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Fukushima nearly threw one of the world's most developed economies back to the Stone Age.

Japan got lucky it was an oceanside plant, and most of the radiation ended up killing fish and crabs - not humans.

Germany is the same size as Japan, and equally as dense.

A nuclear meltdown in Germany, would almost certainly "disable" the German economy.

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What I am trying to say is... Fukushima was truly a seismic event - and it didn't "happen to all of us", but specifically to Japan and very nearly wiped out its economy.

Remember - that Chernobyl happened 39 years ago, and yet still thousands of square kilometers of Ukrainian territory are off limits - within the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone.

I understand the desire to demonize Merkel - but for fairness' sake it's important to appreciate the full context in which the decision was made.

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Not exactly how it happened.

She inherited the plans to shut down nuclear power generation from the Schroeder government. As a nuclear physicist, herself, she was an opponent of the phase out.

She extended the shut down schedule by a good 10-15 years - initially. Really, enough time to kill the initiative entirely, which was probably her plan.

It was Fukushima which forced her to do a 180.


Still less than Erdogan, by a large margin.

If one of the poorest countries in Europe can take in 3 million plus Syrian refugees - how can the richest country simply stand by?

Merkel and European friends actually did a lot to ensure that most of the refugees stay in Turkey, and don't keep moving west.

But not taking any refugees at all was not an option. Erdogan would have simply opened the borders, and flooded Europe with the full amount. Otherwise his Turkish economy would have imploded from the strain of hosting so many people.

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@mafketis

Very contradictory messages between Maf and Neuf.

Neuf's messages seem to indicate we prepared poorly.

Maf suggests a more fundamental miscalculation was made.

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Bobko's simple point still stands - a bunch of rich Westerners dumped a ton of weapons and cash on the Ukrainians.

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They would have finished Ukraine in 48 hours - if your governments did not decide that this was some kind of apocalyptic challenge to their established order.

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@cms neuf

We would have finished the job three years ago, if you lot didn't feel it was your job to get involved.

Many people would still be alive today.

On your conscience all this death.

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I really think you do not want people such as Velund, climbing into tanks and preparing for death.

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I could and would do this. But these Poles, except for some mentally sick ones - they don't cheer the death of our people.

It's inevitably the expats. Who have no stake. Who have no history. Who will not have to suffer the consequences.

They are cartoon characters - and to take them seriously is to kid oneself.

We have to speak to Poles, and Poles only. Not the foreign elements living within.

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No.

He must be put in a cage, and paraded through every town and village in Russia - on his knees - with a dog leash under his neck.

With every Russian grandmother and grandfather throwing a rotten piece of cabbage at his face.

He is a traitor, and a dog. He must be treated as a dog - he does not deserve a merciful bomb on his head.

He must beg on his knees for the pain and loss he has caused.

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Kania would have certainly had no hand in bringing about the situation, where we look at each other only through tank sights.

Neither would personalities like Maf and CMS Neuf.

We are small people, living in a big world.

Our best chance is to be human with each other.

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Speaking in an exclusively personal capacity - I very much enjoy the conversation between the two different Ironsides.

Reminds me of Old PF.

Whoever you are, Ajronsajdz - I hope you stick around.

I suspect even old Ironside enjoys the banter.

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You may as well post updates from Mickey Mouse and Daffy Duck.

They won't read what Montyan writes - even though they should.

The way to talk to these foreigners, is mystically.

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Мужику 70 лет - а выглядит лучше чем я....

Jokes aside - the man is a giant. Probably the best author we have alive, right now. A true Russian writer.

It's a miracle he still manages to even exist.

Head and shoulders above Pelevin, and Prilepin (who now spends all his time in the Donbass).

A supernova, a heavy magnetar star - compared to clowns like Akunin, Bykov, Limonov, Minayev, etc.

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@Torq

Congratulations.

Thanks to you I just watched 5 minutes of Sorokin's interview, and now I am completely depressed.

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Сорокин sits in Berlin, like a bourgeois pig - making vague pronouncements about what is to come.

He has no longer any right to read us lectures.

Look at this interview (his first in... forever):

The guy interviewing him is perhaps Russia's most famous film critic. A guy who is not stupid himself. So the interview turns out rather well.

This is not the Sorokin that we knew.

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All these are good reasons... but I feel you are missing the most important ones.

That is, that:

1) Close to $350 billion dollars of aid have been provided to Ukraine. Contrast this with the $3-4B that Israel receives annually from America, and about which the whole world complains.

2) America and Europe have made available their constellations of spy satellites, reconnaissance aircraft, and special forces operators to assist Ukraine.

3) America and Europe have emptied their weapon stockpiles, and handed everything over to Ukraine.

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I think these factors, explain everything much better, than any concrete fortifications or presence of relatives.

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This tells me something is rotten in the Kingdom of Poland... for each citizen of a good republic must want to be kissed on the stomach by his leader.

The thought of Putin blowing raspberries on my stomach... gives me indescribable joy.

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When I was younger, I wanted to ride on Putin's stallion - bare chested - as we witnessed the glory of God's creation in the endless expanses of Siberia.

To help our leader guide the storks on their winter migration, in his delta plane.

