News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [601]


Yes, I stupidly forgot to put in the quotation marks... oh no! Actually I did include the quotation marks which you ignored.

whole thing is here:

snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-10-year-old-rape/

a hypothetical in which the pregnancy could be delivered with no harm to the mother.

It's a position I disagree with but 'divisive' only to those unable to tolerate different points of view.

I won't answer anything until you've had a chance to see the broader context.

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [601]


Context.... helpfully left out by Feniks

"If cesarean section is not going to save the mother's life, and the mother's life is actually at risk, which is debated amongst growing numbers of OB-GYNs, that is the only case where abortion should be allowed. But, it is a growing consensus in the pro-life world that abortion is never medically necessary."

So the assumption is that the baby could be delivered without harming the mother.

Again, a common view among anti-abortion rights people.

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [601]


We've had posters here say basically the same thing....

It's a position that I wildly disagree with but it's in line with a lot of paleo-conservatives.

Try again.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 26 [1183]


He's a ridiculously stupid man and being a dictator for so long has only made him stupider... he had street smarts but the position of dictator eats away at a person's brain faster than acid would....

They've already spotted little green men in Estonia and there has been a mostly ignored military build up on the borders of the Baltics.

The logic, such as it is, of the putin regime is that it _has_ to directly confront NATO and too many sad sacks in the west are just kind of hoping that decisive action won't be called for.

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [601]


If you work in medicine and publicly announce your intention to not treat (or to harm) potential patients based on their politics... then you should be fired.

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [601]

I'm still waiting for an example (in the form of a quote, in context) of anything he said that was unreasonable....

I might disagree with some of the things he said since I'm neither conservative or christian but people accusing him of being divisive or using hate speech just come across as demented and/or ill-intentioned.

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [254]


Forget 1956 (now Orban seems to agree with russia that it was a 'fascist rebellion'....)

Hungary has never gotten over Trianon. It's been revealed Hungarian troops massed along the border with Ukraine at war's start and if Kyiv had fallen they would have invaded from the west to get Kárpátalja (Zakarpacie) and Hungarian agents have since been in the area trying to guage public reactions to a potential Hungarian invasion...

Should Orban manage to overturn even a minor part of Trianon he'd be a national hero 10 times what putin was after the Crimean invasion.

So there's that....

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [254]


Here introvert trumps philanthrop.... the office of US president can only be effectively filled by an extrovert.

Food / Poland-Tea or coffee land? [165]


It's the caffeine that's addictive, coffee is just the carrier.

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


Oh reeeeelllly?

x.com/maxtempers/status/1826904126418006418

x.com/jonatanpallesen/status/1976646640753635485

Many such cases.....

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


I've been following the story of non-western migration to Europe since before 2010... it's been a rolling disaster everywhere it's been established.


Exactly. But a lot of people think it's being dealt with when it isn't.

Poland is not affected yet partly because of the weak social benefit system and the fact that those who arrive are mostly here to work.

But how long will that be the case?

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


Civil society (quick over-simplified definition: "the elements such as freedom of speech, an independent judiciary, etc, that make up a democratic society"

Equality between the sexes

Equality before the law

Separation of church and state

Freedom of Expression

Secular education

Low crime and effective police

The migrants flooding into Europe at present have major gaps in some or most of those areas... and do not respect those values and want to impose their own

Hierarchical relations betwen the sexes (and minimal participation of women in public life), rights by religion, legal norms by religion, restrictions on free expression (blasphemy laws) and the crime rate of migrants are off the charts compared to the indigenous peoples of Europe.

You're okay with Rotherham?

Non-western migrants in Europe commit rape at 580 % the rate of the original populations?

You're okay with that?

Just because it hasn't affected you yet doesn't mean it won't....

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [254]


If that ends up being true then that goes to the next period since the last nomination period ended in January.

I agree that awarding Obama was about the stupidest award I've ever heard of... clearly they were trying to say 'please don't invade any countries!' but Obama was a terrible president because he's an introverted misanthrope and the job calls for an extroverted philanthropic type with tough spine.

News / How will Polish-American relations change if Trump is elected president again? [812]


You're both kind of right.... Venezuelans keep voting for socialism and then try to run away from the consequences.... doesn't make sense but.... !Bienvenidos a America Latina!

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [601]


Exactly! I watched a video that was supposedly "divisive" things that Kirk said and... they were actually very reasonably. I might quibble with the wording but nothing was wrong or weird of 'hateful' about the basic message.

