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delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Jon, have you seen this?



Amazing. It's from yesterday's KOD rally, and really shows the sheer volume of people on the streets.
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

An absolutely beautiful comparison made today. First picture is ulica Gagarina in Warsaw today, the second picture is from a pro-government rally in Moscow in 2012. We've been saying it before and it's more apparent than ever - Kaczyński and Putin utilise very similar tactics.


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delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Just spotted this amazing snippet on Telewizja Republika's website.

telewizjarepublika.pl/morawiecki-o-pikiecie-pod-domem-prezesa-pis-to-haniebna-manifestacja,27266.html

It is a demonstration at the home of the president of the ruling party, referring to the introduction of martial law.

These words were uttered by Kornel Morawiecki from Kukiz'15.

I didn't know that "anti-system" meant "pro-government".
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Your Goebbels=style propaganda won't change that, people here aren't that stupid.

Poor Grzegorz. The fact that someone might actually be telling the truth really does confuse you, doesn't it?

It's even funnier that you have to accuse others of Goebbels-type propaganda when PiS have been doing exactly that for years.

Because people won't buy Swetru fecker and any other of recent "projects".

Numbers are growing and your fear is evident. No amount of insults, foul language and other pathetic behaviour can change that. Mind you, it's good to show the world exactly what kind of people support PiS.
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

With your "estimations" I won't be surprised If... millions :))))

See, this is what PiS supporters don't realise. They tell so many lies that they don't know what the truth is anymore, and when the truth hits them (like yesterday with the 50,000+), they react with fear and hatred. Don't worry Grzegorz, we won't punish you for being stupid.

Dude, 42% vs 17, that what matters, the rest is pathetic small boy dick measuring contest.

What makes you think that you only have to count your success vs PO?
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Grzegorz, Grzegorz... you really don't have to repeat PiS propaganda word for word.

Don't worry though, 5,000 turned up in Gdansk today at the KOD demonstration, and who knows how many will turn up tonight outside Jarosław's house.
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Soon they will annoy normal people who are demonstrating today.

What, the 15,000? :D

A slight hilarious note about today : PiS have only attracted 15,000 to their march, as estimated by the Office of Security and Crisis Management. PiS themselves claim 80,000 and TV Republika claims 100,000. Reality? Compare the crowds from yesterday to today.
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

They weren't legitimately appointed as by ruling of the same TK, the ruling that a bill is partially OK and partially not OK is a nonsense as saying that somebody is partially pregnant.

You're obviously unfamiliar with how Constitutional Tribunals work. The job is to strike down the unconstitutional parts of laws, not the entire law. This is how civil law works, although you've already made it clear that you think that the PiS opinion is more important than the rule of law.

After all those three TK judges took active part in writing what is now recognized by themselves as unconstitutional.

What are you talking about?

Those have been elected legally, no reason for them to be culled, nor legal precedence or procedures to do so.

They have not been elected legally, as the Constitutional Tribunal ruled. The more you stick to that line, the more people will be on the streets.

They can get their mugs beaten up by the annoyed supporters of the current government if they will get fed up with the establishment brass kicking up the fuss and hysteria.

Hahahahaha. More threats, Ironside? You seem to be constantly talking about violence and hatred - is it personal, Ironside?
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

Looks like they only publish it if the polling agency gives the numbers.

Wonder why ZL hasn't decided to become a formal party, though?
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

No, Wałęsa was duly elected President of Poland for a 7 year term according to the the 1935 Polish Constitution, as recognized by the legitimate President of Poland, President Kaczorowski.

Except he wasn't, because he was elected under the rules set by the 1990 National Assembly. You seem to be struggling with this, but I'll give you a chance - can you provide any evidence that the elections were organised by the Government-in-Exile of Poland and not the Republic of Poland? I'm not talking about Kaczorowski turning up to hand over some symbols, I'm talking about actual law.

No, that gave rules for future elections, but not past ones. It could not change the fact that Wałęsa had been elected to a 7 year term in office by the people of Poland.

The 1992 Constitution is clear that Presidents serve a 5 year term. It applied from the date of enactment, which was the 8th December 1992. Wałęsa's term was therefore cut from 7 years to 5 years as a result.

Cutting the PO bureaucrats in half would be big.

Could you perhaps provide statistics as to how many bureaucrats are PO bureaucrats?

Removing the five judges who issued a subversive and illegal opinion without the quorum of judges needed to legally hear the case would be big.

And entirely illegal. Any attempt to do that would result in massive demonstrations as it would be a huge breach of the Constitution. Incidentally, the opinion wasn't illegal, nor was there any requirement for a "quorum of judges" according to the law. For a poster that calls himself "Legal Eagle", you seem to have monumental problems with Polish law.

Ending foreign media from holding a near monopoly on Poland's news media would be big.

This is hilarious, because anyone that actually knows Poland knows fine well that the media landscape is dominated by Polish companies,

Deporting subversive foreigners hostile to democracy would be big.

Not many of them here, though one Russian was deported not so long ago.