To dive with him, for Greek amphorae in the bays of Sevastopol.

Now - all I want is to be kissed on the stomach by the Eternal One.

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I think a solid "51".

I'm smarter than the bottom half of real dummies.

But still confidently below those august and enlightened individuals who drive our societies forward.

I'm a passenger - in the most essential sense. I'm just along for the ride, and up for whatever adventure.

I don't pretend to know what's up, and what we gotta do next.

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You know me, Maf, as even my own wife does not know me.

It's true - buried deep within - is a flame. A flame of passion.


That young gentleman could not be born earlier than 1999. At least a decade too late to be yours truly...

But do I want Putin to kiss me on my tummy? Yes... and why not?!

Does a Frenchman not want to be kissed on the belly button by Macron?

Does a German not want to be rocked to sleep by Merz?

Can an American go through a day, without seeing the visage of the Sun-Like one on FoxNews or MSNBC?

We are all human, in the end.

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Yes, the meek will inherit the Earth - but not her mineral rights.


I never purported to feel sexual attraction towards Putin.


You sound just like a woman - I SWEAR TO GOD!

Spouting all this nonsense about fairness, and equity, and moral principles. Are you a Pole or some Luxembourger? Next you will begin to tell me that disabled people deserve protection, and that how we treat our older people is a good indication of our moral virtue as a society. Enough!

Speak like a man! Otherwise go back to your corner and be quiet. You are sounding too much like a battered wife.

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Sometimes you sound like a reincarnation of Pilsudski and Dmowski combined - and sometimes you sound like a little frightened chicken.

What gives?

What kind of a Polish patriot are you - if you have to hide behind these pathetic arguments?

You don't believe that the strong deserve to rule the Earth? What kind of conservative are you?

You think mere words, are enough to stop artillery guns and missiles? Are you a child?

You talk of "right to exist" as if you are some woman on her period, right after exiting a "social justice" class.

You are very emotional Korvinus. Is everything ok with your hormone balance?

I respected you as some hardline Polish nationalist, but sometimes you sound like a 16 year old girl from Beverly Hills - and this is very confusing.

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BB... did you not get enough of these articles in 2022-2023? You are beginning to sound like Miloslaw...

At this point, you should have learned the usual rhythm and "swing" of Western media - as far as it concerns the conflict in Ukraine.

They oscillate between "Russia is finished" and "Russia is about to invade NATO" - with a frequency of about once every few months.

God knows what the purpose of these wild swings is, but I suspect a large part of it is intended simply to keep readers engaged (rather than some grand warmongering conspiracy).

Russia is neither "finished", nor "about to win".

Trump deciding to "get serious" with Russia, should also not phase experienced observers. Biden was "serious", over a longer period of time, and more explicitly.

Putin and Co. can survive whatever Trump throws their way - at least for some period of time. So don't expect quick results or rapid shifts in position.

Kremlin and friends spent more than half a trillion dollars, and hundreds of thousands of lives on this war - they won't fold "simply because".

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Precisely.


The charisma of Russian leaders at that time will play an important role.

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Not a Poland that has been violently ripped out of its conventional economic relationships.

Poland will lose all 35 years of prosperous development, and end up at a level it had not experienced even in 1989. All this burden - will lay down flat on the Russian federal budget.

Geniuses like Putin, will of course make it our collective job to ensure that Poland "does not live worse than the developed West".

This will begin with our familiar tools - "let's give the Poles essentially free energy - we have a lot." Then, "Let's lend the Poles $50-60B dollars, to shore up their economy - we got nothing to invest in anyway".

Eventually - nothing will work, the Poles will be angry at us, and Russians will be angry at Putin.

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No - I am trying to convince my compatriots that conquering and feeding Poland is a fool's errand. That, this amount of investment and effort should be dedicated to improving the lives of our countrymen instead.

"Feeding Poland" sounds like a punishment, if anything.

The alternative to feeding Poland (if we are to conquer this place), is ethnic cleansing and genocide. Not sure how many people have the stomach for this exercise.

Killing women and children only sounds "easy", but in reality it's very hard.

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Whoah!

I would have loved to be there.

I hope Rich lives to 120, and continues to write here until then.

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We need a friendly Poland.

In general - we need a friendly East. In addition to Slovakia and Hungary with whom we are bosom buddies, we need good relations with the Poles and Bulgarians.

Romania can go f*ck itself.

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The way to be friendly with Poland is to let their relationship with Ukraine and with the EU run its course.

The more we intervene, the worse we make it for ourselves.

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What will we do with Poland, once we "have" it?

In Russian, there is a phrase - «чемодан без ручки» - or a "suitcase without a handle". That's what Poland would be for us.

Torn away from the Brussels teat, from their familiar markets, and established industrial cooperations - Poland will be ours to feed. How will you feed 38 million of them?

By taking from Russians, and giving to Poles? We already had such geniuses - like Stalin - that sent resources to our "socialist brothers" even as Russians starved to death.

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I think if invading Poland is a discussion people want to have - then it has to be pragmatic. You have to answer the three questions:

1) Why?
2) How?
3) Will we be able to keep it?
4) What benefit accrues to Russia and Russians at large?