People are reacting to an imagined version of him and not the real man.

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


Look at the countries they're coming from. In every country they arrive in they try to impose their own norms....

Why would they stop?

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


The no more Europe.... those coming are unwilling and/or unable to maintain European societies. End of womens' rights, gay rights, secular education, return of slavery.... Why is this something that should just be accepted?

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


Only if we let it.

People who don't want a solution will find any solution to be unacceptable (brexit and northern ireland all over again....).


Yes, feed and clothe him before putting him on a plane back to his own country. I agree.

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


Is that controlled for continent of origin?


Well I'm not a catholic (or christian) so I don't feel any moral obligation to facilitate him becoming an economic and social burden on Poland or some other country.

For every migrant you help.... that just ends up encouraging two more to take their place...

How is that sustainable? I keep asking migration supporters about sustainability and I've yet to get anything resembling an answer....

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


Odds are not in his favor.... even if that's what he wants to be most arivals in Europe aren't really qualified for.... anything..... half of Germany's welfare payments go to non-citizens.... how is that sustainable? By bringing in even more?


What about just cases where that's feasible?

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


I'd most like to see him fed in custody and sent back to his own country. He's far more likely to have a better life there than in Europe as a welfare leech....


Should he be held responsible for his poor judgement or are you a believer in the White Man's Burden?

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


Why 'hopefully'? Those who make it to the Belarussian border were not hard up or poor in their own country. It costs a lot for Belarus to let them in....

Guilty of poor judgement in going to Europe in the first place and his intentions toward the country he hopes to arrive in (probably Germany) are almost certainly not to contribute but to take resources that should be going to German taxpayers....

The third world produces too much dysfunction for Europe to cure and the sooner the flow of rent seekers is stopped the better.

Off-Topic / Habemus Papam / The New Pope [103]


The church is leftwing in terms of some policies (redistribution of wealth, helping the poor etc) and rightwing in others (sanctity of marriage, anti-abortion etc).

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [601]


Worked for Malcom X.... a nobody in life whose 'autobiography' published over a half a year after he was murdered by rival black nationalists turned him into a saint....

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [601]

Can anyone give a concrete example of Charlie Kirk being mean or abusive to an interlocutor? Or of spouting hate or any of the other things he's charged with?

He was basically a paleo-conservative with views to match. I'm very far from being a paleo-conservative and am skeptical of its value in the current world, but in everything I've seen he's unfailingly kind and gentle with people he's talking to.


I should hope so!

Remember 'cutting sessions'? Jazz musicians would compete with each other in after hours meetings. You had to be top notch to take part at all and there was no dishonor in losing (wiho won and who lost would be very obvious to all present). Many famous players would relish times that the other players out did them.

So... any links to relevant parts of him being outdebated? Any evidence he was upset by that?

Classifieds / Need Food And Clothes [82]


So he can be a parasite there.... the chances of him being able to integrate and find and keep a job are..... minimal.

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [601]


You've never given any indication that you've actually listened to him speak at any length (as opposed to edited and massaged excerpts)

Anyone who can listen to half an hour or so (one go, not excerpts cobbled together) and find him objectionable is in political koo koo land.

Language / Polish slang phrases - most popular. [630]


But many people say 'tą' and that's now considered acceptable in informal speech and maybe in informal writing (by Miodek or Bralczyk IIRC). New forms first enter speech as being 'incorrect' then are okay in casual speech and then eventually are accepted more broadly. That's how languages work.

Language / Polish slang phrases - most popular. [630]


I was responding to #605 which had the question: "how do u say "lets get high" as in smoking"

I offered a possible answer which people in Poland recognize and maybe some in Polonia don't.

I wouldn't say jarać się is slang, it's informal colloquial (potoczny) usage. I've heard it on Polish tv (including years ago).

slang tends to be restricted to groups (based on age or other factors) and tends to be very unstable

informal colloquial usage 'potoczny' is just that... how people speak informally and is much more durable and often leads to changes in what is considered correct

tą kobietę isn't slang but rather colloquial usage that is (very) slowly supplanting the official and more formal 'tę kobietę'

Normal language stuff.

Language / Polish slang phrases - most popular. [630]


Do you have much contact with modern Poland? It's not new at all (at least the use of jarać meaning 'get high' isn't new).