News / New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ... [343]


They can do what they want as long as it is consentual...

But who teaches "gayism" in the first place??? Where???


I think declaring whole regions as LGBT-frei means alot more than that....

What happen's to the gay kid which pops out in such a zone and waves friendly? Teared and feathered? Or stoned first? Then a camp? Or expellation? What?

News / New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ... [343]


So, what was first...the egg or the chicken?

In most other countries open LGBT are the norm as are foreigners....they are visible...makes them easier scapegoats for nutters....different to Poland where they have to hide in funny regions called "LGBT free zones"!

And if they don't want to hide and live in fear they leave....many of them coming to Germany and other western countries.

Are you proud of that?

Excuse me...called out by the world like THAT is embarassing:


bbc.com/news/world-europe-54317902

Poland...Europe's "Bible Belt"!

News / New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ... [343]

Well...not my spot....it's Poland which get's a bad name!

What should I care...

News / New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ... [343]

Well...that would fit the thread header quite nicely....what can one say....


...and here I keep scratching my head and wondering why you seem to not like that idea of a Kaliphate really much. After all you would fit in even better in a Kaliphate! All that terrorizing and hunting and stoning and killing of LGBT people and Jews...wouldn't that be great?

Kaliphate Poland...a wet dream come true! Right?

Oh...wait...it's that most of these are brown and muslim people, ja? That's the problem??? You wish it would be white and christian people alone doing that?

News / New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ... [343]

Dirk, I'm sure Jamel is Juden- und Homo-Frei! Maybe you should start looking for property there...

News / New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ... [343]


Do you have some numbers to support your opinion?

Because I only found that survey (June 2020):


statista.com/statistics/1127145/poland-attitude-towards-lgbt/

After that there is a majority of about 64,28% having either neutral or positive feelings about that term....

News / New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ... [343]

Not so funny....seriously!

Police clash with neo-Nazis and homophobic thugs as thousands swamp the streets for banned far right march

uk.news.yahoo.com/police-clash-neo-nazis-homophobic-142159583.html

News / New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ... [343]


Huh?

Just in case:

consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council/

It's hardly (Germany) only...

....It has sparked stiff resistance in Warsaw and Budapest, where right-wing governments are adamantly opposed to a tool that could cause them to lose EU money if they continue with policies seen as eroding democratic standards.

But EU ambassadors voted by a qualified majority - around two-thirds - in favor of the rule of law mechanism despite their objections...

france24.com/en/europe/20201117-poland-hungary-veto-eu-budget-over-new-rules-linking-funding-to-rule-of-law


About Jamel...about 35 people are living there.....and no, I don't know of any other of it's kind!

Definitely not enough for a parade....

Life / So if Poland is apparently "97% Polish" according to official statistics, what is the other 3%? [68]


You can't possible know how a current Sarmatia would look like....only wishful thinking....

People are people, making misery out of the best ideas!

Life / So if Poland is apparently "97% Polish" according to official statistics, what is the other 3%? [68]

Germans with a german ID?

News / How do Poles feel about Biden? [59]


I only hope together we will counterbalance China...I wouldn't want a president Biden to become cuddly with Peking again.

If Russia starts licking chinese boots then we will have a problem...all of Europe, Serbs too!

News / How do Poles feel about Biden? [59]


....you could be surprised though. As far as I know the Democrats want Germany to raise its NATO contribution and to scrap Nordstream too.

Biden will only be alot nicer about that, which will make it much harder for Merkel to ignore him, as she just congratulated him this morning...

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]

But they were quite anti-semitic in nature too, that's the problem. The leftist 68er were (mainly) fans of the PLO and it's fight against the jewish state, not to mention the support by the RAF (kidnapping of airlines and killings of jewish passengers).

IMHO The 68er movement was the death blow to the old german Nazis...but, and that's also the point I was trying to make...with this generation it was "safe" to do so, the old Nazis getting really old, dying off...the horrors far in the past....sons and daughters rebelling against their parent generation as it is natural.

But that had not much to do with acknowledgement and re-processing (?) of the Holocaust...I think....

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]

Well...to be fair a lot of that wasn't the fault of the Germans...especially in East Germany the crimes and horrors and suffering of the Russian people had been a big topic but otherwise the East-Germans, the Poles and all others in the Eastern bloc were all friends and brothers and comrades now under Moscow's benevolent eye...there was no place for the polish-russian or german-polish grievances or russian crimes or lost territories and similiar "squabbles"....the bad guys/the Nazis were all in the West, our new common enemy! Remember?

