fired, of course :))) On what kind of planet are you living? Isn't it called "La La Land" by any chance? ;D
Yes, the UK has it's own issues from what I've heard and read. That's why I have two other theories.
So how "many people of different professions" where involved in Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal? 🙄
I'm guessing that this is what the mother meant.
Judging by what the mother said the only information given was that Sandra's "heart stopped beating".
A serving British Police Officer? I suspect not; he, she or they would certainly be fired.
Yes, jon357, every male police officer is saying such things publicly and into the face of his boss, so he could get promptly fired, of course :))) On what kind of planet are you living? Isn't it called "La La Land" by any chance? ;D
The UK is not Poland
Yes, the UK has it's own issues from what I've heard and read. That's why I have two other theories.
For such a conspiracy to take place, it would need to be multi-agency and involve many people of different professions.
So how "many people of different professions" where involved in Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal? 🙄
That is on the Death Certificate.
I'm guessing that this is what the mother meant.
What cause of death is listed on the Death Certificate?
Judging by what the mother said the only information given was that Sandra's "heart stopped beating".
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
Link?
What? Bruises on her face? Moved by whom and when? What are you talking about? The neighbours said that she had the bruises already when they found her lying dead on the couch.
Because according to Polish articles the cause of death wasn't given. It wasn't stated why the heart stopped beating.
What heart problems? Wouldn't that be given as the cause of death then? "The heart stopped beating most probably due to..." and not just "the heart stopped beating". Also, her family said that her ECG tests were showing that everything was OK.
A quick look online shows a comment from the woman's mother.
Link?
She was informed by the Coroner that the bruises occurred while the body was being moved.
What? Bruises on her face? Moved by whom and when? What are you talking about? The neighbours said that she had the bruises already when they found her lying dead on the couch.
She does not however mention the cause of death which is on the Death Certificate.
Because according to Polish articles the cause of death wasn't given. It wasn't stated why the heart stopped beating.
Interestingly, the deceased woman had to have an ECG test twice yearly which suggests that she had heart problems.
What heart problems? Wouldn't that be given as the cause of death then? "The heart stopped beating most probably due to..." and not just "the heart stopped beating". Also, her family said that her ECG tests were showing that everything was OK.
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
How long did it take for the public to find out about it? The authorities failed those girls. The UK isn't perfect, jon357. There are no perfect countries and there are no perfect nations. Although you apparently think that the UK is and the British are perfect and everything in UK is perfect - I'm not sure why you're clinging to this belief so hard...
The detective said they weren't.
Stop it, jon357. Really - stop it. You don't have to go so low. And for what? For such a "non-story"?
She isn't reading comments on this forum, you messed up demagogue.
And I'm mainly repeating what was written in Polish articles. The British police is free to deny all of that, but I don't see them doing that.
Cobblers. And the fact that you know about the issue in that small town suggests
How long did it take for the public to find out about it? The authorities failed those girls. The UK isn't perfect, jon357. There are no perfect countries and there are no perfect nations. Although you apparently think that the UK is and the British are perfect and everything in UK is perfect - I'm not sure why you're clinging to this belief so hard...
Nor does she suggest that the flatmates Aleksander and Lukasz were not interviewed.
The detective said they weren't.
are insulting both the dead woman
Stop it, jon357. Really - stop it. You don't have to go so low. And for what? For such a "non-story"?
Perpetuating her grief by posting nasty conspiracy crap online shows you up badly.
She isn't reading comments on this forum, you messed up demagogue.
And I'm mainly repeating what was written in Polish articles. The British police is free to deny all of that, but I don't see them doing that.
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
So what is the cause of death?
And where is that link I asked for?
Yes. Those neighbours are the only witnesses. And the mother and the detective talked to them. The mother and the detective talked to Polish media. The representatives of the British police didn't agree to talk to Polish media, however, and so we have no other info.
lol
I'm only repeating myself, because you don't seem to be reading what I'm writing. You could also simply read the article I linked to and it doesn't look like you did.
