Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


That's what we have police for. I doubt it can get any worse than in the 90's.


But we do know - I gave you a link to recent poll results (the poll was commissioned by a conservative newspaper) according to which 70% of Poles don't want the gun laws in Poland to change.

Here's the link in case you missed it:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sprawdzili-czy-polacy-chca-dostepu-do-broni-wyniki-badania-zaskakuja/g95yg4l


23%, not 30%. There's no society where 100% of people agree on everything, but we live in a democracy and laws are usually made according to what majority wants. And 70% is a big majority.

Why don't you care about what majority of people in Poland want? Why do you guys try to impose your mentality on Poles? There's a different reality in Poland than in the US. Our laws reflect that. Poland isn't the US. It isn't Switzerland either...

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]


To be honest, from my observation nothing changed that much in this respect in the last 30 years in Poland. My mother did stay home with me and my brother for a few years, but then she went back to work and we were left home alone - my mother asked our neighbour to check on us (I don't remember if he actually ever did that). The only couple in our block of flats where I grew up with a home-stay-mom were our neighbours next door - they had 6 kids with the seventh dying mysterious death when it was an infant (I think my mother suspected that she killed that baby). That mother of six would sit all day by the window and stare at people and then gossip about them with another neighbour. I remember how she was yelling at her kids. Their sons would steal apples from an orchard nearby and come to us to ask for money for cigarettes for their father... As you can imagine I didn't view them as a model family... 🙄

For me it was completely normal that women work. Even kind of expected...

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]




Nothing stops the concerned daddies from quitting their jobs and taking care of their kids. If enough men did that and became stay-at-home dads, women's wages would rise and one income would be enough to support a family, right? :D


Of course, ffs.


This may be an issue for some, I guess - I'm not sure how many women realise how important the biological clock is for women as far as getting pregnant and safe pregnancy is considered. There probably should be more education about this. 🤔

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]

@jon357, it's not odd at all, you know very well why I mentioned it.


Exactly.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


That's not wishful thinking, but the reality we're living in Poland. Maybe it will change in the future (I hope not), but for now I don't see that happening.


I don't think so. This is the latest poll - from October 2022:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sprawdzili-czy-polacy-chca-dostepu-do-broni-wyniki-badania-zaskakuja/g95yg4l

70% of Poles don't want the gun laws in Poland to be liberalised. 57,3% think that more lax gun laws would decrease their sense of security - it would make them feel less safe.

News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

@pawian, ah, I see... Thanks :))

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]


Sure, jon357:

latnet.org/org-blog/2022/1/27/holocaust-remembrance-day-never-forget-never-again

Why should we remember about the homosexual prisoners of Nazi concentration camps, right? 🙄🤦

News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

Btw:


That's the dictionary translation of "granatnik", but is that the right term for what that police chief fired from in English? Judging by the photos, as far as I remember, it looked like an RPG... 🤔

News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

@pawian ;D That's Google Translate's fault lol

News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]


grenade launcher even :):

businessinsider.com.pl/prawo/wybuch-granatnika-w-gabinecie-komendanta-glownego-policji-jakie-kary-przewiduje-prawo/xnl2q9n


Yes, my thoughts exactly! xD lol

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I wasn't writing about gun ownership, but about training. You don't have to own a gun in order to learn how to use it. You can go to a shooting range and pay for training and practice there. It is estimated that there are around 450 shooting ranges opened to the public in Poland and they're being stormed by people wanting to learn how to use a gun since the RuSSian invasion of Ukraine began:

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Polacy-siegneli-po-bron-i-oblegaja-strzelnice-8304667.html


If that was a common/serious problem in Poland I would probably be the first to get myself a gun. But it simply isn't. Usually the people who have to deal with such cases are police officers and they do have guns. But having a gun in Poland is one thing and using it - is another matter. Even police officers get into trouble because of using a gun during dangerous situations in Poland - I find this more worrying than gun ownership laws. I don't want Polish police officers to be afraid to use guns when it's necessary, especially when someone's life is in danger (most often theirs)...