Wanting someone to resign and forcing him to are two different things.

Correct. We want him gone for abusing the Constitution and being a spineless coward.

You think KOD will be upping to street ante to 100,000, 200,00, 500,000 and then lead the storming of the presidential palace?

The numbers will grow, but there are no intentions of storming anything. Whether Duda could emotionally survive a tidal wave on the streets against him is another question, especially as his former department at UJ has turned on him.

If so, you think the government will just stand back and passively watch the goings on?

I think the government should respect the law, that's all.

Problem is, Kaczyński is all about face - and he can't stand losing it. Duda was willing to compromise, and I think it's time for him to show some balls and perform the oaths that he's legally obliged to do.
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

No one (that i know of) is attacking the legitimacy of the Polish government (they won the elections fair and square).

Indeed, there was a banner yesterday pointing out that no-one is questioning the results, we just want Duda to resign for his behaviour and that the government should accept the rule of law.

People protesting against government actions (any government) are a sign of a healthy society engaged in the political process.

Don't worry, Duda already said that he plans to take legal action against KOD for what people were saying about him. I really hope he does - it will put 500,000 on the streets!
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

If they want the partition and destruction of Poland they are going about it in the right way.

I'd be quite happy to have Poland partitioned along the lines of the 2007 election result. Kaczyński could rule unopposed in his Singaporean-style democracy, while we could be left to get on with deepening European relations.
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Putin's plan of attack is to question the legitimacy and borders of the countries between his empire and Germany.

Indeed, a lot of Russian propaganda focuses on the illegitimacy of the governments of their enemies. It was seen in Ukraine and Georgia, and similar nonsense was directed towards Poland when it became obvious that Poland had plans to source most of their fossil fuels elsewhere. It's a pretty consistent strategy.

Foreigners who anonymously attack the legitimacy of the Polish constitution should be considers as agents of Russia.

I don't think there's any other possible conclusion. It's a typical Russian-style attack, because the aim is to put doubts into minds.
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

You are a stubborn nerd I have no reason to lie about it. I'm not as I said I support RN.

That explains everything :D

As I said Delph it is not your fight.

It certainly is my fight, and I'm making it my fight.
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Ironside, why are you using such language? What scares you so much?

I know you're a diehard PiS supporter despite your claims to the contrary, but why the hatred? It was the same on the 10th - real venom and hatred for no real reason.

Interesting article in wPolityce, and strangely enough, rather different to the aggressive tone found in other articles.

wpolityce.pl/polityka/274888-koniec-niebezpiecznego-zludzenia-wyciagnac-nauki-z-feralnej-soboty?strona=1

To explain the article - it essentially points out that PiS and PiS supporters believed that the opposition was either defeated or was lying there passively. But Saturday's protests show that the opposition is capable of getting a large number of people on the streets, and that it is very dangerous to write them off as being dead. It goes on to explain that the views of many right wing commentators are dangerously wrong, and that it's also important for the government to win allies among the opposition.
delphiandomine   
13 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Yeah, I love the 2nd picture, so much pathology in one place.

More abuse of political opponents. Keep going, these things just encourage more and more on the streets ;)

Indeed cream of scum.

:D I love it, I really do.

I spoke to some old ladies today that told me that they came out to protest because of the abuse hurled by you and your types - they already lived through one system where anyone opposing was branded "scum", "traitors", "pathology' and so on - and they don't want to live in another.
delphiandomine   
12 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Simply delusional, and not what was reported or true.

First things first, I suggest you look at the law under which Wałęsa was elected. The Government-in-Exile did not hold an election, but rather the 3rd Republic of Poland did.

Kaczorowski was the legitimate president of a free Poland who attended Wałęsa's inauguration to confer power upon him.

Kaczorowski attended to symbolically transfer power, but real power was transferred by Jaruzelski. Maybe in America, it's obligatory for your President to attend these things, but here, there's no such requirement. Furthermore, Wałęsa was elected as a result of Jaruzelski resigning - the Sejm then organised new elections for the Presidency, and hence Wałęsa's authority came from the Kontrakt Sejm and Senate which agreed to amend the rules surrounding the election of the President and not the government in exile.

Wałęsa had a 7 year term as president (minimum) under the applicable constitution, so he was president in 1997 and did not approve of that alleged constitution.

If you hold that line, then you are also saying that Lech Kaczyński and Andrzej Duda are not legitimate presidents.

Somehow, can't imagine you'll find much support with that view.

Oh, hang on here.

According to your theory, Wałęsa was elected under the 1935 Constitution, right?

So how does the 1992 Small Constitution work according to your theory? He was the President as appointed by the Government-in-Exile, which means that he replaced the 1935 Constitution with the 1992 Small Constitution. Article 29 of the Small Constitution clearly lays out the rules by which Presidents are elected, and hence Wałęsa was up for re-election in 1995 according to the rules of Article 29.

Sorry "Legal Eagle", but your theory is full of holes ;)
delphiandomine   
12 Dec 2015
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

Polonius, this might interest you - ewybory.eu

It also shows how the polls were performed and if any translation into seats was made.

