News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


Wrocław Boy - Germany is more or less the same size as Poland (slightly bigger I guess) and it doesn't have any shale gas to speak of

European part of Russia is similar in this regard - their shale gas is negligible

the same is with your typical gas and oil - there are regions that have huge amounts and there are regions that don't have any economic gas and oil

I know geology is difficult ;) (actually not very difficult)

and yes - shale gas is environmentally risky thing (no comparison to standard gas developing)

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

I guess sythetic fuel from coal made in Fischer-Tropff process was not economic in the times of low oil prices - there has been proposals for building such an installation in Poland though (and they will surely return whith oil prices rising)

however coal gas as a fuel is not without problems - first of all it's dangerous because it contains a lot of carbon monoxide (which is very toxic) - it also contains hydrogen and therefore is a serious explosive hazard - the productions isn't clean - there is an huge array of potential polutant by-products of which many are difficult to manage (benzene, tar-water emulsions) - then there still remains the question if the process is economical compared to simple coal burning in power plants - untill late 80's coal gas was used quite extensively - Silesia and nearby areas where supplied with 'gaz koksowniczy' (which is very similar thing) in the same manner natural gas is provided now

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


you don't mind Private Messages smurf, do you? - there is a big chance the thread will be dead or you will miss newer posts - so I ask if you don't mind PM's from me about the topic

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you know - Russia was once at the forefront of communism - is it always good to be at the forefront? - btw Poland can actually be at the forefront: at the forefront against the surge of stupid ideology

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if sea levels would be rising noticeably it will be easily observed on various piers - I don't think this is what we are seing at the moment - if the rise has been 10 cm in some 20 last years it would have been noticed on the said piers and secondly it wouldn't affect even the likes of Kiribati and Maledives

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I am not sure there has ever been any fresh ground water on Kiribati in living memory pal - this is coral - this is low lying - evaporation far exceeds the rainfall - pacificwater.org/pages.cfm/country-information/kiribati.html

and displacement may be caused by drought which leads to lack of drinking water and not serious rising of sea level - but if someone has an agenda they will not disclose facts that don't fit his agenda

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


there can be simply other explanations to why the earth is warming - it is enough if there are statistically less clouds in summer months for whatever reason (there may be reasons we don't actually yet know or understand) to produce the observed warming - and pushing one theory is what I call dishonest


heh - you've seen it or just repeat whatever you hear on the TV? - for one thing Kiribati and Maledives experience the least of tides on the ocean so the rising ocean levels would be pretty obvious there (unless the islands are sinking because of geological processes)

btw if you cared to look the NOAA images show that the extent of ice floes in Davies strait, Baffin Bay and off the Labrador coast this year are biggest in years

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


and not thouroughly investigated - OK? - and we use simplistic reasonings - like saying Sun revolves around the earth


the thing is I can safely call you a CO2 warming believer - because you don't know the realities just accept what you are being fed based on some assumptions you made (which you cannot be simply sure of unless you positively make yourself believe they are THE truth)

I am not sure those arguments I have found against the role of human carbon emissions in global warming are perfectly true - but if some (retired) scientist states that there is no good correlation between rapid warmings and coolings in the ice ages and the atmosphere's CO2 contents then I tend to listen to it because I think there is enough poeple with agendas around the world who would want me to believe the contrary

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


where?


I don't argue with the realization that earth is warming - I argue with a simplistic reasoning that human Co2 emissions are responsible - and I argue with feeding people that idea untill we prove it beyond doubt


i don't claim Earth self-regulates perfectly - I say we don't know enough to be able to judge - judge not by apperances you know - btw that CO2 has been greatly reduced from the atmosphere through natural processes is actually a common understanding among geologists

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

if we would get rid of 20 per cent of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere we would probably get an ice age - smurf I understand that you are concerned but I think you overestimate your understanding of things - learn a new thing each day and you will be wiser


actually smurf - plant matter (cellusose and ligninins, also various waxes and resins) is quite slow to decay - otherwise we wouldn't have any coal today - just go to the forest near you and I can safely guarantee you that the leaves that have fallen 10 year ago are still there for the most part - yes dead plant matter is a HUGE retainer of CO2 - if you don't believe then tell me where did all those heaths and bogs in Britain and Ireland come from - and I can tell you that in some parts of Ireland a good couple of meters of bog formed in about 5 thousands of years - and guess what? - it is mostly carbon - it's nearly a permaments carbon sink


CO2 emissions in itself are not a huge hazzard to marine life - CO2 is not a direct polutant in the amounts we release (I don't say fossil fuel burning doesn't cause pollution but CO2 is not a pollutant in itself) - marine life has been hit by many other substances we release to the oceans as well as the ecologic imbalances produced (toxic algae blooms) by the phosphorus and nitrogen we deliver to the seas and oceans


over-reacting can be sometimes much more harmful than not reacting smurf (but I believe you are not really ready to recognize it)

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


in medieval Europe there was a universal agreement between scientists that the Sun was revolving around the Earth

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

either I missed something or Co2 global warming is fed to us straight into the stomach by all media around - I haven't seen any serious debate (outside the internet)

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

you got better arguments? or can you actually void my arguments in other ways than saying they are crap?

btw - I don't argue there is some global warming - if it is measurable how can I deny it - the thing is there is no good proof human made CO2 emissions are responsible

