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R&B is the root of rock and roll, that's fantastic, only Jerry Lee Lewis would know shyse about blues and Little Richard the same = zero, blues represents struggle with white man's oppression and racism of African people and we Polish can relate to blues more than Jerry Lee Jewish or commercial product Little Richard can. In any case, it has nothing to do with what I have written, I was referring to rock and roll not its roots, rock and roll in its pure form came from Britain and in Ireland became the top sound with Irish climbing the top of the rock and roll ladder.

I forgot about something, Irish and British (yes, Welsh and Scottish and whatever the rest) eat the same bad food, cook the same bad food, and even hunt for animals for the same reasons (yeah, it's legal for Irish and British to kill animals for sport) and then spoil the hunted meat (if they bother eating it) with their bad Anglo-Celtic cooking (you heard of Anglo-Celts right?).

As for Irish language it is very rare, most Irish do no know a word of it, funny how U2 sing in English, has Bono ever uttered one single Irish word in public? You and Smurf are not the best examples of Irish lingo, not to mention, who is here to check the extent of your knowledge anyway? You know why nobody can check your proficiency? It's because even Irish on PF do not know Irish he he.

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Well, you proved me wrong but not entirely, Irish may be your native language but how many Irish know it? I think not many know it enough to communicate in it. It is a neglected part of Irish culture. However, I am impressed by your Irish language skills, I translated some of it through internet translator (not very accurate system) and it seems you know a bit of it and I am inclined to believe you know much more of it. Good stuff there.

Irish beef or meat better than Polish meat??? I do not think any Irish meat industry can compete with Polish one.

I agree with you for the first time in the most part regarding your comments about what has become of Polish culture and that it is a shame and shame on Polish people for not noticing it enough. It is increasingly becoming Macdonalds culture. However, you are not entirely correct, a lot of people are familiar with folk songs, folk culture survives in Poland somehow (it is still holding on but little is done by too few people to make it more widespread and prominent) but it is not visible enough and now days seems like it's not there anymore. Even Irish people cultivate their old traditions better than we do, what a shame but true, not only we have almost wiped out the remnants of Slavic (Slavic pagan being the origin) culture away but whatever we produced after is also disappearing fast, just like Christian traditions are being wiped out. So you are for the most part absolutely correct!


Lenka I am shocked!! You are defending Poland so fiercely for the first time ever, I am starting to like you again (I always liked you), you are confusing me, your patriotism is out of balance but I am very happy that you are able to stand up for Poland so strongly. Sadly, I can not really agree with you, as usual your insight is just lacking insight, Atch can see it better. The fact that Irish look after their ancient culture better than us is not even (for the most part) due to their high western ego but their pride and stronger ties with their traditions. We are in comparison the goose, the goose that just follows what is new because we associate our own with poverty and therefore unworthy, how misleading, we throw our traditions away to be more western (because it's better, because the west is richer - that's how we think - how shallow) while some westerners cultivate their old cultures. It is us, Polish who are the idiots, take a good look around. Also, we are too lazy now days to take care of our traditions. We constantly are being told how pagan or Slavic traditions are out of date and too eastern or Catholics tell us how barbaric and silly these are, and then we even reject these days our Catholic traditions, I wonder what will there be in the end left for us. Our Polish culture now compared to that of even 15 , 10 or dare say 5 years ago differs and is getting worse at ever faster rate.

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Compared to African American versions of it. What originated in USA is not what has been associated with rock and roll for most of its history. Its sound has undergone a profound change with an introduction of a guitar. We can either say that the pure form of rock and roll stayed in the 50s and that a pseudo version of it is known internationally today or we can say that what was before was not rock and roll and that its pure form emerged later out of African American gospel music having been revised and polished in Britain, for when I hear American, so called, rock and roll made by Caucasians I hear mess and scream but when I hear British rock I hear a distinct sound of guitar, piano etc. Compare Marylin Manson with Oasis, both bands are regarded as rock and roll sounding ones, come on, really? While I prefer the music of Marylin Manson I think the latter one is rock and roll, whereas, the former is ...whatever music.

