Bratwurst Boy
18 Aug 2019
Bratwurst Boy
18 Aug 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]
Well...you can say I have been socialized during the last decade of the GDR....during that time I developed my political consciousness in East-Berlin with the consequence to made a dash out of there the moment I could (with 18 years old)...I observed the break down of the wall a short time later in West-Berlin...watching the Trabis coming down the Ku-Damm....
I remember alot, it was probably the most memorable time of my life! :)
I wonder how old are you and what do you personally remember about life in GDR?
Well...you can say I have been socialized during the last decade of the GDR....during that time I developed my political consciousness in East-Berlin with the consequence to made a dash out of there the moment I could (with 18 years old)...I observed the break down of the wall a short time later in West-Berlin...watching the Trabis coming down the Ku-Damm....
I remember alot, it was probably the most memorable time of my life! :)
Bratwurst Boy
17 Aug 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]
I REALLY REALLY REALLY think what you are calling socialism in the US has not much if at all to do with the socialism/communism of the european past. Demanding a social security plan for all is NOT communism! :)
Another point is that it is mainly only strong in those regions where they can still nurture such idealism because they never experienced the dreary reality of it. Like in West Germany too...
It wouldn't be communism...because the robots would still belong to a handfull of people....but the now unemployed plebs has to be fed somehow or else they will be burn the robots and hang their owners.
So the consequence could truly be a kind of free money for all...dunno...*shrugs*
Why do you think socialism is now as popular in the US
I REALLY REALLY REALLY think what you are calling socialism in the US has not much if at all to do with the socialism/communism of the european past. Demanding a social security plan for all is NOT communism! :)
Another point is that it is mainly only strong in those regions where they can still nurture such idealism because they never experienced the dreary reality of it. Like in West Germany too...
Communism is inevitable when robots are the only ones employed.
It wouldn't be communism...because the robots would still belong to a handfull of people....but the now unemployed plebs has to be fed somehow or else they will be burn the robots and hang their owners.
So the consequence could truly be a kind of free money for all...dunno...*shrugs*
Bratwurst Boy
17 Aug 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]
Heh:) That's a good one! :)
But it's also misleading...that WAS the communists best shot...communism just isn't in human nature and will always end up twisted and perverted...
Better accept that as a fact and not try it again!
Heh:) That's a good one! :)
But it's also misleading...that WAS the communists best shot...communism just isn't in human nature and will always end up twisted and perverted...
Better accept that as a fact and not try it again!
Bratwurst Boy
17 Aug 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]
Well..that would mean that a bourgeois elite had developed already right under the communists nose....
Or more probable, that these two had been become interchangable. And that the patience has just worn thin with trotting out these old ideological mantras whereas the people only want to enjoy what the West offered, without being forced to play the party game...
The ideal of communism was officially dead, renounced even by its nominal followers!
I wonder where China is on this way right now...how long it will take there till communists become openly, officially and totally unashamed capitalists! :)
Well..that would mean that a bourgeois elite had developed already right under the communists nose....
Or more probable, that these two had been become interchangable. And that the patience has just worn thin with trotting out these old ideological mantras whereas the people only want to enjoy what the West offered, without being forced to play the party game...
The ideal of communism was officially dead, renounced even by its nominal followers!
I wonder where China is on this way right now...how long it will take there till communists become openly, officially and totally unashamed capitalists! :)
Bratwurst Boy
17 Aug 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]
Well, doing NOTHING to help the assorted Vasalles to subdue their people was surely not part of the system, that had been done before regularly. This "brotherly help" was an important component of the whole system...
To denounce that was enough to destroy the socialist empire and to free the people. The jail door without an armed jailer behind, able and willing to shoot, is not much of a hindrance anymore...so, THANK YOU! :)
Which elite should that have been? The party sycophants? As you say, they got already what they wanted...
There are still disputes whether Gorbachev did something against the system.
Well, doing NOTHING to help the assorted Vasalles to subdue their people was surely not part of the system, that had been done before regularly. This "brotherly help" was an important component of the whole system...
