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Bratwurst Boy   
5 Nov 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

50 long decades would be 500 years - you are exaggerating a bit today ;)

Erm....math had never be my strength!

So don't tell me it's exactly the same situation.

I'm not telling anything....but I can't help comparing the polish-lithuanian arguments with the polish-german ones...

For me the Poles seem to play the same role to the Lithuanians (and the Ukrainians before that) as the Germans do to Poles....and Poland tries to justify it's actions as Germans (me) do....till to the somewhat arrogant position of the allegedly stronger and more mature civilization looking down on the "eastern peasants" and the modern revanchists who "want back what was stolen from them".

You just has to exchange the nationalities sometimes and it's eerie....
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Nov 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

only those who wanted to leave did.

What do you think made them "want to leave"? Polonization was enforced and even their existence was denied by the government.

....Practically all through the years until the Polish communist regime was ousted, the existence of Germans remaining in Poland was denied. Polish prime minister Tadeusz Mazowiecki, in office 1989-91, was the first to recognize the German minority officially..

Bratwurst Boy   
5 Nov 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

Well...they did exactly that till the early 90's...during nearly 50 long decades, driving the majority of them out already, millions left for Germany. Even denying their existence at all.

What more can you do?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Nov 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [263]

that what is called Swabia today, back in time, was heartland of Northern Danubian Proto Slavic branch

Wishful thinking! You are a dreamer Crowie...I can't blame you for wanting to belong to the titanic germanic tribes family...who wouldn't...

...but it looks abit pathetic for someone who is allegedly "proud to be a Slav", ya know....

so with a many Slavic nations but they all differ big time, do not copy nationalistic propaganda here please :)

Which would be?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Nov 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [263]

Yeah...when the historical facts are uncomfortably one is open for every crooked explanation!
Sorry to burst your wishful bubble, just look at the map by Ptolemy again.
He knows exactly to differ between the Germanics and the Slavs...there is a clear drawn border right on the map to the eastern Sarmatians!

There wouldn't be any if they would be all the same to him.

Not to mention that he was an Egyptian not a Roman, or that you think the Romans quite stupid not knowing about the many people in an outside of their empire.

Maybe they didn't know so much about the Slavs but they for sure did know their Germans, being at war and trading with them for centuries already...

And if Ptolemy is not enough for you, Pliny the Elder and also Tacitus know to differ between Germanics and Slavs already.

Some sciencetists think that Suebi-Svevi are just Slavs , look on the name.

I hope you don't use the same "scientific" resources as Crow because mainstream history is clear about the Suebi as a germanic tribe:

/wiki/Suebi

...
The Suebi or Suevi (from Proto-Germanic *swēbaz based on the Proto-Germanic root *swē- meaning "one's own" people,[1] from an Indo-European root *swe-,[2] the third person reflexive pronoun) were a group of Germanic peoples[3] who were first mentioned by Julius Caesar in connection with Ariovistus' campaign...

What next? Ariovistus a Slav too???
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariovistus

Ariovistus was a leader of the Suebi and other allied Germanic peoples in the second quarter of the 1st century BC. He and his followers took part in a war in Gaul, assisting the Arverni and Sequani to defeat their rivals the Aedui, after which they settled in large numbers in conquered Gallic territory in the Alsace region.

Ariovistus

The Suebians left their traces even today: /wiki/Swabia

...
2000 years ago, the Suebi or Suevi were an Elbe Germanic tribe whose origin was near the Baltic Sea, which was thus known to the Romans as the Mare Suebicum (today, the term "Swabian Sea" is applied to Lake Constance). They migrated to the southwest, becoming part of the Alamannic confederacy.
...
Swabia (sometimes Suabia or Svebia) (German: Schwaben, also Schwabenland or Ländle) is a cultural, historic and linguistic region in Germany.

What is it with you guys...is your own history not enough for you now you need to steal from others???
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Nov 2010
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

There can only one country occupy the central spot and that is Germany, sorry!
Everything east of us is eastern Europe and everything west of us is western Europe.

So!

;)

*runs very quickly*
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Nov 2010
USA, Canada / Polack/American Polonia/Plastic Pole "culture" [568]

It's a form of snobbery, I think. It's ridiculous when you look at American history - it's got a rich, deep history - they really, really do not need to call themselves anything but American.

Well...I don't believe that.
It's more about roots...black Americans for example are actually supported finding their "roots"...the same with the native Americans...movies are made about it, documentaries...school etc.

To know where one hails from is necessary...

It's like the old history saying that one needs to know the history or is doomed to repeat it. Knowing ones own family heritage is equally important.

People who dismiss this mostly don't have any or it's to muddled and messed up.
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Nov 2010
USA, Canada / Polack/American Polonia/Plastic Pole "culture" [568]

If Boehner's influence on politics is seen as a German American influence on America, I wouldn't mind seeing more German American influence asserted in the US.

Well...I'm sure he is a patriotic Ami...nobody expects from German-Amis to put the old Fatherland first, they never did.
(Contrary to modern immigrants into Europe)

Actually I think German-Amis are exceptionally immigrants...an asset to their new countries..mostly...

conservapedia.com/John_Boehner

Career

Boehner was born to a German Catholic family in Cincinnati; he was second among 12 children....

Bratwurst Boy   
3 Nov 2010
USA, Canada / Polack/American Polonia/Plastic Pole "culture" [568]

Yea but Spanish is becoming the first language so how will they reach the people?

I rather think they will have to learn english as the Germans did...