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

@PolAmKrakow, as for training - I agree. It never hurts to know how to fire a gun and use it safely.


OK, sorry, I haven't read the whole discussion.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

@gumishu, are you being serious right now? Don't you live in Poland??


You're welcome...

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

@gumishu, "major"? Do they have to destroy the city center so it would "matter" to you? They devastate trains, buses and stadiums on regular basis - those are just a few articles from different years about train devastations only:

bialystok.policja.gov.pl/po2/aktualnosci/84398,Pseudokobice-zniszczyli-pociag-zostali-zatrzymani.html

lodz.naszemiasto.pl/kibole-zdewastowali-pociag-lka-chwala-sie-tym-w-sieci-foto/ar/c2-5178373

poznan.tvp.pl/48875208/kibice-lechii-zdewastowali-lokomotywe-przy-stadionie-miejskim-w-poznaniu

wiadomosci.wp.pl/kibole-sterroryzowali-maszyniste-i-zatrzymali-pociag-demolka-na-dworcu-w-zabrzu-6115439358043777a

tvn24.pl/pomorze/tak-wyglada-pociag-ktorym-jechali-kibice-slaska-ra283971-3511662

czestochowa.wyborcza.pl/czestochowa/7,89625,28954762,mecz-na-torach-kibice-rakowa-zdemolowali-dwa-pociagi.html#commentsAnchor

And devastations aren't the only problem - I'm sure you realise that hools turn into organised criminal groups:

policja.pl/pol/aktualnosci/169054,Pseudokibice-stworzyli-zorganizowana-grupe-przestepcza.html

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

@gumishu, sorry, but even if that was true (which I doubt) - how on Earth did that gave the hools the right to destroy public property in Warsaw???

And what about hooligans getting arrested for criminal activity these days - are those "PiS provocations"? lol :)))

As I wrote - there's been problems with hooligans in Poland since I can remember. What has PO or any other political party to do with hooligans devastating trains and buses (and stadiums) for years in Poland? Are those "PO provocations" too? Even nowadays? lol

Trust me, hools don't need any "provocations" to show what destructive morons they are.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Why did you write about them then? It looked like you were giving them as an example why one would need to own a gun in Poland...

Btw, there's been a problem with hooligans in Poland since I can remember. It was especially bad when PO went at war with them - they were destroying Warsaw during Independence Marches then. But normally they appear in large groups only if there's a match in the city. Normal people simply avoid them then. Usually they "sing" songs when they come back from a match, so you can hear them from afar, which makes avoiding them pretty easy. And there's no way in hell I would board a train full of hooligans/"football fans" going to or from a match lol I remember reading articles about trains and buses getting devastated, including in my city :( Those morons shouldn't reproduce... :/


That's the thing, if gun laws were relaxed in Poland they could get them. There's enough problems with them already - imagine if they started shooting at each other or at other people when drunk or high. We would have something similar to gang violence in the US. No, thank you.

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]

I'm guessing that such poll would look different in the UK:

kobieta.wp.pl/polki-rodza-chetniej-na-emigracji-w-polsce-nie-zdecydowalabym-sie-na-dziecko-6832478455073440a

Total fertility rate for Polish women born in Poland, but living in the UK is 2.03, while for native British women it's 1.54. Even British women in the UK give birth to more kids than Polish women in Poland though:

demagog.org.pl/analizy_i_raporty/wspolczynnik-dzietnosci-w-polsce-najnowsze-dane-gus/

According to official Polish data (GUS report from 2021) in May 2020 fertility rate for Polish women in Poland was 1.378.

Conclusion: British "femi-Nazi" women are more willing to give birth in the "woke" country of the United Kingdom than Polish women in the Catholic "pro-family" Poland run by a conservative, anti-woke, right-wing government.

Also, ironically, Poland has one of the most stringent abortion laws in Europe and at the same time one of the lowest birth rates in the EU.

