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trtworld.com/europe/poland-to-begin-building-wall-along-border-with-belarus-in-december-51677

Poland has decided to start building a wall along its border with Belarus in December and complete the work in the first half of next year, the Interior Ministry said in a statement.

"The undertaking which we must carry out is absolutely strategic and priority investment for security of the nation and its citizens," Interior Minister Mariusz Kaminski said on Monday.

The ministry said the contracts would be signed by December 15 and work on the border wall itself would begin later in the month, with builders working 24 hours a day on three shifts.

The wall will cost an estimated $407 million and is planned to stretch 180 kilometres, around half the total length of the Poland-Belarus border.

Parliament gave its go-ahead for the wall last month.

Best decision 👍

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theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/15/nato-chief-warns-russia-against-further-provocation-amid-ukraine-tensions


What if Russia uses that migrant bruhaha for a covert action against Ukraine? Then Lukashenko would make certain sense...for Putin....

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Talk between Merkel and Lukashenko confirmed by the german gov.....

twitter.com/phil_ipp_fritz/status/1460325110863249415/photo/1

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twitter.com/phil_ipp_fritz/status/1460317491926814723

Now let's see....

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German papers report of some Lukashenko plan to send them over to Munich with a plane....there seems to be some offer made by Munich to take them in....dunno....

But that of course would against the still ruling gov in Berlin which today repeated in Brussels (german still acting foreign minister Heiko Maas) that they won't take anybody in....so...

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reuters.com/world/europe/eu-step-up-sanctions-belarus-over-escalating-border-crisis-2021-11-15/

...The top EU diplomat, Josep Borrell, said the new package of sanctions would target airlines and travel agencies involved in "this illegal push of migrants".

Middle East travel agencies working together with operators in Belarus provided tourist visas to thousands of people in recent months, a Reuters investigation revealed.

EU executive said it was looking into whether other airlines should face sanctions after the bloc banned Belarus' state-owned carrier Belavia from its skies and airports. Germany's Maas stressed Turkish Airlines had stayed away.....

Well....it's a start.....

...The EU has been stepping up sanctions on Belarus for months. Curbs already in place include blacklisting of Lukashenko, his son and 165 other Belarusian officials, as well as restrictions on trade in potash, an important export....

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.....the EU meeting tomorrow Monday should be interesting!

I doubt that the EU plans to give Lukashenko the possibility to "save face"....

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Asked how they assess the government's actions on the border with Belarus in response to the ongoing crisis there, 39% of Poles say they view them positively and 36% negatively, finds a new poll

twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1460015983297536001

The same pollster found that 70% of the public think that the opposition should cooperate with the government in its response to the border crisis

twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1460015990868262915

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I believe we had one colony once....for a short time.....those immigrants come from elsewhere....

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Whaaaa? Why do they belong here???

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The german SPIEGEL writes that Poland, together with Latvia and Lithuania, thinks about asking for Article 4, to request a NATO special meeting.

spiegel.de/ausland/konflikt-mit-belarus-polen-erwaegt-beantragung-von-nato-sondersitzung-a-d7993ce2-7595-414a-8623-8f9cc7b5a776

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*nods*

At this time yes....

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Hmm.....directly at the border.....difficult!

I just read that Iraq offered to send airplanes to bring willing Iraqis back home....that would be a start.....that is if Lukashenko lets them leave!

Another media reported that Putin advised Merkel and Lukashenko to speak directly together, he himself is seemingly only interested in the further Gas flow....

I'm abit scared to think what Lukashenko might demand from Merkel....and that Merkel might give it to him....so...I have absolutely not much of an idea....

Knaus' idea to build camps in Ukraine wasn't that bad (if we could convince the Ukrainians that is...they want probably money for "keeping" them)...but at least they would be out of the cold then, with food and medical support....

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I told you....there is no majority in any european country to take them all in....2015 was an informative event about "pull factors". This wouldn't be happening right now if Merkel would had made the right call back then too.

A mass immigration by non-europeans with another culture/religion isn't democratically feasible...and as far as I see it (since we have no power over their home countries), the only workable solution is to build very quickly very high and stable walls. I don't see any other by the majority accepted solution....

