History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


But it is their one and only!

If Israel wouldn't exist it would be back to haunted minority across the countries for them....no more "safe haven" in the case of need.

Everybody else living there has alternatives (especially the Arabs), the Jews don't!


They are never Germans either, the history forbids it to call them that.....

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


I like them! Plucky people, survived the worst and still kicking strong!

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

Well, I think as long Israel's survival is threatened daily they have all rights to demand support from its former torturers...I wish Germany would be more direct in its support not trying to appease the sultanats at the same time too!

History / Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ? [266]


That is an interesting insight about the Germany the US soldiers encountered....it seems there were no Nazis at all (?)

nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/wwii-allies-impressions-of-germany

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But you know how it goes...as long as they are winning the doubting voices are always small and easy to overhear.....

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Mabe because it's not the clear cut? Many Ukrainians greeted the Wehrmacht as liberators from the Russians, Hitler even promised them their own country at first.....another big blunder!

...Reinhard Heydrich noted in a report dated July 9, 1941 that "a fundamental difference between the former Polish and Russian [soviet] territories. In the former Polish region, the soviet regime was seen as enemy rule.... Hence the German troops were greeted by Polish as well as the White Ruthenian population [meaning Ukrainian and Belarussian] for the most part at least as liberators or with friendly neutrality.... "[6]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_in_German-occupied_Ukraine

History / Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ? [266]

Well, the Nazis had been the most important factor during 1933 till 1945 in the (Greater) German Reich....maybe the editors think that's missing?

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Yeah...a council member.....you have to be a communist for that, a party member....don't tell me everybody and his grandmom could take part in that!

Interesting tidbit....after Hitlers rise to power he closed the acceptance of membership in the NSDAP. He feared (rightfully so) the masses of opportunists who now sought to gain influence in the new age with becoming members. Membership form 1933 onwards was now strictly controlled and more or less only awarded for special deeds (war heroes and such).

In the end there must have been millions more "Soviets" than actual Nazis around....does that make the Russians more compliant and guilty for those 20 million murdered people?

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That seems to be a problem.

Germany's official name between 1933 until 1943 had been
"The German Reich"....and between 1943 till 1945 it was
"The Greater German Reich".

That seems to overwhelm non-german readers and writers....nothing with Nazi innit!

History / Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ? [266]

"Soviets" means also Communist, at least members of the communist party....I doubt the illiterate farmer could count as either...

But it all had been ethnical Russians (+assorted ethnicities).

So, you could also say Russians when you talk about their barbarism....but that's not so easy as you see them rather as the pure hearted "damsel in distress" fighting and winning against the german monsters!

Ask the Poles which barbarian they preferred as both sat over Poland to partition it like a cake!

So....either it was Nazis against Soviets....or Germans against Russians....that would be only fair, don't you think?

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Germany had lotsa names during its long past....maybe they just use it to differ between the Germany's till 1933 and from 1945 onwards? :)

History / Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ? [266]


Do you make a difference between the Soviets and the Russians? Why now?


Germany just agreed to pay a few Billions to the Hereros, because they colonized Namibia for a few years....ask me how I like that!

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Do you really believe it had been "the Russians" who murdered the millions of people during Stalin's reign? (About 20 MILLION people)

Who murdered the polish intelligencia at Katyn? Russians or Stalinists?

All of them guilty? From the newborn baby to the old Babushka?


I dunno....if I follow your logic "The Russians" had been quite the barbarians themselves....murdering 20 million people (worse than the holocaust!)....maybe the Germans would had been right in trying to kill them all? To end that murdering and for revenge of course....

Your logic sucks seriously, Rich!

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I disagree...the war they fighted in the West was totally different, no Untermenschen....it was the racist Nazi ideology which destroyed them, first Russia and then Germany.

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Even so....burning the land and turning a usually rather lethargic population into hostiles was the worst of all ways to go about it, they HAD to know that!

History / Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ? [266]


I think we can agree on that Hitler did everything wrong!

But then, he was a luckless painter....I put the blame on the professionals, the german High Command, they should have known better, they should have done something!


If that's my choice I say the Democrats. But even that would be wrong. I'm quite sure that alot of the million members of the Democratic Party had been against such mass destruction...

So, I put it to those people who actually ordered to "push the button" and those who actually "followed orders" and did push the button.

Please kindly accept my decision, thank you!

PS: To call "The Americans" is actually just a try to broaden the blame....to lessen the blame on those actually responsible!

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The president?

Who gives the order?

I would never lay the blame on a 10 year old child going to school somewhere in Sacramento, California for destroying Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

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They still needed them to be willing! What use would be men who fear the commissar behind them more than the enemy up front? Surrendering would become an option!

Hitler made sure it wasn't so...

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No, in this case it was the Nazis! These policies were made up, thought out, implemented and ordered by the members of the NSDAP and their believers...NAZIS!

History / Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ? [266]


During the first months whole armies just gave up and surrendered to the Wehrmacht. It had been so many that there weren't enough german soldiers to keep them all, but they weren't needed, the Russians didn't fight and obeyed....a "morale" was actually non-existent....they felt safer with the german army, they didn't want to fight anymore...

What did Hitler and his cronies do? Instead to take care of these masses of men, feed them, try to convince them to get back to the field and fight for their own liberation now with the military support of the Germans...nooo....they let them starve cruelly to death!

With that they made sure no Russian would again try to surrender and rather fight to the death, even if he feared Stalin, he hated the Nazis more!