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You want to teach Paulina a lesson regarding her views (distorted or not) on American politics then why don't you go on American forum, for this is a Polish forum, get the idea yet?

Hilary Clinton is a dykhead and works most likely for the Zionists but Polish people do not have the responsibility to know that so take it easy here with lesson teaching. It would also serve you right to learn more about Polish politics since you are on PF instead of rumbling about American political scene.

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Correct! Why this late? Why didn't you then back me up when I was defending Poland from those Western vultures so many times here? You actually joined them. Nobody here stood up for Polish culture as much as I have, where were you? You are an uptight, ignorant individual all around who should be the last person to talk about Poland here or patriotism, you don't know anything about it, you are only good at petty words, spitting them out century after the event has already happened. Your comment above is spot on but funny thing is when I was making comments like that I was slammed by rubbish like you.


I have never heard anything about Irish food or meat being any good, that does not mean that it can not be good or very good but nothing about it ever has been mentioned anywhere. I have tasted Irish food and it was similar to English food. Maybe Irish meat is good or better than Polish meat but I would be surprised if this was so. However, Polish deli is superb, and I know for a fact, that the meat itself is premium, at least in most cases. The taste of Polish meat products is outstanding and if we were more proficient in business we would be selling all over the world our meat products like hot cakes, but we are not business oriented in the slightest. Polish food is so versatile and delicious that I am shocked that we have not made anything out of it to improve our economy.


Correct! However, you got it wrong about us not having anything to do with Hallowe'en, we have Dziady which is almost identical to Hallowe'en, only we don't celebrate Dziady anymore. We are being complete, total idiots, we pushed it into the corner pretending it doesn't exist because it is so evil to talk about pagan festivals. Yet, we keep in a somewhat distorted form imposed by Catholic Church whereby we celebrate the Day of All Saints (Wszystkich Swietych) when we go to a cemetery and visit the graves of our ancestors. During communism it was called more appropriately: "The Day of the Dead" but even then we did not celebrate Dziady.

I do not know if there is another nation in this world which is aware of having had a festival like Dziady, keeps ignoring it, yet relives it in a distorted manner through Catholic tradition and then celebrates almost the same pagan tradition in the form of borrowed festival like Hallowe'en just because it is celebrated widely in USA. What is wrong with Polish culture????? Lenka, what do you say about that one?


I had no idea Irish language was like that, looks like a very interesting language, very different from English (visually, at least). Why it is not more widespread in public and/or spoken instead of English then?

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I didn't know Jews designed our cities, what the hell? Are you sure? What would they know about designing European cities? Have you seen Israel? It is not exactly a work of art. I know, however, that Italians definitely designed our country's urban dwellings for most of our ancient history but our kings consulted with our local talent also, from time to time. Other major designers were the Dutch, the played a part in designs in the west and north of Poland. I haven't heard anything about Germans or Jews.


Rediscovered? You are not entirely correct. In communism our culture thrived but after WWII came a period of darkness and Russians came to be associated with the worst kind because the terror endured far longer than the War itself but during later decades things improved, our educational system became one of the best (with no exaggeration) in Europe and People were culturally adept. This was a great period, people had many different aspirations unlike today: money. People were knowledgeable, conversed a lot, partied a lot and of course complained about communism all the time. The culture was there and even Catholic Church enjoyed due freedom and respect. Compare this to today's culture, I do not see people have fun on Smigus Dyngus, people speculate whether to buy each other gifts for Christmas, church attendance is lower than ever, there are no public festivals where we could see folk art in action, we also don't have much of the old school tradition of fortune telling form a key, all this and much, much more was present in communist times, so you have it backwards: it is now that we are witnessing our cultural decline.