Life / Activation of purchased Poland Orange/T-mobile/Play mobile data / SIM card? [19]

@Cargo pants, I don't know about overseas, this is what I've found on Orange's Polish site:

orange.pl/omnibook/wymiana-karty-sim-na-esim

Does that help?

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]

Also:


This is pretty funny (and ironic) in a way that right-wingers and nationalists are defending Piłsudski, Piłsudski's May Coup and his persecution of political opponents lol After all, Piłsudski was a member and a leader of the Polish Socialist Party and the May Coup overthrew a right-wing government :)))

cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/abs/military-background-of-pilsudskis-coup-detat/38AAB58D3C1E6FA5FF7832FDB0C6AAFA

"Józef Piłsudski, at the head of certain military units devoted to his person and with the enthusiastic approval of the political and social forces of the Polish Left, staged a successful coup d'etat against the Polish parliamentary system dominated since the elections of November, 1922, by an agglomeration of Right-Center political parties."

LOL!

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]

@amiga500, sorry, but most of your comment #141 doesn't make much sense, so I don't even know how to answer it.


No, we judge it both ways - from the perspective of our times and from the perspective of those times (or, rather, we may acknowledge the perspective of those times, while still holding our judgement from our modern perspective).


Well, if he f*cked a 9-year-old then he was a pedo - that's a fact. And I don't think there were ever times in the recorded history of humankind when having sex with a 9-year-old child was considered normal by the majority of the society. Besides, there are still places in this world where kids are being married off and even very young girls are forced to have sex with their husbands, so what times have to do with it?


Don't be ridiculous. You sound like some crazy RuSSian nationalist who can't take the criticism of the "holy" Soviet Army, etc.
Pawian acknowledges both the positive and the negative contribution of Piłsudski to Polish history. If you can't do both then you're a mental, intelectual and moral simpleton, imho.

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]


Sorry, Milo, but your reasoning is pretty ridiculous... Are you saying that we also shouldn't judge the Holocaust, Hitler, the Nazis, Stalin, gulags, etc. by using "21st century morals"?

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]


Actually, we can do both :)
Besides, there are always two sides of the coin, so if you're serious about "seeing history through the eyes of the people that lived in that time", you would have to view that history also from the side of Piłsudski's opponents and not only from the side of his supporters.

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]


I disagree. We all have the right to have a critical view of history and historical figures. Without that we wouldn't learn anything.

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [211]


Yeah... REALLY! lol I've seen it with my own eyes accompanied by the commentary of David Attenborough and the like.


I don't claim that it never happens that predators feed on prey that is still alive, I've also seen lions feeding on prey that was still breathing (not for long though, obviously).

As for that video you posted - those wolves weren't feeding on that deer yet - they were trying to kill it. They may have been afraid to go for the neck, because the deer could still attack them with it's antlers. Later you can't even see well what's happening, because the bushes obstruct the view. And once the deer is dead they don't even eat it, one goes away and lays down and the other just stands there. This is strange. I wouldn't say this is typical (at least judging by what I've seen).


Preferably more than that one, because I'm guessing that the wolves in that video were so cautious because there were only two of them and not the whole pack. Maybe also because of the size of the deer. I imagine they would go for the neck if it was a doe though.

So, johnny_reb, could you explain in what area wolves were "planted" in the US?

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [211]


I don't consider myself an authority, but I've seen enough wildlife documentaries to know a thing or two about how predators hunt and kill, no matter whether they are lions in Africa or wolves in Poland. They usually either go for the throat to cut the artery, brake the prey's neck or put the prey's nose in their mouth in order to suffocate it.


And that's the type of prey wolves are likely to kill quickly:

"With medium-sized prey, such as roe deer or sheep, wolves kill by biting the throat, severing nerve tracks and the carotid artery, thus causing the animal to die within a few seconds to a minute."

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_behavior_of_gray_wolves

So there goes your theory about "saving" the deer from being eaten alive.


Are there any limits on how many deer, wolves, etc. hunters can kill in the US?