I'm not perpetuating the mother's grief. Have you completely lost your mind from that British chauvinism? o_O
All Death Certificates contain the cause of death.
So what is the cause of death?
And where is that link I asked for?
So someone claims a neighbour said something about the state of a corpse that had been dead for days.
Yes. Those neighbours are the only witnesses. And the mother and the detective talked to them. The mother and the detective talked to Polish media. The representatives of the British police didn't agree to talk to Polish media, however, and so we have no other info.
Rather than trot out things you've read online
lol
I'm only repeating myself, because you don't seem to be reading what I'm writing. You could also simply read the article I linked to and it doesn't look like you did.
show a bit of decency and don't perpetuate a mother's grief.
I'm not perpetuating the mother's grief. Have you completely lost your mind from that British chauvinism? o_O
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
And how do you know that? lol And does she even know English?
Well, since the British media aren't writing about it and the British police press officer won't open his mouth to the Polish media that's the only way to go for now.
:D
Well, I'm not a telepath and I don't know what they "think" lol
And the mother said that it didn't state why her daughter's heart stopped beating. So no wonder she "moved heaven and earth" to try and find out what happened.
She certainly reads anything she can find about it online you argumentative stirrer.
And how do you know that? lol And does she even know English?
Probably not the best way to go.
Well, since the British media aren't writing about it and the British police press officer won't open his mouth to the Polish media that's the only way to go for now.
It's what the police and Coroner think that counts.
:D
Well, I'm not a telepath and I don't know what they "think" lol
The next of kin has a copy.
And the mother said that it didn't state why her daughter's heart stopped beating. So no wonder she "moved heaven and earth" to try and find out what happened.
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
What is so "offensive" about it? And which part is "rubbish"?
Of course not.
How do you know that? You don't. I don't know that either.
Yes, I'd say a police investigation is a police matter :D
I'm reading your depressing hectoring and it's offensive rubbish.
What is so "offensive" about it? And which part is "rubbish"?
And yes, you are perpetuating her grief by writing crap online.
Of course not.
The matter has been investigated fully.
How do you know that? You don't. I don't know that either.
You assume it's a police matter.
Yes, I'd say a police investigation is a police matter :D
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
The fact that it was closed doesn't mean that questions shouldn't be asked whether it was done right.
So what is the cause of Sandra's death?
Jon357, it was you who commented on my post first. You didn't have to do that and you didn't have to continue this either.
You're making this girl's death all about your British pride which I find pretty sickening. You don't care about this girl and the truth - you just care about defending your countrymen. You don't even consider the possibility that something went wrong in that investigation.
And all I did was asking a question: "A shocking case of neglect by the London police?" It wasn't a statement - it was a question, because, obviously, I don't know what really happened. But I'd like to know and I hope that Sandra's family will get to know the truth about her death - whatever that truth may be.
Are you? 🤔
There isn't a police investigation though, is there.
The fact that it was closed doesn't mean that questions shouldn't be asked whether it was done right.
As you've been told several times already, all Death Certificates contain the cause of death.
So what is the cause of Sandra's death?
Calm down and stop arguing for the sake of it. It makes you look foolish and given that this is about someone who died, disrespectful too.
Jon357, it was you who commented on my post first. You didn't have to do that and you didn't have to continue this either.
You're making this girl's death all about your British pride which I find pretty sickening. You don't care about this girl and the truth - you just care about defending your countrymen. You don't even consider the possibility that something went wrong in that investigation.
And all I did was asking a question: "A shocking case of neglect by the London police?" It wasn't a statement - it was a question, because, obviously, I don't know what really happened. But I'd like to know and I hope that Sandra's family will get to know the truth about her death - whatever that truth may be.
Are you single by any chance?
Are you? 🤔
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
Her mother already said that the cause of death wasn't given. You think she's lying?
From many of your comments on this forum.
If what the mother and the detective are saying is true then it defenitely looks like a shocking case of neglect on the part of the police and probably the coroner too.
Do you think the mother and the detective are lying to Polish media?