To denounce that was enough to destroy the socialist empire and to free the people. The jail door without an armed jailer behind, able and willing to shoot, is not much of a hindrance anymore...so, THANK YOU! :)
Or fulfilled dream of elite majority about such legalization.
Which elite should that have been? The party sycophants? As you say, they got already what they wanted...
Bratwurst Boy
17 Aug 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]
Most East-Germans know very well how much they have to thank Gorbatchov for...but in the same breath to pay your respect to Honecker and his ilk for what they didn't do is just wrong. They weren't reformer, they would had killed the protesters if they had could. BIG DIFFERENCE!
Gorbatschov was a historical stroke of luck, totally atypical for the system...the rest of the communist jailers still were the usual pestilence.
Well...the people had to wait for a Gorbatchow many years...in the meantime suffering either bloodthirsty madmen or bumbling idiots...without any means to remove them.
They lost the Cold War against western democracies for a reason! :)
Most East-Germans know very well how much they have to thank Gorbatchov for...but in the same breath to pay your respect to Honecker and his ilk for what they didn't do is just wrong. They weren't reformer, they would had killed the protesters if they had could. BIG DIFFERENCE!
Gorbatschov was a historical stroke of luck, totally atypical for the system...the rest of the communist jailers still were the usual pestilence.
Even communists were capable of seeing the light. The Western "democracies" are not.
Well...the people had to wait for a Gorbatchow many years...in the meantime suffering either bloodthirsty madmen or bumbling idiots...without any means to remove them.
They lost the Cold War against western democracies for a reason! :)
Bratwurst Boy
17 Aug 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]
That's not quite correct!
The old men brigade in East-Berlin was fully willing to do it like the Chinese...to bring out the military to subdue their own people...they had no qualms whatsoever....it's just for that they NEEDED the nod plus military/logistical support from Moscow and it's troops in the GDR (as they have done 1953 and 1968) but this time Gorbatchov was smarter than that. During his last visit during the (as we now know) the last days of the GDR he said "Nyet" to any kind of further support ....and that was the end of it!
If it had been only Honeckers and Mielkes decision you would probably read today about "the massacre on the Alexanderplatz"....
.....Even Honecker voted to remove himself from his position as the secretary of the party. No bullets, no blood, no Berlin wall
That's not quite correct!
The old men brigade in East-Berlin was fully willing to do it like the Chinese...to bring out the military to subdue their own people...they had no qualms whatsoever....it's just for that they NEEDED the nod plus military/logistical support from Moscow and it's troops in the GDR (as they have done 1953 and 1968) but this time Gorbatchov was smarter than that. During his last visit during the (as we now know) the last days of the GDR he said "Nyet" to any kind of further support ....and that was the end of it!
If it had been only Honeckers and Mielkes decision you would probably read today about "the massacre on the Alexanderplatz"....
Bratwurst Boy
16 Aug 2019
History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]
No, they weren't...on the brink of failure they opened the jail door a tiny bit and people used it to run! (Or else they would still exist).
After '89 the West didn't need to reform, he just WON! :)
Today, well...during the last decades some developments happened, without checked by great social, economical and cultural rival, that make reforms now rather necessary...
he Communists of Eastern Europe and the USSR were actually capable of reforms for the better.
No, they weren't...on the brink of failure they opened the jail door a tiny bit and people used it to run! (Or else they would still exist).
After '89 the West didn't need to reform, he just WON! :)
Today, well...during the last decades some developments happened, without checked by great social, economical and cultural rival, that make reforms now rather necessary...
Bratwurst Boy
15 Aug 2019
History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]
Are they?
I met my last one about 10 years back..on a WWII forum...he claimed to have been an SS security detail at the Wolfsschanze...now living out his days in Florida though. I wonder if he's still kicking it..
There's still SS veterans alive. And they're as unapologetic and defiant as ever.
Are they?