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


It brought the horrors of Nazi crimes into people's living rooms and turned the word "Holocaust" into a commonly-used term in the German language.

This was the first time that a major mainstream drama had portrayed the lives of Hitler's victims.

A few months after the series was broadcast, Germany scrapped the statute of limitations for murder, to enable Nazis to be tried for their participation in the Holocaust

bbc.com/news/world-europe-47042244

Gruni....that was 1979....not 1945!

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


What makes you think that?

spiegel.de/international/germany/from-dictatorship-to-democracy-the-role-ex-nazis-played-in-early-west-germany-a-810207.html

businessinsider.com/former-nazi-officials-in-germany-post-world-war-ii-government-2016-10?r=DE&IR=T

There was no HIAG in East Germany, there was definitely no Vertriebenen-Verband in East Germany etc., etc., etc.,....the old Nazis in the GDR were now all in the SED... the torch marches, the uniforms, the oath to the destroy their "enemies" were not that different after all...and the mindset was the same!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIAG

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Expellees

What you are probably thinking of came a generation later, as the old Nazis retired and died off...as their children and grandchildren startet to get interested, as it was safe to do so because that history became far removed, physically and psychologically.

For example the first real exposure to the horrors of the holocaust happend for most Germans not in school or some "denazification" measure by the occupying forces but some TV mini-series aptly named "Holocaust"...in 1978.

I read that was the moment as many younger Germans started as questioning their elders...that started a flood of articles, books and more movies....but before that? Not much...and that was about the Jews!

My own exposure to WWII happened in school, a former inmate of Ravensbrück told us schoolchildren from the horrors of the camps, we visited Buchenwald...our heroes were communists like Thälmann and our soviet communist liberators...Jews not so much.

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


....all Poles! :)

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]

It doesn't stop you from hating all things German....shows the stupidity of that!

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]

Ich bin ein Pfannkuchen! :)

Poles are essentially Germans...only more religious I think....most Germans (especially East Germans) are not. I generally think East Germans have alot more in common with western Poles than with many West Germans...decades behind the Iron Curtain, sharing the same fate, can do that to people...

The divide in Germany is mostly between the North (prussian, protestant) and the South (catholic, not prussian:) and recently between East and West....Bavarians are alot closer to Austrians for example than to Saxons or Thuringians...

"The Germans" don't exist and I think there are no "The Poles" either...

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]


Heh:):):) There are no coincidences....so I've heard...it's all in the big plan! :)

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

Stuff for another thread, Spike....

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

But this here is the official appeal from the german Poland institute from 2017:

deutsches-polen-institut.de/politik/polendenkmal/

deutsches-polen-institut.de/assets/downloads/Polendenkmal/Aufruf-Polendenkmal.pdf

And this is the list of the signees:
(Alot of high ranking politicians have been part of this)

deutsches-polen-institut.de/assets/Uploads/Unterzeichner-Polendenkmal18.pdf

All in german though...is there some stuff in polish???

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]


Heh:) I hoped THAT would lure you out.... :):):)

I read that decision is a consequence of a discussion holocaust survivor and foreign minister Władysław Bartoszewski once started....

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

Na ja...that's rather german-centric, don't you think? Nothing directly about the polish victims...

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

Well....IMHO that photo in Warsaw has become already a political icon, as in "Bilder sagen mehr als Worte!" :)

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

Nothing beats Brandt's "Kniefall" though....especially as back then capitalist West Germany and communist Poland had been officially enemies once again, and all was still fresh with most survivors still around!

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

Yeah...one of the better decision by the Bundestag! :)

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

Honestly? I have no idea....I'm searching the net but there is nothing....even the AfD twitter account who comments usually continuously everything is totally ignoring this...hmm...

I only know that 2019 there was a memorial spat between the AfD and Poland as an AfD politician financed a memorial stone for German soldiers and Freikorps members fallen in WWI and WWII in Upper Silesia (Bytom/Beuthen), which the polish gov then removed quickly....

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/von-afd-parlamentarier-mitfinanziert-polen-entfernt-gedenkstein-fuer-freikorps-a-1298279.html

Maybe an act of a tit for a tat? *shrugs*

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

I guess before that will come a contest for the best concept....I read that the "Askanische Platz" in Kreuzberg is in the talks.

deutschlandfunkkultur.de/denkmal-projekt-in-berlin-erinnern-an-polnische-opfer-der.2165.de.html?dram:article_id=457389

But till now it had been only talks and wishes, only from now on the planning and conception and discussion about how and where can truly begin....I could imagine that Poland would want to butt in with the plans, maybe veteran and survivor unions will want to get heard too...