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Yes, they menstruate and can have babies.


'Uncool' maybe however he's not a boomer in the western sense and isn't agressive.

You'd do well to chill out though.

And this has descended into a transphobiafest rather than sport. You just don't like people being trans.

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Which 'claims'?


That's pretty well how it will turn out. And as far as quite a lot of 'modern' social trends (including trans issues) are concerned, the genie is out of the bottle never to return.

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The International Olympic Committee and the Algerian Government


As I say, learn some manners. I've not insulted you and I don't expect you to insult me.


A good idea and it may well go that way in the future.

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She doesn't have any. Her muscle mass, bone structure and hormone levels are consistent with her biological sex.

This is probably the fourth time that's been mentioned.


Why would a natal woman like Imane have to fight a man? I thought you were oposed to things like that.

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Except of course the person in question is female and always has been.

She's just strong and a good boxer.

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Is this discussion not about sports issues?


Weren't you trying to oppose inevitable change?

And it's probably worth checking out the difference between assertiveness and aggression.

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Life is full of 'bloody liberties'.

And cool heads are always better than hot ones.

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She isn't a man unless you know something her doctors don't.

Castor Semenya, btw, is intersex with male characteristics. There's no evidence at all that the Algerian woman is.


The only person 'bleating' here is you. Learn some manners. I don't insult you; don't insult me.

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All that too, however the lady in question isn't a threat and as an Algerian woman has spent most of her life in female only spaces.

There's also two things I've noticed (and may get yelled at for the second point).

Firstly, most of the anti-trans stuff is from boomer women. That's understandable; they had to fight for abortion rights, equal pay and in the UK the right to open a bank account without their husbands' permission. They also had to batle entrenched conservative attitudes and did make genuine progress. The younger generation, the 'Zoomers' don't seem to have an issue with trans matters at all.

Secondly, I've a good friend who is generally a very reasonable person. She does however get really angry about trans issues. One thing that set her off into a rage was when an NHS Trust (the one in Brighton where there are a lot of FTM transmen) published a health information leaflet that referred to "people who menstruate" rather than women and the right-wing media picked up on this. She went ballistic when Rowling, Bindel etc were publcising it all. The thing is, she hasn't menstruated since she had a hysterectomy decades ago and now she's past 70 she's got facial hair, a deep voice and could pass for a man if the lights were dim and she had trousers on.


Dangerous and obsessive nutters. Annoying blokes with tampon fetishes.They help turn the public against people who genuinely don't fit into the gender binary.

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That of course is a matter for the IOC and is a political hot potato. Most of those with strong views about it don't give a sh1t about sport; they just dislike the existence and visibility trans people.

In this case however, the woman in question is a woman and always has been. Her muscle mass and bone structure are consistent with being female, her testosterone levels aren't elevated and no characteristics about her body give her any unfair advantage. She's just big and strong (like many sportswomen) and a very good boxer.


Except of course there's no evidence that she's intersex.

BTW, most women who are XY do not have any particular physical characteristics that distinguish them from other women or give any advatage in sport.

In cases where there's any unfair advantage (due to gender or any other issue) this of course needs to be addressed. That may not go the way TERFs so aggressively demand.

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A gloomy and rather seedy book though at least there's a Polish connection.

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So does Jane Crouch, also a championship boxer. As far as I know, nobody's ever questioned her gender.

I actually watch women's boxing sometimes; a friend is a big boxing fan and subscribes to a TV channel that only shows it. Most female boexrs look a bit like blokes.

It's a shame she's been dragged into the terf/trans issue since she's personally neither.

And of course it's nothing about sport; it's simply transphobia.

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If you look, you'll see that the opinion in question is about the English language rather than Polish food.

I'd agree, stew isn't a particularly accurate description in English and in fact it doesn't need translating any more than pierogi or pizza. Bigos is bigos and to translate it as "hunters' stew" gives a misleading impression of the dish.

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A test.

If the IOC who are experts in sporting matters (and who don't have a vested interest in stoking controversy) are satisfied that she's a natural born female, and someone like Joanne Rowling (who very much does have a vested interest,) says otherwise, who is more believable?