I met my last one about 10 years back..on a WWII forum...he claimed to have been an SS security detail at the Wolfsschanze...now living out his days in Florida though. I wonder if he's still kicking it..
Bratwurst Boy
14 Aug 2019
History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]
.....most ended up in the Wehrmacht though.
.....most ended up in the Wehrmacht though.
Bratwurst Boy
14 Aug 2019
History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]
"Allgemeine SS"...as in Home Security....honorary...
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allgemeine_SS
To avoid misunderstandings! :)
"Allgemeine SS"...as in Home Security....honorary...
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allgemeine_SS
To avoid misunderstandings! :)
Bratwurst Boy
14 Aug 2019
History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]
All are correct in a way.
After '33 the NSDAP imposed an admission freeze for new members, to avoid all these opportunists who now came running.
At that point the party had about 849.009 members. Of course even after the freeze people seen as especially useful were "rewarded" with a membership.
But membership was in no way compulsory like in communist countries. (Quite the contrary, the lower your membership-number the higher would be your reputation, because that meant you had been an early member as it was still difficult, during the struggles, before the rise to power).
Till 1943 about 11% of the Germans were members....actually really NAZIS as in active members of the NSDAP. Meaning 89% were not.
But swearing allegiance to Hitler (not the party or the country) with Hitler being the party leader meant in real life actually the same...
To be sure, all were forced to swear the oath of allegiance to Hitler (Eidgeloebnis), making them, yes in effect, "Nazis"!
All are correct in a way.
After '33 the NSDAP imposed an admission freeze for new members, to avoid all these opportunists who now came running.
At that point the party had about 849.009 members. Of course even after the freeze people seen as especially useful were "rewarded" with a membership.
But membership was in no way compulsory like in communist countries. (Quite the contrary, the lower your membership-number the higher would be your reputation, because that meant you had been an early member as it was still difficult, during the struggles, before the rise to power).
Till 1943 about 11% of the Germans were members....actually really NAZIS as in active members of the NSDAP. Meaning 89% were not.
But swearing allegiance to Hitler (not the party or the country) with Hitler being the party leader meant in real life actually the same...
Bratwurst Boy
22 Jul 2019
News / Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw [297]
Yeah...what I said...an islamic take over of Europe would fit you quite well....instead of pelting homos with stones, you can then officially stone them to death following the sharia law!
I really wonder why you are protesting so much actually. You will LOVE it! :)
Personally, I think in this matter we could learn a ton from fundamentalist Muslims.
Yeah...what I said...an islamic take over of Europe would fit you quite well....instead of pelting homos with stones, you can then officially stone them to death following the sharia law!
I really wonder why you are protesting so much actually. You will LOVE it! :)
Bratwurst Boy
22 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
Do you have a number? A link maybe? Stats?
I only found one pointing into the opposite direction....
"More and more Poles are settling in eastern Germany. Since the fall of communism 30 years ago, rural areas in the east have been depopulated. Now, Polish families are taking advantage of the low real estate prices."
dw.com/en/germany-poland-new-old-neighbors/av-49604654
In fact that's why so many W Europeans that can afford it are moving to E Europe.
Do you have a number? A link maybe? Stats?
I only found one pointing into the opposite direction....
"More and more Poles are settling in eastern Germany. Since the fall of communism 30 years ago, rural areas in the east have been depopulated. Now, Polish families are taking advantage of the low real estate prices."
dw.com/en/germany-poland-new-old-neighbors/av-49604654
Bratwurst Boy
22 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
Na ja...I foresee a dumping of the economic level of Germany, so it might be easier (and quicker) for Poland to catch up!
Na ja...I foresee a dumping of the economic level of Germany, so it might be easier (and quicker) for Poland to catch up!
Bratwurst Boy
22 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
How so?
De facto Germany clearly does.
How so?
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
*cough Rebate cough*
Remember Thatcher and her handbag? :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate
Before the Brexit the UK had a veto to stop laws which she used, she could bring in new ideas....the UK had alot of influence about what happened in Europe.