And in what area were wolves "planted"? In Michigan?:

wolf.org/wolf-recovery-in-michigan/

"At one time, all of what is now Michigan was home to wolves. However, the pattern of habitat destruction, wolf persecution and extirpation by humans which occurred in most of the eastern United States, continued into Michigan with European settlers. A bounty was established in 1838, at a time when wolves were already nearly eliminated from the southern Lower Peninsula of the state."

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [211]


Sorry, but this sounds like a sweet... bullsh1t. Predators usually kill their prey before "tearing it apart" no matter whether they're canine or feline, or wait for it to die if it's a bigger and more dangerous prey, because it can hurt them.


That would mean human hunters aren't needed for controlling the deer population, because nature can do it on it's own.

By taking their natural prey from predators for your freezers you may be contributing to the dwindling of their population. And when there's not enough of wild predators, the deer will multiply to the extent that hunters are "needed".

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [211]

@Przelotnyptak1, at least we're not those psychopathic butchers or psychopathic hunters who find what they're doing "elating". That's the difference.

Life / Do Polish women dislike Asian women? [14]


I wouldn't go that far, but I saw once through a kitchen window a guy wearing short sleeves during late autumn or early winter and I stared at him in shock and horror lol Btw, my uncle is like that - he's capable of wearing T-shirts during winter. That's rare though and we call such people "hot-blooded" :)


That's me *nods* ;D

Life / Do Polish women dislike Asian women? [14]


Yes, my insight is that you have some issues that you probably should work on.
You seem to have an issue with you being an Asian woman and with women in other countries. It looks to me that you're looking for a fault in the women in the country where you live - American women wear skimpy clothes when they shouldn't, Polish women hate Asian women, because they look at you... Is that all you have to say about American women after living in the US - that they wear skimpy outfits? lol Didn't you make any friends there?

Poles are a homogenic nation, so many Poles stare a lot at anyone who looks different, especially at people from different races - both men and women. That doesn't mean they're racist or that they hate you. Also, Poles aren't accustomed to smiling at strangers and many foreigners claim that they look sad or angry. That's not the case either - that's just our neutral, default look lol


Sorry, but this is the first I hear of it. Where Asian women are told such things?


But you encountered plenty of friendly Polish men?

Btw, here's a profile of a Japanese woman living in Kraków:

facebook.com/maruyamamiwa

Why don't you ask her whether Polish women hate Asian women?

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [211]


Um, you don't kill a cow to get milk :)))
Yes, I do eat meat. I don't do it "for fun" though - I can't give up meat due to my health problems.

But I already wrote that I don't mind people eating meat and yes, I realise that you can't get meat without killing an animal. And I don't mind people who hunt for food solely or out of poverty.

The difference is that I'm not killing those animals personally and I DON'T WANT to be doing that personally and I'm GLAD that I don't have to do it. Taking animal's life wouldn't bring me "fun" or any pleasure. I don't have to do it, so I'm not doing it, because killing a living being, especially a mammal, would be traumatic for me. That's why for me the fact that someone can be hunting "for fun" is f*cked up.

Is it really so hard to understand? I feel like I'm explaining the same thing over and over again. Pawian understands it, jon357 understands what I'm talking about, so why don't you?


I see you don't understand...
It is not about eating meat, the death of the animal itself or what it looks like, but the act of killing done by a human. I don't understand people who WANT to kill, even though they don't have to (since they're doing it mainly for fun - they can buy meat at the store or at the butcher's). For me it's a sign that there may be something disturbing about this person. So, for me the issue is the motivation and the mentality of such a person. The same is with people working at a slaughterhouse - I wouldn't mind people working there, because there's no other job available where they live. I would mind however people who are working there... "for fun"... or find working there "elating" or "self-cleansing"...


I know! lol Do I claim that anyone is forcing me to socialize with them? I'm just trying to explain my point of view, because I see that you guys don't seem to understand what I'm talking about...

Maf, you probably eat meat, but have you ever killed an animal? Would you WANT to kill it? Would you consider it "fun"?

@jon357, cows can be pets too (they can be affectionate and playful). And pigs. And pretty much any farm animal really...