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They are forced to wear that.


This is what the more secular urban middle class want to wear.

Even in the ultra-religious Saudi, the hijab comes off some of the women or is at least relaxed with the veil off on the flight to Dubai as soon as the seatbelt sign pings off.


That's how it is. A massively repressive theocracy with tens of thousands of political prisoners and mass executions. Some things may be less rigorously enforced than Saudi however they are very different places. One was mostly Iron Age apart from the north west bit round Mecca, Medina and Jeddah until the 60s and even that was apparently like stepping back centuries.

Iran is far more established and had the monarchy period. Just as oppressive in some ways and that has continued in a toxic combination with the Ayatollahs.

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No. Thatcher's, the Yanks' and the nasty bastards' favourite.

The good politicians and other good people did their best. And won in the end. Through 'rules-based' structures and methods.

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No thanks.


If they were a bit more autistic, they'd rule the world.

Don't confuse a country's ruling coalition with its actual people.

None of us in any country like rightwingers, none of us like nationalists, however sometimes we have to live with them until we can make them somewhat more horizontal and motionless.


I'd say yes, however he knows little having a very low IQ and cognitive decline.

What he does know is that he's been played like a fiddle. He (or his strategists) tried to play hardball with their betters and it didn't work. America is our wayward daughter, blowsy, peroxide blonde, boomerish, called Karen and with a pistol in her purse. Unfortunately her elderly mother Sophia has been doing this sort of stuff for far longer than she's been alive and is better at it. And cleverer. And takes statins, goes to the gym and hasn't quite got Alzheimers yet. And holds quite a few cards that the public don't generally think about.

Now back to Iran...

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So a minority.


Recent. Almost as recent as the Egyptian inhabitants of the Gaza Strip.

The majority of people who came to the land of Israel are from the MENA region, despite your frantic googling.

Do you deny them the right to their own country?

Anyway, this is about Iran; not the usual antisemitism.

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Surely you don't believe that crap?


Except racists. They emerged fully formed from Stonehenge.

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Not all Israelis from the MENA region are Mizrahi though, are they.

Google is not always your friend.

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Did they flee Portugal to save their lives then?

If the term MENA region is too vague we'll ignore the 1940s pogroms in Iraq, Yemen, and Morocco and just concentrate on the majority, people who fled there from within driving distance of Jerusalem.

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I don't think the world was ever like that. it was quieter and more sociable pre-technology though the pic is set ini Manchester which was never really pre-technology since it was the cradle of the Industrial Revolution.

Plus. whenever there were fewer white people in the Americas or brown people in Europe it was neither better nor worse. Unless you were a Native American or African, in which case it was much better but far more boring.

The pic is idealised. The buses were full, the tip deck was smoky and the people ill-fed and worn out by very hard work while others sipped champagne.

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It is t. There's thousands of words on the conflict generated daily and you never hear this mentioned.

Nevertheless, they are Egyptians. The Gaza Strip is contiguous to the northern Egyptian conurbation, the largest in Africa. Most are Egyptians, some of them Zott.


Another common myth.


Since 1967.

As mentioned (and the useful idiots put their hands over their ears about this), most Israelis' roots are in the MENA region. After centuries of pogroms, they fled there for their lives.

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They didn't.


Africans don't all look alike, however there are very strong common cultural, social and economic traits within Arab societies as well as (apart from Lebanon) a near identical world view.


The two state solution was proposed by Israel. Arafat refused. He wanted it all.

1. How many leaders of palestine can you name before Arafat?
2. Why was there not a word of talk about a palestinian state (or country) at any point in time until after the 1967 six day war?


Most residents of the Gaza Strip are Egyptian of course and arrives there in the 60s,70s and 80s.

Incidentally the 'resilience convoy' who say they're crossing North Africa and attempt to enter the Gaza Strip are attracting ridicule and dismay in the region. The words I heard today (in the MENA region, in a landlocked country to the south) was "exhibitionist", "r*SSia sponsored " and "seditious". Mostly they are attracting ridicule.

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Bangles yes. Brits not so much much unless it's Health&Safety, training and security.. Canadians and some Poles in education. More Filipinos, Indians, Sudanese Italians and Aussies doing various jobs otherwise,

It's better not to refer to Pakistani people like that. This is not 1955.

The others?

- Lebanon???? Flourishing???

- Tunisia? A dump with a small population and a capital built by the French. I go there sometimes to Tunis for work stuff. Rubbish piled high in the streets of the capital, power cuts, people fist fighting each other in public and open prostitution.

