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Bratwurst Boy   
19 Jan 2020
News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

They are simply afraid of the miners' rage

In Germany it's called "structural reforms"...the closing down of whole longstanding industries. It's one of the most demanding and expensive tasks for any government.

Short term minded politicians of course want to shy away from it...they have nothing to gain from it but costs and ire. Even if it will be necessary for the good of the country, they might lose the next election over it.
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

You can't get rich by receiving handouts.

That's not "handouts" or welfare...it's investment. When your industry is not able to compete you will never be able to pull your own weight. So most of this money is meant to get your economy up to par...so that you in the future no longer only export cheap laborers and in time will become an asset, maybe even a giver yourself.

West-Germany got this kind of help after WWII with the Marshall-plan and it is paid back thousandfold...East-Germany got this kind of help after the re-unification..and it ends now (end of the solidarity-tax 2021).

That's a huge difference than to pay welfare for people who can't help themselves!
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

all the solidarity that Greece has received and its economy is still in the toilet....

Welfare/Solidarity is meant to prevent the worst....starving/freezing to death on the streets! It's a generous help to absorb the worst of life's shocks which can happen to everybody.

It's granted with the case in mind that the giver can become a taker and needing this help at one time in his life too. But it is always meant SHORT TERM, only as long till you get on your own feet again. But that you have to do yourself!

When you pay for strangers welfare and the recipient keeps on receiving without any signs of getting out of it, is it your fault now?

Germany feels self-righteous

Every giver feels self-righteous...and every taker feels not only gratefulness but also resentment....it' only human!

Greece is still poorer than it was before the euro.... a contradiction.

Now that is just a lie!

It doesn't even matter who's right and who's wrong

It matters alot!

tear the EU apart or simply turn it into a de facto German economic crypto-empire.

Only if the welfare recipients really truly want to stop the welfare...thinking they would be better off without!

The only ones tearing the EU apart could be the givers stop wanting to provide solidarity/welfare...
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

You can't enforce austerity and preach solidarity at the same time.

Solidarity by strangers for strangers is called welfare, maf!

There is a limit people are willing to pay for non-family members to support them. It's hard to convince someone who has to struggle himself to pay for far away peoples privileges. Solidarity can't be ordered at will, people will start to balk! Austerity of the recipient is the price to pay to keep up that solidarity! (And the biggest motive to end that dependency).
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

So those doomed to eternal austerity

Again, that is not something the EU can change...it isn't a federation as of yet, and won't be for awhile. If you mean the EURO membership, that is another thing altogether and of course that needs different rules.

And btw. there is no "doomed to eternal austerity"...there is just bad economy and bad monetary decisions...

Poland is going to tell them to stop talking nonsense.

Why? Been invaded recently? ;)

Plus, we might mention the fork (as a bonus)

I want to have a front row seat for that discussion (+ popcorn)... :)
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

By welfare state!

Quite the contrary. I think the most unregulated phase of globalism is nearing it's end...but then I can only speak from a german point of view where right now bundles of new social initiatives are planned, decided and agreed upon.

But again, that is not an EU thing...all member states make still their own social policies.

There is some stuff nonetheless:

eurofound.europa.eu/topic/social-policies
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

so we are certainly able to afford nuclear weapons.

But how about the political price? It's worse than building an nuclear reactor directly at your border. Because if something goes wrong your neighbour is paying the price...so he will be pissed!

In the EU Poland will get alot pissed off neighbours...and the French won't like that at all..
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

There doesn't have to be a "core".

Maybe...the naming could be handled differently. But analysts expect the future...not-core....to consist of mainly the same cluster of countries which made up the founders of the EU. With some assorted plus who are able and most important willing to cross-link themselves into a federation (which will probably named differently too).

We will know the answer 10 years from now when Berlin and Paris are begging London to save them

From what?

Maybe the EU is more a continental thing...it was founded without London after all....

(But I expect totally the EU federation football team to beat the english team!!! :) After all wie would have the best Spaniards, Portugese, Dutch, French or German players and trainers!!!
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Big empires

Big Empires had exactly ONE top dog, Milo! Big difference :)

Unions are the next step...the industry is only the beginning. Most big players play globally and are multi-national by now...that is the future.

You don't want to play that game? You will fall behind...that's the alternative!

The EU doesn't have to be like Borg

Agreed!

The "one blanket" approach worked well in the beginning, for a culturally close core....but with so many so different members it's not possible anymore...and it doesn't has to.

Thing is that from Poland come mixed messages...they WANT to belong to this "core" but would still rather prefer the economical club, that's why they are fighting the idea of an "EU of different speeds" as it is also sometimes called...that is a question which Poland needs to find a solution for in the coming years...

A huge old dinosaur

Heh:) In the age of globalism the EU is the most modern thing in Europe! :)

Nationalism and national states acting only alone by itself are the "huge old dinosaur" here...in the same way horses had been at the dawn of the automobile!

But they are known and trusted and you know how to handle your horse and that "new thing" is still so strange...and so loud...and stinks....and get's people killed! And why the heck would people need to go so fast from point a to point b? Nobody needs that! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

And most Europeans are so blind that they don't see it!

They hear it but they know it's crap!

There is no world conspiracy of a powerful circle (mostly Jews of course) do steer the poor unsuspecting sheep into their direction....there just isn't!