I don't think polls are particularly worthwhile right now though - PiS/Kukiz have enough seats between them to make sure that PiS last 4 years in government regardless.
delphiandomine   
12 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

Now now. We shouldn't expect you to understand Poland or Polish law while living in California all your life, so I guess we've been rather harsh on you.
delphiandomine   
12 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

We are at home. Fortunately so are you.

And fortunately, he will never be here.

Foreign owned media are following a foreign editorial policy of slanted, anti-democratic news.

Can you provide examples?

Not when one holds a Ph.D. in law from the oldest university East of Prague, and is the duly elected president of Poland.

First things first, a PhD is nothing special in Poland. Many people have one, and it doesn't mean very much. Secondly, Duda has been denounced in an open letter from his own faculty for abusing the Constitution.

The Polish constitution was treated as a piece of trash in 1792, 1939, 1945, and consistently throughout the communist era and Soviet occupations.

Perhaps you consider it to have been a "piece of trash", but that's only to be expected from someone that isn't Polish and has no ties to Poland.

For this reason the present constitution is of dubious legality since Wałęsa took power under the 1935 constitution from Kaczorowski, and remained as president when the 1997 constitution was enacted without his consent.

You haven't provided a single legal reference to back up this claim, so one can only assume that it's nonsense. Wałęsa did not take power from Kaczorowski, but from Jaruzelski. It's also clear that the Polish Nation appointed Wałęsa in a public vote, unlike Kaczorowski who assumed his (fictional) powers from a Constitution that was introduced in a completely undemocratic manner. I must admit - no-one in Poland regards Wałęsa as being the President.

There have been no protests reported from Poles living abroad or Polonia.

Don't worry, we're getting there. Give us time ;) One of the most important tasks right now will be to mobilise the Polonia against the events in Poland.

But the protesters cannot count on the support of the Polish nation.

Numbers are growing, Polonius.
delphiandomine   
11 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

There is no need to heed the opinion of a minority judicial opinion.

There is every need. I know you've got real problems with Polish law and that you're struggling to comprehend it, but the law is very very clear.

What you're suggesting is the kind of behaviour found in the PRL, and isn't welcome in democratic, free Poland.

Only the delusional would believe differently.

Only the person that's never lived in Poland and has no connection to Poland would believe that the Polish Constitution can be treated like a piece of trash.
delphiandomine   
11 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

The court lacked a quorum.

No such requirement in Polish law. You're clearly not very familiar with Polish law, so why are you posting such incorrect information?

Go away, read the law and come back. You might learn something.

Most people protesting tomorrow will be Poles.

Not most, virtually everyone will be.
delphiandomine   
11 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

The concept of the President as a strong chief executive is very native to Poland:

That constitution wasn't enacted legally and was adopted by a Sejm that wasn't elected fairly in the days when Europe went crazy - not exactly a good example.

Trying to claim that a document that was used for 4 years since 966 is not really proof that Poland has any interest in your American traditions.

But do try and address the legal points rather than abuse, won't you? It's not that difficult...
delphiandomine   
11 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

The bottom line is that PiS are a truly Polish party, of, by nad for the people that want only to reform the country and serve the nation.

That's why they appointed a PZPR/PRL public prosecutor that actively took part in the persecution of dissidents to lead the Commission for Human Rights, is it? Is it also why many of them come from PZPR backgrounds and why they're actively destroying the nation, such as ordering the cutting of considerable amounts of the last primeval forest in Europe? PiS aren't truly Polish at all - they even want to allow America to base their forces here, ensuring that Poland remains a vassal and nothing more.

By the way, even the real right wing thinks that PiS isn't truly Polish - have you seen this?
wolna-polska.pl/wiadomosci/smierc-prezydenta-andrzeja-dudy-2015-12

PO are not even a bona fide party but an agent of foreign interests that want to serve their well-paying masters.

PO care far more about Poland than PiS ever will. PiS only care about how much money they can get into their pockets while pretending to be patriotic.
delphiandomine   
10 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

See, this is exactly what the Communists did. They claimed that the opposition wasn't valid and legitimate for various reasons, then used their control of the security forces to beat them down and out.

With the TK - you do realise that you can't just break the Constitution because you don't like it?

Duda certainly looks like he's seen a ghost recently, no doubt because he's realising that prison will be a very humiliating place for him.
delphiandomine   
10 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

nah..its about you being a hypocrite.you and your kind have had chance to protest and "defend democracy" 48 times during PO rule.but you dint say nothing so now,you guys should shut up

We won't shut up. More and more people are gathering, and people like you won't tell us what to do.

That is true but now that the barricade is set up and antagonists lined up on either side the judges know which side their bread is buttered on.

The situation isn't so simple. The Constitutional Tribunal cannot sit in full session until PiS stop behaving like children and obey the rulings.

Polonius, can you explain for PiS (given that their spokesman did such a terrible job in front of the TK) why PiS can't simply obey the rulings and get on with things?