News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

Next step in the game:

Blaming NATO for calling up his own military!

Possible step after that:

Using his own troops to "rescue" Belarus from foreign invaders (NATO) / aka forcefully suppressing protests...asking comrade Putin for help (optional).


bbc.com/news/world-europe-53877953

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


I think such numbers are giving most people goosebumps (and bad memories)...

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


I really don't think any of it is on the cards for Belarus anytime soon....(even if they wanted to).


I can only think that a lot of Belorussians had been just put off by Lukashenkos latest election fraud...he must have overestimated his people's humour...


Agreed! The reactions in Berlin to the happenings in Belarus are only lukewarm and halfhearted blah at best...


...same here!

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

What aspirations do they have?

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


Yeah....the EU was no big player in Ukraine, and she won't be a big help in Belarus either. The people there seem to know that...

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


Well...he is already landed in Tegel and on his way to the Charitè...


Agreed! Especially the people in Belarus....and they should decide who comes after him, nobody else, not Putin and not the EU!

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


Poland IS in EU and NATO, Crowie....

When you talk about a conflict between Russia and EU/NATO (and their consequential collapse of course) you talk about a conflict with Poland (and its consequential collapse of course). There is no other way.

If the US stays out of it they will let Poland hang out to dry....special relationship with Trump or not!


As far as I see it Nawalny is on its way OUT of Russia, not on his way IN to Russia! :)


Surely!

Both, Russia and Germany (and Belarus come to think of), need to limit the time someone is allowed to rule the country...

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


So...Russia could threaten Poland with nukes and you think it is better when the US do nothing when things escalate?

Btw....Nawalny is on his way to Berlin, so I've just read...

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

The EU (Poland too) is not recognizing the outcome of the latest Belarus election...meaning Lukashenko.


euronews.com/2020/08/19/eu-leaders-to-discuss-next-steps-for-belarus

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


Spiegel reports Lukashenko secured himself Putin's support already....he promised "extensive help"!

Would Russia really send troops if pushes come to shove?

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

...it's a sign, not much more. The rest will depend on the outcome.

Before a request of inspection was declined by the responsible Bergamt Stralsund. Now the Umwelthilfe want's to force it through a court decision.

Here some background info about the DUH in English:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Action_Germany


They are quite mean! Their dissuasions are mostly legally sound and can be very expensive...they are very unpopular and even feared by politicians and business leaders...they love to force people and whole companies to court and to punish them with hefty fines when they see the environment endangered.

Think about a club of green tinged money thirsty and merciless lawyers! :)

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

....even as Nordstream is nearly done already it seems even the in Germany very powerful climate "lobby" is against Nordstream now...only Merkel is still missing. Wouldn't be the first time she changes her opinion about 180°, why not here?

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Interesting...

The association "Deutsche Umwelthilfe" is going to court (in Stralsund) to revoke the operational licence for Nord Stream 2.

They say new scientific findings show that the pipeline leaks unhealthy "climate gas" Methane (much worse than CO2)...and that with these findings the construction would had never been allowed in the first place.

spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/nord-stream-2-umwelthilfe-will-pipeline-mit-klage-stoppen-a-26b75f35-5315-433c-bed8-2a2ff8f7549f

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

At some time even Islam has to develop....move forwards....I think the westernized muslims will play an important role in that....sooner or later....

A muslima in Berlin founded the first mosque where men and women (unveiled) can pray together side by side...and female preacher are allowed too...gays and lesbians too...of course it doesn't sit well with the most hardcore muslims from the Dark Ages, but's it's in Germany, under western laws and so they have to suck it up! :)

dw.com/en/founder-of-berlins-liberal-mosque-honored-for-inclusive-vision/a-51418309

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

....just wanted to keep the conversation going! :)

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

What I would like to know....Christianity became so big through conversions....from a tiny desert cult to a sprawling world religion....why don't they see all these masses of coming immigrants as potential future Christians to fill the empty churches again?

There could be a new wave of power and influence to be had.....not feeling threatened by everybody foreign....dying out slowly but surely as of now (especially in Germany).

Serious thinking here!

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

History is full of shoulda-woulda's....

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

Hach ja....the Old Fritz....and Bismarck....*get's all nostalgic*

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


I try so hard...always....I swear...

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


It was Schröder's baby, not Merkel. That he ended up after his chancellorship at russian Gazprom, calling Putin a "lupenreiner Demokrat" (flawless democrat), says it all, really...


It's not the US....Obama never put any pressure on Merkel about it....it's Trump! And he will probably gone soon...


Frankly, Trump makes it easy....as he treats the EU as an enemy....he has less and less friends here!


Imagine it wouldn't be so! :)


Have to agree with that....

Avoid excessive quoting please

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


.....and that seems mightily important to you! :)

(Not that I think Germany has much cultural impact on modern Germany either...it's to americanized for that. A fate Poland will surely befall too in time!)

So...say.....what do you think of Merkel standing by these sanctions against Russia even without Trump's backing?

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


It's paid for with BILLIONS!

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


Not really, no!

The only other option (not viable though) had been Germany becoming neutral, out of EU and especially out of NATO...but our friends and neighbours (also the US) protested heavily, so I heard.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


The german decision about the continuation of said sanctions was in October 2019....I doubt Merkel had (or needed) Trumps backing for that!

Trump really prefers to do business with Russia....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Russia


I wish she would let it go too....To much hassle for what gain? Nord Stream is a like investing in coal and building new coal mines....as we need to invest in clean energy instead.

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

...what about the sanctions against Russia? I doubt they would exist without Merkel...

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

....alot of wishful thinking here! :)

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


That too....


Last October the Bundestag decided about the continuation of the sanctions against Russia:

Against: LINKE

Pro: CDU, CSU, Bündins 90/Grüne and the FDP

Abstinence: AfD

bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2019/kw43-de-russlandsanktionen-663296

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

*nods*

Not to mention that many Germans protest these sanctions too....entrepreneurs who are losing out on lotsa good business with Russia but also the political left who always had a soft spot for the dictators in the Kreml...

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


Na ja, Germany is also the biggest voice to keep up the sanctions against Russia...if it would be only Poland asking for them there wouldn't be any repercussions for Putin's misbehaviour at all, I fear....even Polands bestie Hungary likes to suck up to Moscow!

...Overall, three types of sanctions were imposed: ban on provision of technology for oil and gas exploration, ban on provision of credits to Russian oil companies and state banks, travel restrictions on the influential Russian citizens close to President Putin and involved in the annexation of Crimea....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War


reuters.com/article/us-germany-eu-briefing/germany-expects-eu-sanctions-against-russia-to-be-extended-idUSKBN23P1J8


nytimes.com/2020/05/28/world/europe/germany-russia-cyberattack-sanctions.html


aa.com.tr/en/europe/germany-to-seek-eu-sanctions-on-russia-over-cyberattack/1856420

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

By now it's mainly only Merkel (and Schröder) still clinging to Nord Stream....

But you are overestimating these sanctions...it's mainly a blow to the building companies who invested their money into this project...not so much Germany or it's economy.

If there will be counter-sanctions it probably will be through the EU!

....Although the pipeline in question leads from Russia to Germany, four other nations - all of them EU members - are co-financing the project, as the gas is also to be supplied to the Czech Republic and many other European countries - hence the demand for the European Commission to get involved in the spat....

dw.com/en/can-nord-stream-2-pipeline-still-be-completed-despite-us-sanctions/a-53853919

PS: Germany's biggest export market is still China...hence the embarassing silence on Hongkong etc....