You can fight against globalism's most unregulated features as you want and it would be good fight...but to fight globalism is like fighting the Internet, industrial revolution..or the printing machine....or the car...or the electricity...or even earlier the wheel.

It's the next step in our technological development! Alone it's possibilities is changing the world we are living in...it enables people and goods and ideas to wander in a till now unknown scale.

And during all aforementioned ages and developments there had been those who where scared and wished the "new stuff" away and the old times back...to no avail.

People will mix, borders will become less important, national states will grow into bigger unions...but that is a process we only see the beginning...our children and grand children will see it fully come to pass, but for them it will be a reality...nothing to be scared about. They don't know any differently anymore...

To say people are blind to that is wrong, most just come to different conclusions!

To make it all "go away" can only mean isolation, closed borders, only controlled contact with the outside world, censored internet etc....most people just don't want THAT (if they are given a choice)!

PS: Globalism is in no way neo-marxist (whatever that is)....it means foremost profit for those who seek lower labor costs and higher profits.

Also the EU's abject refusal to clearly identify its own nature. International organization? Confederacy? Federation in the making?

Because it's not "the EU" which decides about that, it's the members who struggle to clear that up because...*gulp*...there are many different opinions about that!

(Can you believe it! No allmighty mastermind behind all that!!!)

There are those who want a closer circle to develop into a federation...and there are those who don't want to....who would like to keep it as an economical club mainly.

I personally think those who want to cooperate more closely should do so and those who don't want to can stay out...and it seems that is the direction "the EU" will go in the end.

That's why the principle of unanimity was all but scrapped (after the Brexit referendum) only for those most important questions (like taking in new members and such). Now common projects can be worked on together by those who want to take part, whereas others can abstain.... In the long run it will lead to differently strong networks inside the Union.
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Maybe such kind of critics don't criticize the EU so much as rather Germany....and Germany's role in the EU. They are just germanophobic!

(As some Brexiters like to say: "We won 2 World Wars why are they ruling us now, dammit!!!")

I wonder if the EU would be more palatable to them if Germany would just leave?

But where would that leave Germany?
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

She is the Supreme Chancellor of the German Fourth Reich,

....yeah....but she will probably gone next year....(not quite voluntarily if the current gov coalition breaks up)....what then?

Who will become your next boogeyman?

Does it have to be a German???

That's what I really don't get about the EU critics - can't they get their criticism (sometimes justified) across without resorting to such nonsense?

A question of mine too!

If you go by such critics the EU can't be that bad....
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

I doubt there is such a thing as "100% benign"...it's always about how to get the most advantages out of something. And right now the EU and also the liberal market economy + democracy is our best bet...it keeps more people quite comfortable than any other known alternatives..

So...till the critics come up with a better concept I keep (and fight for) what enables me to live a reasonable free, self-determined, well off, peaceful and secure life, thank you!

(The alternatives I know of and have lived through all suck compared to what we have)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Apart of that, out of 27 members there are those who have more to say than the others

And you know why they have more "say"? Better networking....being longer member still helps too....they are net payer....taking over responsibilities...that all Poland could do too...SHOULD too, instead of pouting in a corner and throwing tantrums....THAT won't gain you any support aka influence at all.

A union is for teamplayers!

"Vassals"....interesting choice of words for members who have all the same rights and duties...

What do you think will happen to Poland outside the EU? With a Poland which nobody gives a sh'it about...sure, you would have alot less duties, but alot less rights too and no vote at all.

You think of the union members as vassals? That's the future for Poland alone...you WILL become another ones vassal...again...all you will be able to do is saying THANK YOU to the few crumbs falling from the table of the big guys.

I have news for you, if you don't "make it" inside the EU, where you sit as equal on the table, you won't make it at all outside!

Poland, pay with your culture and your traditions

Did you? If so that has totally gone lost on me...and I apologize!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

We have to protect ourselves from a destructive and demoralizing ideological side of the EU....

You know that the EU consists of 27 totally different members (after Brexit), don't you?

Is it Poland against all other 26 member states? Are they all following a destructive and demoralizing ideological side?

Don't you think that protection would work better from INSIDE the EU? Changing things for the better through smart networking and policing?

What exactly do you mean when you shout such easy slogans?

I mean do you really think the advantages of the Single Market will come by so easily for Poland? Without compromising and paying for that privilege?
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Not being able to match economical prowess with an with appriopate cultural influence is a big problem. For everyone involved.

Why now?

It seems Poland does alot to keep it that way purposely...the WWII is never far from the polish mind...the Pole of today must be always stay alert...against an over mighty Germany and the big russian bear, isn't that so Iron?

Where should the sympathy or interest come from with such a mindset?

PS: I bet I was the first German you ever had a long(er) standing contact and talks with...usually your knowledge of Germany comes from history teachings, am I right?
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Jan 2020
News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

As someone pointed out Germany have no soft power to go with their economical influence and that is a problem, a big F problem.

I'm sure that if Germany would have any more soft power alot of Poles on PF would complain about a "take over"....

The same way parents all over Europe complain about their kids preferring english language, english songs, english movies, english fashion...at the same time "forgetting" or purposely ignoring about old national traditions etc....:)

Just imagine the polish/german teenagers running around in Nike's, with the jeans hanging down to the knees, listening to that black rapper, speaking some kind of ghetto-slang and believing themselves to be sooo cool...

Is that this "soft power" you mean?

Thing is the Brits don't have their culture and their language for their own anymore...in every country it gets bastardized and mixed and changes....