I did it ones, here it is again.

Never to often! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Nov 2010
USA, Canada / Polack/American Polonia/Plastic Pole "culture" [568]

Plastic Poles or not....Plastic Germans rule the US!!!

Democrat Obama is half German and the now second most powerful man, the speaker of the congress Republican John Boehner, is full German!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boehner

Ha! Beat that!!! :):):)

...yesIgoogledthat...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Nov 2010
USA, Canada / Polack/American Polonia/Plastic Pole "culture" [568]

If anything it shows Poles are humble enough to give another nation credit which they felt it deserved and that maybe the Polish people themselves didn't always have the answers to everything.

Well...yeah...a national hymn has commonly a national theme...because beside the flag it is the symbol to rally under.
Revering to a foreign power hungry, agressive dictator in a hymn could be seen as kind of bowing of a meek colony does to their imperial master.
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Nov 2010
USA, Canada / Polack/American Polonia/Plastic Pole "culture" [568]

Polish people: let us learn from Bonaparte how to win,

Well...he ended in exile of Elba, didn't he....his armies smashed...with prussian/german help..

I would rewrite the hymn quickly! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Oct 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

Just a question from an outsider....is the polish minority the same kind in Lithuania as in Germany (meaning immigrated) or are they native.

Only an autochthone minority has the official minorities rights you know....
Bratwurst Boy   
27 Oct 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

Update II: YIKES! This just in from InterfaxRussia and Poland to sign memorandum for developing Kaliningrad's electricity grid (link may not work if you are not a subscriber). This report says that

"Russia and Poland plan to sign memorandum for developing the electricity grid system of the Kaliningrad Region in the near future, Russia Energy Minister Sergei Shmatko told journalists after meeting with Polish Deputy Prime Minsiter [sic] and Economic Minister Valdemar Pavlyak.

If true, this is potentially huge as it kyboshes the planned Polish-Lithuanian-Latvian-Estonian joint nuclear power station which is supposedly to be built on the site of the old Ignalina in Lithuania.

economist/blogs/easternapproaches/2010/10/poland_and_lithuania

Poland snuggling up to Russia on the back of it's neighbour??? ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
22 Oct 2010
History / Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land [75]

Where do you get the funny part from?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor#Third_Cru sade_and_death

...However, on 10 June 1190, Emperor Frederick drowned in the Saleph River as his army was approaching Antioch from Armenia; Arab historians report that his army had encamped before the river, and that the Emperor had gone to the river to drink and bathe, however, he forgot to take his armor off and he was carried away by the currents underwater and then he died. Some of Frederick's men put him in a barrel of vinegar to preserve his body.

Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [263]

Well, not exactly BB.

Well, I don't think so too... ;)

Marek seems to think so!

Note that it is in the 13th-14th century when these crusades are called, and its exactly when this map seemed to be reproduced by the Vatican.

That's why it's great they found an even older copy in the Topkapi-palace in Istanbul...double proof is just better. :)

The populations of these regions were already so intermixed

Not at the beginning. The Slavs pushing westwards assimilated those germans who still lived there after most of them migrated south to Rome.
Even more mixing happened as the Germanics came back...since then it's a continous shoving back and for.

"here are the Germanics" and "here are the Sarmatians."

In the beginning there were surely clear borders between people of different traditions, language, culture...as today.
It was clear to Ptolemy and Tacitus. The border between our both people is still there even after 2000 years of mixing.

If they pushed Germanics back, or helped push them forward, is altogether a blur.

I agree it's never only black and white and more of a grey blur.
But its the Germans who were painted by the Slavs in the blackest colors, as the only agressors, for centuries...it's time to throw that one sided viewpoint into the bin! :)

Just think about how Poles justify the ethnical cleansing of millions of Germans..."re-taking originally polish lands"....Tja...that argument is now busted!
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [263]

Well...most of the towns are still there... ;)

As I said...that map is a sensation and will pave the way for alot of archaeological and historical bruahaha...we can only sit back and enjoy the ride! :)

I for one can't wait what they will find...

PS: But don't act as if it would be totally news even to you that the Germanic tribes (coming from the North) where living in central Europe before the Slavs immigrated there from the East.

THAT one is a mainstream acknowledged historical fact, totally independent from Ptolemy...
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [263]

But it could have too easily been fabricated/modified, what have you.

spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,720513,00.html

...
The essential question is whether the new data is accurate. Ptolemy's "Geography" is preserved only in duplication. The copy so far considered the most authentic is an edition produced around the year 1300 and kept by the Vatican.

But the team of experts in Berlin had the great fortune to be able to refer to a parchment tracked down at Topkapi Palace in Istanbul, Turkey, the former residence of the Ottoman sultans. The document, consisting of unbound sheepskin pages with writing in Roman capital letters, is the oldest edition of Ptolemy's work ever discovered. A reproduction of this version is due to be published next year.

Hard to fabricate...
Alot of people who must lie and two different copy's who say the same...another anti-polish conspiracy? ;)

a time when Germany was expanding into the east, towards *pagan* Poland and Lithuania Commonwealth. They also wanted to get into Prussia. And what better way to legitimize this great crusade to convert and destroy Slavic and Baltic people, than to claim that this land is ancient German land.

And here is the myth...Germans were pushed out before by the Slavs. The land into what they were "expanding" was german land before.

That is something that doesn't fit into the well known narrative of the nice, peaceful Slavs and the agressive Germans who always push eastwards into polish lands.

That's why this map is not openly accepted by some Poles.