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But they were quite anti-semitic in nature too, that's the problem. The leftist 68er were (mainly) fans of the PLO and it's fight against the jewish state, not to mention the support by the RAF (kidnapping of airlines and killings of jewish passengers).

IMHO The 68er movement was the death blow to the old german Nazis...but, and that's also the point I was trying to make...with this generation it was "safe" to do so, the old Nazis getting really old, dying off...the horrors far in the past....sons and daughters rebelling against their parent generation as it is natural.

But that had not much to do with acknowledgement and re-processing (?) of the Holocaust...I think....

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Well...to be fair a lot of that wasn't the fault of the Germans...especially in East Germany the crimes and horrors and suffering of the Russian people had been a big topic but otherwise the East-Germans, the Poles and all others in the Eastern bloc were all friends and brothers and comrades now under Moscow's benevolent eye...there was no place for the polish-russian or german-polish grievances or russian crimes or lost territories and similiar "squabbles"....the bad guys/the Nazis were all in the West, our new common enemy! Remember?

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It brought the horrors of Nazi crimes into people's living rooms and turned the word "Holocaust" into a commonly-used term in the German language.

This was the first time that a major mainstream drama had portrayed the lives of Hitler's victims.

A few months after the series was broadcast, Germany scrapped the statute of limitations for murder, to enable Nazis to be tried for their participation in the Holocaust

bbc.com/news/world-europe-47042244

Gruni....that was 1979....not 1945!

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What makes you think that?

spiegel.de/international/germany/from-dictatorship-to-democracy-the-role-ex-nazis-played-in-early-west-germany-a-810207.html

businessinsider.com/former-nazi-officials-in-germany-post-world-war-ii-government-2016-10?r=DE&IR=T

There was no HIAG in East Germany, there was definitely no Vertriebenen-Verband in East Germany etc., etc., etc.,....the old Nazis in the GDR were now all in the SED... the torch marches, the uniforms, the oath to the destroy their "enemies" were not that different after all...and the mindset was the same!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIAG

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Expellees

What you are probably thinking of came a generation later, as the old Nazis retired and died off...as their children and grandchildren startet to get interested, as it was safe to do so because that history became far removed, physically and psychologically.

For example the first real exposure to the horrors of the holocaust happend for most Germans not in school or some "denazification" measure by the occupying forces but some TV mini-series aptly named "Holocaust"...in 1978.

I read that was the moment as many younger Germans started as questioning their elders...that started a flood of articles, books and more movies....but before that? Not much...and that was about the Jews!

My own exposure to WWII happened in school, a former inmate of Ravensbrück told us schoolchildren from the horrors of the camps, we visited Buchenwald...our heroes were communists like Thälmann and our soviet communist liberators...Jews not so much.

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....all Poles! :)

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It doesn't stop you from hating all things German....shows the stupidity of that!

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Ich bin ein Pfannkuchen! :)

Poles are essentially Germans...only more religious I think....most Germans (especially East Germans) are not. I generally think East Germans have alot more in common with western Poles than with many West Germans...decades behind the Iron Curtain, sharing the same fate, can do that to people...

The divide in Germany is mostly between the North (prussian, protestant) and the South (catholic, not prussian:) and recently between East and West....Bavarians are alot closer to Austrians for example than to Saxons or Thuringians...

"The Germans" don't exist and I think there are no "The Poles" either...

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Heh:):):) There are no coincidences....so I've heard...it's all in the big plan! :)

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Stuff for another thread, Spike....

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But this here is the official appeal from the german Poland institute from 2017:

deutsches-polen-institut.de/politik/polendenkmal/

deutsches-polen-institut.de/assets/downloads/Polendenkmal/Aufruf-Polendenkmal.pdf

And this is the list of the signees:
(Alot of high ranking politicians have been part of this)

deutsches-polen-institut.de/assets/Uploads/Unterzeichner-Polendenkmal18.pdf

All in german though...is there some stuff in polish???

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Heh:) I hoped THAT would lure you out.... :):):)

I read that decision is a consequence of a discussion holocaust survivor and foreign minister Władysław Bartoszewski once started....

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Na ja...that's rather german-centric, don't you think? Nothing directly about the polish victims...