THATS how the Germans lost that war, not because of weapons or lone battles or what not....

History / Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ? [266]


What I said....

History / Why Was D-Day So Significant for Poland ? [266]


It wasn't always so clear.....don't forget that the Wehrmacht was seen in big parts in the East (Ukraine) and the North (Baltics) as liberator from the Soviet yoke and could count on civilian support, then there was those Russians themselves (Russian Liberation Army) which decided to fight with the Wehrmacht against the Red Army....

It could have easily shifted to an big anti-Stalin-anti-communist movement with german military support! And THAT could have done Stalin and Co.

It was the Nazis themselves who blundered all that initial support with their unspeakable behavior as cruel occupiers no longer liberators stemming from that race policy which even put just liberated people into the "Untermenschen"-category...making new Partisans with every movement.

News / Should Poland leave the EU institution? [147]


What is Poland getting from the United Nations? Military security? Financial help? Economical Support?

If Poland asks the UN for support against Russia....don't you think Russia will veto everything?

The UN would be like another of these far away "friends" Poland liked to put his hopes to (GB, France)....tell me again how that panned out in Polands past!


Oh please.....I'm a proud German, I'm still an Ossi by heart, not a no-border globalist....if I dream of the past it's about mighty Prussia....I like the successful Hanse too.

There is a middle way for nationalists....those fighting all other nations and those who want the best for their own nation. Germany's way right now led to it's most successful century ever, and alot of that success has to do with the EU.

Now compare Polands often enough catastrophic past with the modern Poland during the recent decades inside the EU.....and there can only be one conclusion!

It's a matter of rationalism and seeing the world as it is, not as you want it to be! If you truly love Poland, you want the best and most successful Poland it can be. Going it alone is a sure way to lose....again!

News / Should Poland leave the EU institution? [147]

Agreed, in a Europe ruled by nationalists Poland, without an influential EU, Poland will stand alone....again....tell me again, how that did work out for the Poles in the past.

And risking all that what Poland has right now....military security, financial help, economical support, a seat and a voice like everybody else at the european table....only because of some refugees? Or some rights for gays? Or some guaranteed independence for your judges?

Really? Is that worth it???

News / Should Poland leave the EU institution? [147]


Thing is....has always been.....nationalists don't work well together.....they will be quickly busy with sniping, insulting, attacking, backstabbing each other....getting out every historical argument they can find.....a pleasure to watch?

Salvini will hate Le Pen....Orban licks Putins boots, no matter what that would mean to Kaczynski...etc...etc...

There is no nationalist "internationale"....banding together for a common cause.....never has been, never will be. Their own short sighted advantage will be always more important to them. That's why leftists are always stronger, sad but true!

News / Should Poland leave the EU institution? [147]

Oh I dunnooo....even LePen isn't talking anymore about a Frexit....she wants to get elected sometime, heh:)

"...She is opposed to the EU membership for Turkey, in favour of a "privileged partnership",[22] and also opposes the accession of Ukraine to the European Union, while supporting association status.[23] She is currently campaigning for a referendum on France leaving the EU.[20] Despite have previously sought France leaving the body, she no longer supports a full exit, preferring instead a restructuring.[79]...."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Marine_Le_Pen#European_Union

I even agree with her about Turkey.....but I think Ukraine could need every help it can get.....and some reforms, why not? *shrugs*

News / Should Poland leave the EU institution? [147]


Why?

The UK haven't been an integral part of the EU....they were no founder....they only wanted in as they have seen how successful the EU had become....they have always demanded special treatments and privileges (and gotten!)...

I would rather bet you that we see Scotland and maybe Wales asking for membership in the EU before the EU gets abolished, heh:)

*ducks and runs*

News / Should Poland leave the EU institution? [147]


....that is true too!

If you count Twitter, FB, Instagram, Youtube etc. too then we are really owned by these USians!!!

News / Should Poland leave the EU institution? [147]

If you want to be nitpicking the whole media market of East Germany has been bought out by West Germany!
Does that count as "foreign owned"?

But if I'm honest most Ossis prefered West-Fernsehen and West-Radio in GDR times too...

(Besides the staff of the "Neues Deutschland" there hadn't been many complaints either)

But yeah...that's it....West-Germany had more than 70 years time to build their own media market...see?

All in West-Germany!

Friede Springer, Axel Springer Verlag, Berlin;
Bauer Family, Bauer Media, Hamburg;
Alexander, Marc and Oliver Samwer, Rocket Internet, Berlin;
Ralph Dommermuth, United Internet, Montabaur;
Hubert Burda Family, Hubert Burda Media, Munich;
Jahr Gruner Family, Hamburg;
Liz Mohn Family, Bertelsmann, Gutersloh;
Johannes Mohn Family, Bertelsmann, Gutersloh;
Stefan von Holtzbrinck and Monika Schoeller, Georg von Holtzbrinck-Gruppe, Stuttgart;
Dieter Schaub, Media Union, Ludwigshafen.

News / Should Poland leave the EU institution? [147]

Ever heard of the german RTL?

It is founded by and belonges to the RTL group, their HQ is in Luxembourg...it had been founded by Marcel and Francois Anen...with no German in sight.

They own today 68 TV stations and 31 Radio stations in France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and other european countries....

Does that count?

But I don't think that is the same....many Germans bemoan the quality of the program but not the ownership...even as RTL has now a second HQ in Cologne and even a german CEO! :)