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How about you would actually READ about it!

I can't spell it out so slowly extra for you....use google...listen to the news...it's all there....but I can't take it from you...you have to open your eyes yourself!

giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/delgenio_03/

nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00685-x

"Clouds' cooling effect could vanish in a warmer world

High concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide can result in the dispersal of cloud banks that reflect roughly 30% of the sunlight that hits them."

It get's only worse!

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quantamagazine.org/cloud-loss-could-add-8-degrees-to-global-warming-20190225/

"...The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per million - a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in about a century, under "business-as-usual" emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth's temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly...."

In short:

More CO2 -more warming - less clouds - more sun - even more warming...

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You really think "global warmers" is something like a party? That we have a choice? A leftist conspiracy?

China is the #1 country which will suffer the rising sea levels...they WILL pay for their mistakes with people, cities and whole regions...they WILL have to act.

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I'm not sure where you live but even here in Berlin we can "see" the changes...the summer are hotter than ever...the rivers are drying up now regularly...the forests are burning now regularly...the winter right now is the warmest ever...no snow...not even freezing temperatures...they already warn about a drought next summer...threatening the harvest.

That warming makes the so important masses of ice at the poles melt...that rising of sea levels is the logical consequence of that....that in turn is threatening all coastal settlements...making warm countries unbearable hot....drowning whole islands...making soon millions of people to climate refugees...that all is no rocket science...and yes, the news are full about it, every day!

We have now tornados in Germany fffs. TORNADOS! We never had them!!!

WHAT exactly are you doubting? Do you really belief it's just a mass hallucination??? Made up by some mad scientist to...yeah, what for actually?

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And I still doubt that is what Konfederacija has in mind....a monarchy not using it's political power.

Is that really part of the party program? And does Braun believe that he will gain the support of a majority with that?

(I must admit I'm a bit baffled)

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As if you ever would or had....

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Well...yeah...it's kinda weird, since the british monarchy is not much more than a disney franchise by now...besides Great Britain is also one of the oldest democracies.

I somehow don't think he is thinking of a purely representing monarchy whose members fill the yellow pages but have no real power at all.

That means he thinks about a real monarchy where the king rules supreme...do you really think that will help Konfederacija to power one day? And what then? Will there be a contest about who will become King and Queen? And then? Will the Sejm abolish itself???

Did he think that through??? And is that a catholic thing???

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Yeah..well...in Germany at the same time the Nazis had been against abortion...the mothers got medals if they shucked out lotsa babies....

But on the other hand that program sounds like the german christian parties from 30 years back...one can agree with or not but that doesn't sound so bad. I wonder why so many Poles don't like their preachers talking about that.

Do you think that Grzegorz Braun is of german heritage?

Does he really wants a monarchy back???

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Do you have some examples for me? Which political policy compares to which religious teaching?

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It IS in the news all the time, why don't you google it for once...

google.com/search?newwindow=1&ei=QtMlXpzONsW1sAfNlb_wDg&q=rising+sea+levels&oq=rising+sea+levels&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.55924.58580..58988...0.2..0.109.1448.15j2......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i273j0i67j0i10.0Z7JOqYXeHY&ved=0ahUKEwic993WypLnAhXFGuwKHc3KD-4Q4dUDCAo&uact=5

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Based on wishful thinking....the staple on this forum!

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Ouch!

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Really Iron...a "soviet catholic" ??? What's that???

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And right they were...:)

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It's not all that bad....

ec.europa.eu/environment/eir/pdf/report_pl_en.pdf

:)

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That forum doesn't seem to represent Poland at all...where a far majority supports Torq....interesting...and hopeful! :)


It's kind of a tricky situation for the polish church....the more they support PiS or Korwin Mikke or any other political party the more Poles turn away from the church and she loses influence..

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Because you can't see it it isn't happening? Are you kidding me???


Maybe that one....

telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/19/residents-florida-keys-face-losing-homes-rising-sea-levels-threaten/


It isn't a question...or a matter of belief!

Or maybe someone should write a book about and ask yo to just believe it...maybe it would be easier for you then...


Yeah...and we will also still have to buy dirty energy from others...I'm sooo sorry not all is already perfect and the transition to fully clean energy is not yet totally done...SO SORRY!!!!

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Spike will beg to differ though....you are both staunch Catholics who love their country, you fight it out! :)

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What answer should that be?

It's happening...the arctic ice is melting - raising the sea level - flooding settled lands....the average temperature is raising - burning nature and people - bringing droughts and mass fires....WHAT is your answer? Not doing anything? It's all a hoax??? WHAT?

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Of course! I meant to mention that.... ;)

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I really wouldn't bind the future of a country to a religion, any religion!

Poland isn't any exception. The more modernization, the less religiousity....

4liberty.eu/strange-death-of-the-catholic-church-in-poland/


It's the same everywhere....a majority of Germans would call themselves Christians...but besides gift exchanges at Christmas and enjoying sleep-ins during free workdays with the name of once christian holy days there isn't any belief or religiousity anymore...

I think that is a fight you will lose in a generation or two...the idea that Poles differ in that to the rest of the West is wishful thinking. As millions of young Poles have left highly religious Poland for alot less religious western Europe, and most are not coming back. They don't seem to miss their church!

What I found interesting though is that a majority of religious Poles isn't happy about PiS....and the closeness between the polish Church and this party!

translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fciekaweliczby.pl%2F63-polakow-uwaza-ze-kosciol-powinien-zachowac-neutralnosc-wobec-polityki-pis-sondaz%2F

A non-political Church is preferred by far....that's the same in Germany too btw..

But where does that leave the ones who (want to) use the religion for politic causes?

....As long as we remain a Catholic country (and I can't see that changing in foreseeable future), we will have this natural armour against all sorts of nonsense.

That doesn't seem like a winning argument in the long run....as most Poles are against such thinking it seems!

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I've read it and I googled Hansen but I can't find anything about anything being wrong now....the ice is still melting, the temperatures are rising....and it still doesn't look good when we do nothing.

Can you point out where it's proven that it all isn't true anymore?

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Yeah well....that has been that way since the beginning...it's called education! ;)


Okay...pollution first!

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I will observe that with interest....

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So....since the "true intentions and goals of the EU" have been officially rejected by the Poles...what now?

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So...how does that fact compute with the build image of the EU as the "mean dictatorial german led oppressor" in Brussels? The "yoke of the polish people"? :)

Poland just said "no" and that was it...

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You have been really traumatized by that, haven't you....

But I too hope such a situation never unfolds again!

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It's very rare that people are happy paying their taxes...but if not enforced, the gov would starve to death, so would soon many people. Once advanced rich societies would soon look like african third world pits (with only a few have-it-alls) including rising instability and violent conflicts.

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Heh:)

Very interesting wording!

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It's the same with taxes!

Every democratic gov demands them...and all people are nagging about it!

If left to be fully voluntarily there would be much less of it....but also much less of infrastructure, usable streets, medical and educational services, military, police security, welfare for the old and sick, pensions and what not.

It's the solidarity of a nation...and totally enforced!


Tell me again how many of these refugees pushed Germany into Poland exactly?