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Well....IMHO that photo in Warsaw has become already a political icon, as in "Bilder sagen mehr als Worte!" :)

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Nothing beats Brandt's "Kniefall" though....especially as back then capitalist West Germany and communist Poland had been officially enemies once again, and all was still fresh with most survivors still around!

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Yeah...one of the better decision by the Bundestag! :)

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Honestly? I have no idea....I'm searching the net but there is nothing....even the AfD twitter account who comments usually continuously everything is totally ignoring this...hmm...

I only know that 2019 there was a memorial spat between the AfD and Poland as an AfD politician financed a memorial stone for German soldiers and Freikorps members fallen in WWI and WWII in Upper Silesia (Bytom/Beuthen), which the polish gov then removed quickly....

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/von-afd-parlamentarier-mitfinanziert-polen-entfernt-gedenkstein-fuer-freikorps-a-1298279.html

Maybe an act of a tit for a tat? *shrugs*

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I guess before that will come a contest for the best concept....I read that the "Askanische Platz" in Kreuzberg is in the talks.

deutschlandfunkkultur.de/denkmal-projekt-in-berlin-erinnern-an-polnische-opfer-der.2165.de.html?dram:article_id=457389

But till now it had been only talks and wishes, only from now on the planning and conception and discussion about how and where can truly begin....I could imagine that Poland would want to butt in with the plans, maybe veteran and survivor unions will want to get heard too...

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That's sad...

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Weeeell......I'm neither praying to Allah or Christ....let's leave it at that! :)

And because as of now slavic lands mean christian lands I would prefer to wait for the resurgence of Svetovid and folks before making any further decisions, thank you!

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You know my English is limited! :)

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Well, I believe that was the plan back after WWII, and all new members agreed to that and subscribed the treaties accordingly....

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Tja...that ist the big question....not to mention that lower labour laws DO actually help rising economies to attract companies, investments and jobs and so to help their own workforce and economy. After all the living costs are still also lower...

That puts a different spin on your tale of "colonization through stronger economies", doesn't it? ;)

These strong economies suffer too in such a market, not only do they lose companies and high wage jobs, alot of workers with low wages expectations are immigrating in high wage countries and help to push the wages down...

But in time though everything will (hopefully) even out, with former low wage countries rising up and with their economies also the wages rise and the gap will close in time, surely but slowly...

If there is a better way for a Union to synchronize their economies please do tell...

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@Ironside

So, what we truly need are the same wages in all EU-countries...fair play for all workers...no big profits for the fat cats because of moving their companies for lower labour costs...means alot more integration (labour laws, social laws, tariffs etc.) than we have now!

A "common market only" - Union won't cut it...

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.....that is actually a good idea!

Maybe then to produce in "cheap labour" - countries won't make any sense for these companies anymore and they will come home, re-building lost jobs here again?


They should build alliances to re-negotiate the EU treaties then...alone breaking them would end their membership and the other countries won't have to keep to their own parts in those treaties anymore either.

Maybe PiS knows that exactly (I can't believe they don't have researched all about it meticulously) what these treaties bring to Poland and decided that they still get a lot more out of it than otherwise?

One has to wonder why PiS and Co aren't angling for a PolExit if a future outside of the EU would look so truly bright....

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@Spike

A competition ambitious Polish companies will also have to contend with soon, not only with "local" European rivals, but the big global player...

Maybe then, closing ranks with your European partners would make us all stronger....just an idea! :)

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Just think about it Spike....if GB had been Poland's neighbour through the millennia (with Poland being the unwilling part of their Empire building) you would sing the high praise of Germany today! :)

Neighbours have always much more difficult relationships than with far away countries...there is no use in categorizing countries and whole peoples into "good" or "bad" because of their geographical location and consequential shared history....just keep that in mind!

And no, because of our geographical location Poland and Germany will never be just "distant neighbours"...

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When Germany does the same you somehow never find something admirable about that,but rather lament the mean bad Germans and their "meddling ways"...why is that?

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@Spike31

How would you know...how many Germans do you know?

And what would that mean for "achieving bigger things"? Usually "collectivists" achieve more than individualists...

You like your stereotypes much, aren't you? :)

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What would that be?

PS: Great Britain seems to be disintegrating...

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8839179/Support-Scottish-independence-soars-record-high-new-poll-58-cent-UK-split.html#comments