How do you define "change"?
Hell, the uk a second economy of the union couldn't do it -
*cough Rebate cough*
Remember Thatcher and her handbag? :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate
Before the Brexit the UK had a veto to stop laws which she used, she could bring in new ideas....the UK had alot of influence about what happened in Europe.
How do you define "change"?
Bratwurst Boy
18 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
Interesting for all who can read german...the "Spiegel" asks loudly why Poland of all EU-members voted for vdL (and is seemingly so enthusiastic about her)...is there a price to be paid?
The original:
spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ursula-von-der-leyen-warum-polens-pis-vertreter-fuer-sie-stimmten-a-1277913.html
Google translate into polish:
translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=pl&u=https%3A%2F%2Fspiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fursula-von-der-leyen-warum-polens-pis-vertreter-fuer-sie-stimmten-a-1277913.html
Interesting for all who can read german...the "Spiegel" asks loudly why Poland of all EU-members voted for vdL (and is seemingly so enthusiastic about her)...is there a price to be paid?
The original:
spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ursula-von-der-leyen-warum-polens-pis-vertreter-fuer-sie-stimmten-a-1277913.html
Google translate into polish:
translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=pl&u=https%3A%2F%2Fspiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fursula-von-der-leyen-warum-polens-pis-vertreter-fuer-sie-stimmten-a-1277913.html
Bratwurst Boy
17 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
Well...the EU would be finished before it comes to that. Poles are not the only ones who value their freedoms, ya know? :)
I think the current immigration crisis is a good example...there are some leftist-liberal-greens who (with the help of a big part of the media) would open the flood gates to Africa and whoever else wants to come...but the majority of the Europeans isn't going for that, flushing rightist radicals/populists into the governments, and with that into the heart of the EU institutions, so that dream ends here.
You always make the same error Iron, you are removing yourself/Poland from the equation...talking about the EU as something far removed...ruled by "Marsians"...but it's all of us...everyone has the same votes and the same rights!
The EU will develop into that direction the majority will allow...so you and Poland better be part of it!
So yes, I think Poland would be better off because EU doesn't go anywhere nice but to a tyrannical intuition ruled by force and coercion.
Well...the EU would be finished before it comes to that. Poles are not the only ones who value their freedoms, ya know? :)
I think the current immigration crisis is a good example...there are some leftist-liberal-greens who (with the help of a big part of the media) would open the flood gates to Africa and whoever else wants to come...but the majority of the Europeans isn't going for that, flushing rightist radicals/populists into the governments, and with that into the heart of the EU institutions, so that dream ends here.
You always make the same error Iron, you are removing yourself/Poland from the equation...talking about the EU as something far removed...ruled by "Marsians"...but it's all of us...everyone has the same votes and the same rights!
The EU will develop into that direction the majority will allow...so you and Poland better be part of it!
Bratwurst Boy
17 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
She won because of her promises to the Left and the Greens.
Someone is going to be sorely disappointed...but who exactly stays to be seen! ;)
She won because of her promises to the Left and the Greens.
Someone is going to be sorely disappointed...but who exactly stays to be seen! ;)
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
"Kartoffel" (potatoe) is also a nickname for Germans by foreigners :):):)
"Kartoffel" (potatoe) is also a nickname for Germans by foreigners :):):)
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
Just read that:
Germany's Paul Ziemiak met Poland's Kaczynski in a secret meeting on Sunday to advertise vdL....
(Officially Ziemiak is on holiday and officially K. is holding no office at all and also officially the german CDU neither admits nor denies this meeting:)
welt.de/politik/deutschland/article196912137/Paul-Ziemiak-warb-bei-Jaroslaw-Kaczynski-fuer-Ursula-von-der-Leyen.html
Oooookaaaay....at least one thing is already sure, she won't be the Germany's Minister for Defense anylonger, no matter what happens today in Brussels!