- Algerians? An unstable country with one of the highest corruption levels in the world, a dysfunctional economy and 30% unemployment. They can't keep the electric on either.

- Morocco? More Berber than Arab, again, a dysfunctional economy despite better agricultural conditions than the rest, again 30% unemployment, a massive disputed region and a guerilla war, no freedom of speech or media.

-Egypt. 110 million and growing, tens of thousands of political prisoners, no real economy, public debt that they can't pay and dependent on international aid for food. And they can't keep the electric on 24/7 either.

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Hardly racists since they have.

No Arab state has functioned successfully (or managed to keep the electric on all the time) except KSA, Kuwait, Bahrain and Oman who pay others to do it.

Dubai and Qatar are quite efficient however they are both minority Arab. Dubai is over 70% Indian.


It's more that they have somewhere else to go. The majority of Israelis are descended from people who fled the MENA region due to pogroms and repression. They are from that region and have nowhere else to go.

What is Israel supposed to do? The two state solution was raped, murdered and dismembered like Hamas' victims on 7/10

Anyway, this thread is about Iran. One of the vilest and most repressive states in the modern world who were making nukes to destroy a democratic country (they have been explicit about this) and have attacked British ships in the Gulf.

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If you've got Krone, even though it's fallen a fair bit against sterling, it now seems to be rising again so unless war breaks out soon, autumn might be a good time to visit.

Forget summer. It's jammed with tourists,

The zloty seems to be up and down against sterling. Presumably the same aga8nst other currencies.

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He seems to, doesn't he.

There were protests before. Possibly with discreet support from other countries. This may well be the case now.

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Some pretty big anti-regime demonstrations in Iran today.

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You can get nice pierogi there, mostly chilled to cook. Cooked and takeaway would be nice and ubereats probably does them.

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Snap back.

What evidence do you 'need'? Decades of diplomacy? Google is your friend and ChatGPT is your friend with benefits.


Hence the bombing of the sites where they do it and where their nuclear technicians are.

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Most Israelis have their roots in the MENA region.


This is true, however they are vulnerable to carpet bombing by long range aircraft and as a last resort, if it's very existence is under immediate threat, Israel can nuke Tehran and their other main cities. It's not perfect, since Iran is so vast and empty that the regime leaders can hide anywhere.

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0846 hours in Illinois.

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Or the opposite.


What did we do?

The Soviet Union was an evil thing. 80 million people through the Gulag system, repeated genocide and constant hunger. There was a reason they had to build a wall to atipnpeople leaving.


All of them?

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There may be a European task force however it isn't an EU thing.

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@amiga500
Not really net zero, however certainly gender neutral.

Apart from the Seppos' nukes. Those two were a Little Boy and a Fat Man.

And their mother Enola was definitely Gay.

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Only attempts to make the world a better, safer and more equitable place. Far too many cvnts of all nations try that

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Do you have any evidence to support your 'suspicion' they haven't.

Do follow world affairs if you're going to comment on them.


True, and there's been talks of different sorts for decades.

Nevertheless, they try to undermine everything and also practise hostage diplomacy.


Programme. And yes, it can be halted very easily (and has). Enriching uranium is slow and not at all easy.

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Phone typo. Should be "a few".

He was a good man. One of the best post war Poles.

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I suspect people have tried their damndest to do that over the decades.

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It's not so much about making "a move towards Europe". It's about disrupting energy supply, global suply chains (espcially shipping) and also what they may do with their proxi stooges like the Houthis.


It does. See above. Even if they don't use Iranian oil, any disruption does affect POland.


Israel is part of it, and Iran would (and probably will) attack other western countries' assets and bases. They have already attacked shipping in the straight of Hormuz. If they attack the big UK naval base in Qatar (which also has an American presence) the missiles will start flying.

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Not doing so well right now. 5.13 PLN to Sterling. Not that I'm complaining.

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That's true, however it's true in life generally. The world is more chaotic than many suppose.


The whole thing has been whipped up for decades, largely by r*SSia in order to create a weeping sore in the Holy Land. Arafat was offered a two-state solution however he refused, at the behest of the Soviet Union and their stooges who promised him weapons. Now, since 7/10, there can be no two-state solution. Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, has only Israel. The Arabs (who care little about the European concept of nation states anyway), have the whole region.


The person who led the RSA nuclear project was a Pole from Poland. I know his son who is elderly now.


Quite. Some of them probably approve of that misogyny.