To support my impression an interesting poll from June this year in the leftist TAZ of all media:

(google translation)

Opinion poll on migration policy: majority against accepting refugees

Many Germans do not believe in a more humane policy towards those seeking protection. They rate integration efforts as having failed.

taz.de/Meinungsumfrage-zu-Migrationspolitik/!5779674/

....When asked whether the refugees who have come to Germany in the last 10 years are well integrated into society, the picture is even clearer. There is not a majority in any of the groups that have been broken down to answer this question in the affirmative. Overall, only 12.5 percent of those questioned believe that the integration was successful. Almost 30 percent answered "partly partly", around 57 percent against it "rather no" or "no, definitely not".

Broken down according to employment status, voting behavior, income and place of residence, there is almost everywhere a consensus not to allow any further refugees into the country.....

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Smuggling illegals over the border?

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....MILO....where have you been!!!

And yes...having to pray 5 times during battle would be even better! :)

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Today in Germany's biggest tabloid BILD:


bild.de/politik/kolumnen/kolumne/kommentar-danke-polen-78230606.bild.html

(google translate)

It is one of the last lessons for Chancellor Angela Merkel: Poland is closing its many hundreds of kilometers long border!

What, according to Merkel, was supposedly not possible with us in 2015, our neighbors are successfully implementing in a short period of time.

Poland is thus impressively resisting a perfidious game with refugees. And shows the despots in Minsk and Moscow the red card.

That's right!

The EU states must not allow themselves to be blackmailed by Putin and Lukashenko. You must also prevent refugees from entering the country uncontrolled.

Poland does just that.

The government in Warsaw is also showing that it has learned its lessons from the 2015 refugee crisis. And thus helps the entire EU - including Germany.

The Polish government therefore deserves recognition for its course. Not malice and criticism.

Thank you Poland!

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*nods*


True...can't wait to end our dependence on THAT! (For the environment too, heh:)


Right now Germany reminds me about the interwar years, after the treaty of Versailles.....but it didn't take the Nazis long to rebuild, the expertise and the experience was still all there.


Depends.....do they have to pray three times a day also during battle? :)

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.....might be!

But that doesn't count for Islam, doesn't it....the most islamist countries are quite weak, backwards and no danger for Europe at all!

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Nah....if we Europeans would had stood true to our real own spirits and beliefs and not forget about all of our true roots for some far away traditions (christianity) we wouldn't today not need to be so fearful of some other far away traditions (islam)! :)


I would not want to live in a muslimic society....and if they have the same rights then they only need the numbers to make our countries islamic!

And I never heard from you an idea to stop them from becoming so many....the only other way to stop that development is to discriminate against islam!

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Seriously?



I know Europe being walled in is not such a nice idea, I agree with you....but till these countries get themselves out of the mud and can offer their people a perspective we don't have so many possibilities. Just taking them all in will overwhelm our societies....especially those "multikulti" ones where they with their stoneage religion would have the same rights as everybody else.

I for one and with me most other Europeans don't want to wake up in a muslimized society one day....where the muezzin screams over the streets and people have to get used to headscarfes etc.

If such a wall as the Greeks just build it saves us from that...so be it!

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Why? Do you think they can tear them down? That would be an act of war....

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Not with real good fortified outer borders....that's why they are the next step!

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Maybe more of a "resentment"?

After all neither polish nor german immigrants were so coddled during the centuries....nowhere!

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Photos and fingerprints (from 14 year olds)....DNA only during a criminal procedure...

bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/DE/AsylFluechtlingsschutz/Asylverfahren/begleitbroschuere-asylfilm.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=12

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.....not in Ukraine!

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I have my doubts....and what is "G*rmany"?

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....the need to feel "good" is strong!

But I wonder if Ukraine could be bribed to take them all in....would that feasible???

And would the illegals follow? They must know that then Germany is a no-go.....

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Gerald Knaus just called (the advisor of Merkel...the one with the grande idea to pay Erdogan those billions).....he now says Poland should disturb Lukashenko's trafficker modell and take the immigrants in first BUT then distribute them across safe non-EU countries (Ukraine???).

The democratic countries should build an "anti-blackmail-pact" against Putin and Lukashenko.

focus.de/politik/ausland/lukaschenkos-schleusermodell-zerstoeren-xxx_id_24424798.html

I wonder what the Ukraine thinks of that idea.....

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....for all those self-declared "Menschenfreunde" people like me with more of a rational brain still on their shoulders we often were called "Menschenhasser" or "Rassisten"....or "Islamophobes" and what not.

Also very popular: We (especially Ossis) need more exposure to such illegals so that we come to understand and like them better (no joke)....


No, it shouldn't....but our "Menschenfreunde" feel themselves so much superior to everybody else...