*phew...wipes sweat from forehead*
Good riddance! :)
PS: Paul Ziemiak is polish born...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ziemiak
GERPOLIA !!!! :)
Just read that:
Germany's Paul Ziemiak met Poland's Kaczynski in a secret meeting on Sunday to advertise vdL....
(Officially Ziemiak is on holiday and officially K. is holding no office at all and also officially the german CDU neither admits nor denies this meeting:)
welt.de/politik/deutschland/article196912137/Paul-Ziemiak-warb-bei-Jaroslaw-Kaczynski-fuer-Ursula-von-der-Leyen.html
Oooookaaaay....at least one thing is already sure, she won't be the Germany's Minister for Defense anylonger, no matter what happens today in Brussels!
*phew...wipes sweat from forehead*
Good riddance! :)
PS: Paul Ziemiak is polish born...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ziemiak
GERPOLIA !!!! :)
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
Yeah...Rackete is on a "holy" crusade!
But gladly crusaders have not that much influence on the rather more pragmatic gov (compared to the media).
In war times the soldiers would say: "No plan survives contact with reality", heh:)
Rackete: I don't see a limit.
Yeah...Rackete is on a "holy" crusade!
But gladly crusaders have not that much influence on the rather more pragmatic gov (compared to the media).
What is interesting in hindsight....
In war times the soldiers would say: "No plan survives contact with reality", heh:)
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
We aim to please! ;)
We aim to please! ;)
Bratwurst Boy
16 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
Right now there is a small coalition of the self-proclaimed "willing" who are all for importing thousands of Africans, but the bigger coalition in the EU says loudly "NO" (or looks quietly the other way).
Even in Germany the opinion is split....with many also disagreeing with the NGO's and their travel services for the north african human traffickers.
The Quota system is dead, the EU mission in the Med "Sophia" has been stopped...SOME towns have agreed to take SOME refugees in if needed but that's it.
So, I don't think there will be any unwanted immigrants in Poland anytime soon...(and they will probably want go to Germany anyhow:)
Having said that, if the Union doesn't force their ridiculous and suicidal immigrant policies on us (which, so far, they don't do)
Right now there is a small coalition of the self-proclaimed "willing" who are all for importing thousands of Africans, but the bigger coalition in the EU says loudly "NO" (or looks quietly the other way).
Even in Germany the opinion is split....with many also disagreeing with the NGO's and their travel services for the north african human traffickers.
The Quota system is dead, the EU mission in the Med "Sophia" has been stopped...SOME towns have agreed to take SOME refugees in if needed but that's it.
So, I don't think there will be any unwanted immigrants in Poland anytime soon...(and they will probably want go to Germany anyhow:)
Bratwurst Boy
15 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
Stop that Pawian....I've known Iron for many, many years....I KNOW he is no Kremlin-troll!
Yeah...in a MAGA US the POTUS will only ever have use for a very obedient Poland, you do what he wants and he will throw you some crumbs, if not....
You would be never an equal, you would be a servant. And once the Chinese come, it would be the same...imagine a chinese-russian alliance...with only the EU bloc being seen and respected as equals by all of them...where would that leave poor little not-in-the-EU-all-alone-by-itself-Poland?
That's what you want for Poland? Do you think a brotherhood with Hungary will help you then? Really???
Stop that Pawian....I've known Iron for many, many years....I KNOW he is no Kremlin-troll!
Case in point each time some eurosceptic politicians take power in Poland, they are forced to suck up to the American president....
Yeah...in a MAGA US the POTUS will only ever have use for a very obedient Poland, you do what he wants and he will throw you some crumbs, if not....
You would be never an equal, you would be a servant. And once the Chinese come, it would be the same...imagine a chinese-russian alliance...with only the EU bloc being seen and respected as equals by all of them...where would that leave poor little not-in-the-EU-all-alone-by-itself-Poland?
That's what you want for Poland? Do you think a brotherhood with Hungary will help you then? Really???
