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citizen67   
7 Feb 2013
History / "Westerner's" most ridiculous beliefs about the time of communism in Poland [73]

Not Poland, but Yugoslavia 1983.

I was 19 had been living on a kibbutz in Israel, and was traveling with my Swedish friend to Sweden, we wer hitch-hiking our way there. We got to Greece, managed to struggle up to the Yugoslavic Border, and we was told not to try to hitch-hike in Yugoslavia it was hopeless, but try and get a lift right the way through to Austria/Germany. We managed to do that.

The first thing we saw when the light came up was Peasant women working in a muddy hilly field next to the "Motor-way" we wer amazed, we wer shocked I thought Peasants was something of the Past, it was something that had died out in Britain hundreds of years ago. We saw these elderly women in their head scarves working by hand on this muddy hill. We saw men walking their bulls by the side of the "Motor-way" they wer feeding their cows on the roadside weeds, the motor-way, which seemed to be made of concrete, had only two lanes.

We had the Police stopping us every few miles, the Police looked like they wer like something out of "Chips", shiny boots, sunglasses, flash motor bikes, the lot! they would radio ahead to tell the next cop, we wer coming, and each time a bribe was handed over to the cop in the Germans driver's passport. The cops looked like they wer out of "Chips", complete replica, but the roads looked like they wer made out of concrete! ?:o.

We needed to get some petrol, we looked for petrol stations, we found some, the petrol stations wer covered in beautiful flags, a beautiful display of flags outside each petrol station, I think it was May Day or something, yet each Petrol-Station had no petrol in it, beautiful flags, but no petrol! they didn't hav staff manning them half the time, which we found out when looking a toilet.

we saw soldiers trying to hitch-hike, they looked they wer from the Second World War, I had never seen that before, not even my Grand Dad looked like that.

We finally arrived in Belgrade, the first thing we saw was a a sloping concrete wall covered in a Propaganda Muriel depicting heroic workers or something, it was just like I imagined the Soviet Union was like, but in miniature. we got something to eat, lined up in some canteen, it was bleak wet, raining, every body was shuffle-ling around, it was just how Communist countries wer depicted in Western films. Every where we went we saw unfinished buildings, homes, we wer told if the buildings wer unfinished that the owners didn't hav to pay Tax on them, so they didn't finish the top floor.

Well, finally we got to the Austrian border, the alphabet had changed when they stamped our Passports, and we wer back in the ...? eh,?Our World, /,the modern World, anyway it was familiar.

I imagin that has all changed now, things hav improved vastly now that Communism is Dead, that was 45-72 Years wasted!. It was one of the happiest days in my life when the Berlin Wall fell.
citizen67   
7 Feb 2013
History / "Westerner's" most ridiculous beliefs about the time of communism in Poland [73]

Another experience i remember on the same trip as it goes. When we got to Germany, we stayed with a friend of my friend's, whilst there we watched some Television, and one of the Channels was, it turned out, the official TV channel of East Germany and they had an English language lesson on, it was hilarious.

First of all it was in Black & White, next the girl dressed like something out of an English children's book, and then we introduced to the English family they wer staying with, cue, Black & White mug shot of a Woman with a miserable face with her mouth down turned, the husband the same, we were rolling around the floor by now.

Next, the East German girl and Boy learnt some important English words in every day use, like "Proletariat", and "Working-class", and then they wer off for an adventurous and interesting day in London: they went to visit the Grave of Karl Marx. Wow. They laid some flowers at his grave and that was all we watched, it might hav finished there, I don't remember.

Movies and series with anti-Communism

and of course "progressive" was code for Socialism. Yes?
citizen67   
8 Feb 2013
History / "Westerner's" most ridiculous beliefs about the time of communism in Poland [73]

I remember we used to feel sorry for the people in Eastern Europe, feel deeply worried about them and their suffering under their stupid moronic oppressiv Governments, we used to feel a bond with them, a sympathy, a feeling I think has completely disappeared now and been replace by, at least, disappointment.

what?! So now communist and socialist it's the same!? Sure, they both share some ideals like equality of rights, or try to treat the rich and the poor equality, but fear or absence of justice in socialism!?

of which all of these wer achieved under Communism and Socialism!
citizen67   
8 Feb 2013
History / "Westerner's" most ridiculous beliefs about the time of communism in Poland [73]

How much damage do people of eastern Europe feel those 45 years of Communism did to their countries/Eastern Europe? Where do you feel your countries would be if, by some miracle, Stalin hadn't stitched you up, and imposed his Imperial Russian rule and communism on you?
citizen67   
9 Feb 2013
History / Polish military uniforms [49]

They certianly not one of the Founding Fathers of England, no more than Stalin was a Founding Father of Poland.
citizen67   
9 Feb 2013
History / Polish military uniforms [49]

They were a invading French-speaking force, in the end it was the English culture they won out, same as you with your various invaders.
citizen67   
10 Feb 2013
History / Polish military uniforms [49]

Then, who do you think the Normans wer?

E.g., what do you know about Domesday Book?