Firstly, you don't know whether she's reading anything, whether she's reading this forum (highly unlikely) or even if she knows English. So stop lying.
Secondly, I'm only repeating what she said herself, so stop using a grieving mother in your argument against me, because it's just low and dishonest.
If you're so interested, why not ask her next of kin if she'll let you see it?
Her mother already said that the cause of death wasn't given. You think she's lying?
Hard to know where you pull that gem from.
From many of your comments on this forum.
The matter is neither "shocking" nor "neglect"
If what the mother and the detective are saying is true then it defenitely looks like a shocking case of neglect on the part of the police and probably the coroner too.
Do you think the mother and the detective are lying to Polish media?
I suggest we don't continue with this conversation since Ewa Nguyen, the deceased's mother does read things online
Firstly, you don't know whether she's reading anything, whether she's reading this forum (highly unlikely) or even if she knows English. So stop lying.
Secondly, I'm only repeating what she said herself, so stop using a grieving mother in your argument against me, because it's just low and dishonest.
Paulina
9 May 2024
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [236]
Unless they didn't manage to determine the cause of death. "Heart stopping to beat" isn't a cause of death. The heart always stops to beat when people die. So - do you think the mother is lying?
I wouldn't be surprised if you were making this up, considering what bullsh1t you're writing.
Yes, it is a serious matter - that's why I wrote about it. And you don't know if she died of natural causes. You just choose to believe that the British police did a good job. I, however, choose to believe the mother and the detective, until what they are saying will be somehow disproven.
Exactly.
All Death Certificates contain the cause of death.
Unless they didn't manage to determine the cause of death. "Heart stopping to beat" isn't a cause of death. The heart always stops to beat when people die. So - do you think the mother is lying?
Yes, she does read about it online, according to things elsewhere on the internet. Did you think I made that up?
I wouldn't be surprised if you were making this up, considering what bullsh1t you're writing.
This is a serious matter involving a woman who died of natural causes
Yes, it is a serious matter - that's why I wrote about it. And you don't know if she died of natural causes. You just choose to believe that the British police did a good job. I, however, choose to believe the mother and the detective, until what they are saying will be somehow disproven.
If you have information contradicting the mother's statements let us know and we may agree with you. But it must be something besides 'oh, our police wouldn't '
Exactly.
Paulina
9 May 2024
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So do you claim the mother is lying?
So are you. As Lenka put it, your only argument is that "oh, our police wouldn't". 🙄
No, I'm only responding to your posts lol You commented on my post first, remember? So why do you keep doing that? :)
That's what you're doing. Your blind defense of the British police is disrespectful towards Sandra and her family, undignified, hysterical and perpetuating the mother's misery.
Which is why it certainly isn't the cause given on the certificate. They are generally very detailed.
So do you claim the mother is lying?
however you are certainly writing without any context at all about the way things work there
So are you. As Lenka put it, your only argument is that "oh, our police wouldn't". 🙄
you are certainly trying to argue for the sake of it.
No, I'm only responding to your posts lol You commented on my post first, remember? So why do you keep doing that? :)
disrespectful, undignified, hysterical and perpetuating misery.
That's what you're doing. Your blind defense of the British police is disrespectful towards Sandra and her family, undignified, hysterical and perpetuating the mother's misery.
Paulina
9 May 2024
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And I'm telling you yet another time that the mother says that the cause of death, i.e. why Sandra's heart stopped beating wasn't given. Do you understand?
So, I'm asking you again - do you think the mother is lying?
How about you follow your own advice.
I am doing no such thing. You commented on my post first and you can stop anytime, so stop being a baby.
That's not the only problem with this case though - judging by the articles I've read.
This is now the seventh time it's been explained to you that Death Certificates contain the cause of death.
And I'm telling you yet another time that the mother says that the cause of death, i.e. why Sandra's heart stopped beating wasn't given. Do you understand?
So, I'm asking you again - do you think the mother is lying?
Try to show some dignity.
How about you follow your own advice.