Bratwurst Boy
15 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
I'm not downplaying anything...just pointing out the fact that you won't change a thing for the better if you leave the game. That is not an ideology but a fact. That's how the world works.
Poland is not a big player in Europe! And especially when you want the best for Poland it's downright crazy to demand it to leave the one Union where it gets to sit at the same table, with the same voting power as the biggies.
Tell me again how well it went for Poland when the biggies played their games without Poland and how great it was "friends" in far away countries to have, but not in your neighbours!
I have news for you Iron, when Poland is unable to "make it" in the EU, they won't make it outside either. The world isn't waiting for Poland. With the EU Poland has the power of 27 countries and the biggest consumer market in the world behind it. Alone it would be...well...only alone! Poland would earn less and pay more...that alone economically...and politically? Who will want to listen to Poland for nothing? You will have to gain your alliances again, licking the boots of anybody you hope will defend you and buy your produce.
You will not be free nor equal in anything. You will only ever be ONE smallish country with very limited influence in a world where big blocs are being build as we speak!
Why you think Poland will be better off that way is totally beyond me!
PS: Maybe you wish for a Union totally tailored to polish wishes and preferences...only ever gains and never compromises. That won't happen in this world, for no country...not in a Union with so many others, but especially not alone...that works not even for the US, and they are a continent!
This dream is just not realistic....the EU is your best chance, a better one you will never get, make it your own!
I'm pointing out serious issues and flaws of the Eu, it doesn't help anyone if you downplay those issues or brush them aside.
I'm not downplaying anything...just pointing out the fact that you won't change a thing for the better if you leave the game. That is not an ideology but a fact. That's how the world works.
Poland is not a big player in Europe! And especially when you want the best for Poland it's downright crazy to demand it to leave the one Union where it gets to sit at the same table, with the same voting power as the biggies.
Tell me again how well it went for Poland when the biggies played their games without Poland and how great it was "friends" in far away countries to have, but not in your neighbours!
I have news for you Iron, when Poland is unable to "make it" in the EU, they won't make it outside either. The world isn't waiting for Poland. With the EU Poland has the power of 27 countries and the biggest consumer market in the world behind it. Alone it would be...well...only alone! Poland would earn less and pay more...that alone economically...and politically? Who will want to listen to Poland for nothing? You will have to gain your alliances again, licking the boots of anybody you hope will defend you and buy your produce.
You will not be free nor equal in anything. You will only ever be ONE smallish country with very limited influence in a world where big blocs are being build as we speak!
Why you think Poland will be better off that way is totally beyond me!
PS: Maybe you wish for a Union totally tailored to polish wishes and preferences...only ever gains and never compromises. That won't happen in this world, for no country...not in a Union with so many others, but especially not alone...that works not even for the US, and they are a continent!
This dream is just not realistic....the EU is your best chance, a better one you will never get, make it your own!
Bratwurst Boy
15 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
You worry to much...
You worry to much...
Bratwurst Boy
13 Jul 2019
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
Of course I count you in! :)
Iron, it's the Europeans who make the EU...it's not forced on us by Marsians! And Poland will never have a better chance to change things than from INSIDE the EU!!!
So, stop pouting in the corner and come join the fun...
No, it would be a bad day for all the smaller countries. Never again will they have so much say and sway.
Once the EU crumbles Europe would be back again to a few biggies who share the power between them and the tinies falling in line on one side or the other....you want back to these bad 'ol times? I don't!
To rework everything about the EU? Hell, in that case count me in.
Of course I count you in! :)
Iron, it's the Europeans who make the EU...it's not forced on us by Marsians! And Poland will never have a better chance to change things than from INSIDE the EU!!!
So, stop pouting in the corner and come join the fun...
..if the EU like it is now will crumble, I disagree it would a great day for humanity....
No, it would be a bad day for all the smaller countries. Never again will they have so much say and sway.
Once the EU crumbles Europe would be back again to a few biggies who share the power between them and the tinies falling in line on one side or the other....you want back to these bad 'ol times? I don't!