Not entirely, both Irish and Slavic people were slaves at considerable periods of their nations' histories.


Yes, that is what I think too, but why are we like that?! It is pathetic that our countryside carries our culture and our middle class is following something else.


I understand. However, I think if a language is still alive it can be reintroduced into the mainstream, it is not quite lost, I think it is convenient for some authorities to keep English language where it is in Ireland.


Some creatures are never ladies and a woman to me is a lady, so those females who don't behave like women do not belong in a world of women or ladies, examples include Rozumiemnic who swears her head off at an instant or Paulina who is unstable, bitter, low and nasty (I now have to post this fragment to her and the other to Rozumiemnic).


I know that, only stupid Poland does the idiotic thing.Catholic Church in Poland would gain a lot if it loosened up a little when it comes to accepting our Slavic pagan heritage, Dziady is a very old tradition, it is rooted in our Slavic foundations. I think that if in Ireland - a stronghold for Catholic religion - a pagan tradition can coexist with such notoriety alongside Christian traditional framework then in Poland it can do as well.

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Visually Polonez appears as the slowest.


He he he, that's funny, grandpa Ziemow tricked you but he wasn't even trying (it wouldn't be the first time he tricked a woman - viagra does wonders!), I have to apologise to Lenka, what a goose. The accidental trick that's now a joke is much better than your "Hello Sassexgay!" when I actually laughed at you. You now made me laugh three times, other time was when you made fun of me and it worked for the first time, it was actually funny!


Yeah, I wrote in general, for those few once every few years for me seem like nothing. In some even bigger cities there is almost nothing of a sort happening. In contrast in Pomeranian region there is something happening on regular basis.


Yes, that's right, schools and homes are where children learn and then as adults pass it on but at the moment it looks bad. Polish have tendency to perfectionism? It's a mixture of chaos with some perfectionism usually. The problem lies somewhere else, it is something of a phenomenon.

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No, I like the Gay one more but Citizen Troll is a good one too, I leave you the choice. I could be the most famous Polish gay from Sussex.


? What can't I understand? Sadly, you are thinking in your terms, I found it funny how you got fooled, I had a laugh, that is all, nothing more, nothing less to it, relax a bit. You think that I assume some dissonance is taking place, that's your problem and your bad judgement of character, but this is what came across a lot in western countries, you think in negative terms of others, you must be like that too or people who surround you.


You must give me some evidence of Polish perfectionism because we are far from being perfectionists. However, yeah, we seem neurotic to most westerners, it's just the way it is. Also, I think you may have gone to some folk music concert and saw Polish people stand there and just watch the dance, well, what else are we suppose to do? We don't jump up and down at concerts like Americans do, we listen to the music, to the words, we watch the spectacle, the movements and we absorb it all; it is more meaningful that way. Music or dance is not just a celebration of joy, it may also be a sexual encounter (a form of courting between men and women like Polonez is) like rock and roll which was meant to carry a sexual subtext. It may also be a reminiscence of past, sad or cruel events, nothing to do with joy or celebration.


No, you are the brilliant one, the way you sweep women off their computer desk chairs is uncanny.

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Why are you not surprised that I prefer Marilyn Manson music over Oasis? Oasis are a bit boring, Manson plays heavier, more versatile music and has more interesting voice than either of the Gallagher brothers. Was Churchill trying to be funny there or was it you? I ask because you are a funny girl.


Kujawiak


To his gay one, he dressed like a girl but since I'm gay now I may do the same, do you have those hot leather skirts that are the new thing? I want to know if they feel the same as my biker shorts (I seriously, do have them). Polonez is a sexual dance and we really do not need Oscar Wild to tell us that, so I do not see your point, what point are you making Atcha? You are trying hard to make a point, I like it.


You would have time if I was Ziemo, you always explain to him his shortcomings but his mind is just like a brick wall that can not be penetrated - Oscar Wilde (while he was in bed and thinking about the Winston Churchill's head)