You are making a public exhibition of yourself
I am doing no such thing. You commented on my post first and you can stop anytime, so stop being a baby.
Sudden death from cardiac arrest is young people is a well known condition.
That's not the only problem with this case though - judging by the articles I've read.
Paulina
9 May 2024
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It was her friend who said that she had no boyfriend at that time, not her mother. And anyway, this should be investigated whether she had a boyfriend or not.
It may also be that the British police did a bad job.
Yes:
"Koroner w raporcie napisał, że serce Sandry po prostu przestało bić - nie stwierdził dlaczego."
Translation:
"The coroner wrote in his report that Sandra's heart simply stopped beating - he didn't determine why".
Drop what? You started it and you can stop it if you wish.
As to semen on her clothes and her not having a boyfriend.
It was her friend who said that she had no boyfriend at that time, not her mother. And anyway, this should be investigated whether she had a boyfriend or not.
It may simply be that the poor mother can't accept that her lovely, young, apparently healthy daughter died suddenly.
It may also be that the British police did a bad job.
Has she claimed that the Death Certificate doesn't give an exact cause of death?
Yes:
"Koroner w raporcie napisał, że serce Sandry po prostu przestało bić - nie stwierdził dlaczego."
Translation:
"The coroner wrote in his report that Sandra's heart simply stopped beating - he didn't determine why".
Paulina, you really should drop this.
Drop what? You started it and you can stop it if you wish.
Paulina
9 May 2024
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Sorry, I meant that this evidence should be investigated no matter if she had a boyfriend or not.
And anyway, this should be investigated whether she had a boyfriend or not.
Sorry, I meant that this evidence should be investigated no matter if she had a boyfriend or not.
Paulina
9 May 2024
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The whole quote from Polsat News:
polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2024-05-06/interwencja-smierc-19-latki-w-londynie-polska-prokuratura-reaguje
"Coroner wrote in his report that Sandra's heart simply stopped beating - he didn't determine why.
- This is impossible. She danced for many years and every six months she had to do exercise ECG. Everything was OK, the heart was healthy and she could continue to exercise. This is a scandal in the British police, I couldn't imagine how you could do nothing in such a case. One flatmate said that the other flatmate also left the flat on December 17. But one of the neighbours saw that boy on December 20 using the computer. Here, in this flat - Ewa assesses."
(According to coroner's report Sandra died on December 17-18 and her body was found on December 23).
The whole quote from Polsat News:
polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2024-05-06/interwencja-smierc-19-latki-w-londynie-polska-prokuratura-reaguje
"Coroner wrote in his report that Sandra's heart simply stopped beating - he didn't determine why.
- This is impossible. She danced for many years and every six months she had to do exercise ECG. Everything was OK, the heart was healthy and she could continue to exercise. This is a scandal in the British police, I couldn't imagine how you could do nothing in such a case. One flatmate said that the other flatmate also left the flat on December 17. But one of the neighbours saw that boy on December 20 using the computer. Here, in this flat - Ewa assesses."
(According to coroner's report Sandra died on December 17-18 and her body was found on December 23).
Paulina
9 May 2024
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But you and jon357 can jump to the conclusion about the mother?
As I already wrote it's not the only problem with this case, to put it mildly. Besides, the girl could get a heart attack during a rape. I remember a case of a woman who suffered a stroke during a gang rape (she survived).
Of course. I just wrote a post about what I read in press articles.
I didn't start this, jon357 did and you continue. I only shared the news.
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.
But you and jon357 can jump to the conclusion about the mother?
Sadly Paulina, ECGs don't detect all heart problems.
As I already wrote it's not the only problem with this case, to put it mildly. Besides, the girl could get a heart attack during a rape. I remember a case of a woman who suffered a stroke during a gang rape (she survived).
It's impossible to try a case on a forum
Of course. I just wrote a post about what I read in press articles.
Just let it go and wait for the Polish prosecutor's opinion.
I didn't start this, jon357 did and you continue. I only shared the news.