She wasn't "investigated" at all and the r*SSian backed IBA have since admitted this. The matter is covered in post 608.

If you're getting all hot and bothered about an issue, it's good to check the actual facts before posting. So far you've said she's both been tested and not tested, and now you're saying that she's been investigated by a spurious organisation who have admitted that she hasn't been investigated by them.

Let's face it, you hate trans people so much that you're hating on someone who isn't trans but who you think looks trans.

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I doubt she'd bother. She's too busy training for the sport in which she's finally excelling after years of practice.

As I say, best wait for the test results.

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There are. It's more common than you think.


Really??

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You mean the female boxer, since there's no evidence that she's anything other than female.

There are certainly women with XY however they menstruate providing they have oestrogen supplements and can conceive and give birth naturally. Most don't have any significant difference in muscle mass or bone structure.

There is no evidence however that Imane is that type of woman.

It would be an issue if she were XXX or XXXX however superfemales (like most XYY and XYYY supermales) if they do competitive sport at all would be in the Paralympics due to associated cognitive disorders.

Let's wait until the next stage and see what the results of her tests are.

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Joanne Rowling?

No, she's still female as far as anyone knows. Then again, she's certainly not had the years of regular medical monitoring that high-level sportswomen like Imane have so who knows? Has she been tested?

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Let's see.

There will doubtless be tests. You never know, the results may differ radically from all the other medical and fitness monitoring that she has as a top level sportswoman.

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Why?


Don't be silly. She's a woman.

Anyway, let's wait for the trial and the inevitable independent tests.

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Know them, do you?

She's certainly a woman, registered as female at birth and who as a professional sportswoman at a high level has had more physical and medical tests in her life so far than anyone reading this.

As I say, let's wait for the next stage in her lawsuit. Joannne Rowling has already backed down and deleted the deliberately offensive statements she made online.

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Yes. I don't think we'll reach common ground, so let's agree to disagree.

She's certainly a woman though and there will doubtless be a lot of coverage of the legal case.

This just shows that the gender binary is something of an illusion and that perhaps the male/female split isn't as rigid as some would like to think.


I see a woman not a man. A butch one, however I personally know even butcher women, some of whom have given birth.

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She isn't. Unless you know something the International Olympic Committee don't.


She isn't any sort of man though, is she, and never has been.

And of course, you claim she "refused tests" so how would anyone know?

It's best to wait for the next stages of the legal process she's launched. They will certainly require full state-supervised testing an£ will settle the matter.

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No, Imane is a she. She has a vagina and is a woman.

And yes, Joanne R has backed down and removed her comments from the internet.

And if she, as you suggest, has "refused tests" how do you know she's not female?

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How do you know she's that?

And if she "won't do tests", how would anyone know?


She has an open case against Elon Musk and Joanne Rowling (who has backed down on her controversial comments).

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The doctors who assigned her female at birth didn't "see" any such thing and nor did the IOC doctors who tested her.


You mean she, and is this an official est or hearsay.

Anyway, tests will be done for the legal case. Speculation beforehand is unhelpful.

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That's what she evidently is.

Anyway, given that there's now both criminal and civil cases against Elon Musk, Joanne Rowling and others, doubtless there'll be full independent medical tests as part of the evidence which will confirm or deny any speculation.

About her jawline, it doesn't look especially male to me. I'm "finely tuned" ,to differences as well and I wouldn't shag her since she's very obviously not a bloke.


Always there, however the internet wasn't ablaze with it all.

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So a woman can't be "big, heavy and broad" then?

Can they only look like 17 year old ballerinas or anorexic catwalk models?


I used to live across the road from a farm. The farmer's daughter when she was a teen once lifted a calf from a well it had fallen in. She had really broad shoulders and huge muscles like Desperate Dan. She's now got 3 kids and several grandkids, Does her strength and bulk make her a man in your opinion?

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What makes you think that?


That's a daft comment.

Anyway, given that she's lost matches plenty of times, by your 'logic', those fights she lost must be women "battering" men.

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And since she's female what's the problem?


You mean she, rather than "she". Imane is a woman and always has been.


And 'the likes of' you know this how exactly? Do you know something that the IOC don't?