The Dooms day Book was inventory, a summary of what they had conquered, it wasn't a founding document with any founding principles.
citizen67   
10 Feb 2013
History / Polish military uniforms [49]

England was already a country before the Normans invaded. Our names for towns, cities and place names are Anglo-saxon in origin Our county system is Anglo-Saxon, London was our capital, and so forth.

What country do you come from?
citizen67   
10 Feb 2013
History / Polish military uniforms [49]

I am aware of that. We hav soldiers that do ceremonial duties Marching, Passing out Ceremonies, Trooping the Colour, March Bys, and I assume that the rifles are not loaded and old fashion rifles would look better.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

Don't you think that you been indoctrinated by the Communists? That they done a right number on you? You are just repeating their propaganda and calling it history.

How was Churchill made into a Hate figure in Poland and Stalin not?
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

Churchill and Roosevelt didn't fĂșck over Poland, Stalin did.

But you know, most people also realise that it happened in 1945, so it's along time ago and for the most part, people are over it.People like you need to get over the past. (^_^)

Seeing as it is an obsession with every Pole, which they drag up all the time even though it is inaccurate, I think it is Poles that "need to get over it".

How did Churchill and Roosevelt "FĂșck over Poland"?
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

See, that's communist non-sense trying to deflect hate/attention from themselves! trying to get you hate someone else, blame someone else for your problems, not them.

You are just repeating rubbish you was taught at school, history lessons in Communist countries wer more about propaganda, than facts, did you that North Koreans are taught that America started the Korean War and not their Great "Dear Leader"?
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

Are you a man or woman?

Ah yea, sure it's obvious the Koreans started the war, they were the ones who invaded 'Merika and sure the Yanks were just out for revenge, Obvious. Anyone who has ever read into the Korean war knows that South Korea began military actions, the North retaliated and then the Yanks barged in

a 2 second search disproves that:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

"Merika has been at war for 209 years of it's 235 years of it existence, that says quite a lot about them as a country.

Most countries hav been at War for most of their History.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

I fail to see what my gender has got to do with anything.

You sound like a stroppy teenage girl.

Ah yes, Wikipedia, that bastion of truth.

Wikipedia is Great!! Much better as a source of information than any communist rag.

For example, Switzerland, Ireland, Panama, Mexico, Japan, Malta, Ukraine, Laos, Sweden.

Eh? most of those countries hav had Wars.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

America is a fantastic country and has done far more for the World than Russia ever.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

America is a really great country, much better than Poland.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

Poland wasn't "sold" to Stalin, Stalin just took it. He was all about expanding his Empire.

hope there are no Churchill Streets here.

Churchill seems to be blamed for everything, and he certainly didn't "sell" Poland to Stalin (what did he get in return?), or do any dirty tricks, he hated Communism and the Soviet Union. There should be streets named after Churchill in Poland.

we came to within 6 days of losing the War, it is only because the Luftwaffe changed tactics and bomb our cities rather than our RAF bases, that saved Britain. otherwise we would all be ruled either by Communist Russia or the Nazis.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

I prefer Poland but you can think what you choose.

Do you wear jeans, hav you ever eaten a Hot Dog, hav you ever played Basketball, do you like listening to R'n'B, hip-Hop, Funk Jazz, Rock, Rock'n'Roll, or Soul, worn a Bikini? you do a lot of American things.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

Certainly, the knowledge of your country`s history and its historical leaders` actions, let alone the history of Poland, is your very conspicuous Achilles` heel. Unfortunately, I don`t have time to educate you.

Really? please try.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

You haven't told me anything, just made the same accusations.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

Greece, for example.

? We didn't "get" Greece.?

There was only one crook at Yalta and that was Stalin.
citizen67   
11 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

Yes, but it was him who made a pact with Lucifer to defeat Satan. Or vice versa. :):):):)

Pact with Stalin? What Pact? Stalin was Hitler's biggest Allie until Hitler attacked the "Soviet Union", they had a Pact, and it was to divide Poland and the rest of Europe between them. Hitler gave half of Poland to Stalin.
citizen67   
12 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

Yes, but later Churchill replaced Hitler and became Stalin`s greatest ally. How simple. :):):)

That's stupid, Churchill never became Stalin's greatest ally, Churchill never had a Pact with Stalin, Stalin was just a partner-of-convenience, our allies wer the USA and other people from conquered nations willing to fight, our island was a unsinkable aircraft carrier and base.
citizen67   
12 Feb 2013
History / Churchill and Poland [120]

Churchill sold out Poland,

How?

so all you hav is myths, legends and whispers.

anyway from the hated wikipedia;

"At the time, the Red Army had occupied and held much of Eastern Europe with a military three times greater than Allied forces in the West.."

here's the link, it takes about 2 minutes to read.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference

"Churchill alone pushed for free elections in Poland.[9] The British leader pointed out that the U.K. "could never be content with any solution that did not leave Poland a free and independent state". Stalin pledged to permit free elections in Poland, but forestalled ever honoring his promise."