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


Poland didn't deliberately cut any emissions - the big decrease in emissions from Poland stems from a number of industries shutting down since 1989 (but was approved as emission cuts in Kyoto protocol) - the new European climatic agreement has a much later date as a base to calculate reductions - Poland will have to cut emissions or pay for them (and they are going to be pricey) - either way it will cost Poland A LOT of money -

as for sequestering CO2 in the earth - nobody in the world has done that on large scale so far - you cannot just pump C02 into the ground - you need to have specific geologic structures (like emptied natural gas beds) that are C02 tight enough - these are often hundreds of miles aways from power plants - and power plants exhausts including CO2 are not natural gas in that they are corrosive (the more water vapour is in the exhausts the more corrosive they are and there is no practical fuel on the earth that does not produce water vapour in burning) - the cost of pipelines would be enourmous my friend because they would have to be made from special grade corrosive resistant steel - and as far as I know this kind of steel is not so readily welded)


NO - actually Poland SHOULD voice any doubts there are about CO2 driven global warming and LOUD - somebody HAS TO

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it is a scam - 1. human emissions of CO2 consist only a couple per cent of yearly emissions into the atmosphere - (say 3 per cent) - all other emission is natural - one big volcano eruption releases as much CO2 as yearly human emissions - and volcanoes also constantly emit CO2 - CO2 is emiitted from the earth crust in certain areas

2. CO2 in the atmosphere accounts to less than 20 per cent of greenhouse effect in the atmosphere - in certain conditions up to 95 per cent of greenhouse effect comes from water vapour

3. there is no good correlation between CO2 levels in the atmosphere (as examined in the ice cores from Antarctic and Greenland) and the temperatures during the ice ages (with the events of CO2 levels rising and temperature falling)

4. there is no good CO2 budget evaluation on the earth so far - scientist haven't reliably evaluated ocean CO2 'sink' so far - there are also negative feedbacks in the biosphere against rising level of CO2 - plants grow considerably faster in higher levels of CO2 binding it

5. there is a negative feedback in the earth's atmosphere against warming - this is called clouds which raise earth's albedo significantly - the mean daily temperature in the height of June in Poland under a thick cloud cover can be lower than 10 centigrades while in the full sun it can easily rise above 30 degrees (and a mean temperature throughout the day can be above 20 degrees)

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

because Poland would have to dismantle it's coal powered energy sector and switch to Russian gas and it would cost us bilions and billions - this is one point

the other point is that the whole human CO2 emission driven global warming is a scam and Polish politicians don't believe in it (and it is a scam unless you are a believer)

already agreed part of the deal that was signed in 2008 can possibly raise Polish electricity prices by 100 per cent before 2020 (and the goals are still unrealistic for Poland because there is no way we can have 20 per cent of our energy from renewable sources in this economic climate) - the electiricity bills will start rising already next year and it's gonna be drastic (like 40-50 per cent) - the whole sectors of Polish economy can shut down because of that (like paper and cement production) with people without jobs

btw - the most Co2 emissions in Europe come from transportation - and the richest countries have more per capita emissions from that source than Poland (Germany has even double) and most of these countries are more populous than Poland - the whole agreement specifically targets coal powered energy production and you[ve got your answer

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


I think why black people in Poland (I would think only those who were not born here into the Polish language) don't want to be called Murzyn/Murzynka (or find it derogatory) is the dictionary tranlastion they can find of the word (which is I guess negro) - in all truth Polish Murzyn doesn't have any derogatory or dismissive connotations of English 'negro' - it just leads to misunderstandings - while Polish people mean no harm, no scorn and no belittling using words Murzyn and Murzynka, Black people still think they are slighted

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


it's because I like to talk matter not call names - and I still am of an opinion you are not in a position to judge on more or less subtle connotations of words used in Polish especially in their figurative meanings - btw there are no good replacements for murzyn in Polish language especially for colloquial language

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


said an English guy, who can;t follow a Polish cabaret sketch (so he tell's it is not funny - yeah sure those bloody Poles don't have a pinch of sense of humour - 90 per cent of Poles laugh their heads of watching the sketch) - you sure have studied Polish philology, haven't you? or just transplanting your perceptions of the word negro to the word murzyn, huh?

first of all 'murzyn' is not racist

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


so you just simply don't get Polish humour and are being defensive about it on top of that

we'll make some test? OK? - it;s a test on your knowledge of Polish more than your sense of humour to be sure : ...


I never said 'murzyn' is some superlative - it's a regular neutral word in the literal meaning and not in the slightest derogatory, or dismissive for someone who is called 'murzyn' figuratively (at least by those who are on the same level - perhaps those 'murzyn' exploiters use it in dismissive ways)

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

JonnyM

ok, suit yourselves - after all you know some Polish - (I doubt you can get humour from Polish cabaret shows, but hey nobody's perfect - to put it straight I meant who are you to judge what connotations verbs and phrases have in Polish with your level of Polish)

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


who said inapriopriate in plural - Poles say often about themselves : 'Białych murzynów z nas zrobili' - They made white slaves of us. (slave is just the most appriopriate translation into English and not a literal one)


but it doesn't make a word murzyn dismissive even not to say derogatory - it just comes from the observation black Africans were backward


one big difference is there were no actual 'murzyns' black people doing those 'Irish jobs' in Poland- and in Polish also it bears a connotation that ;murzyn is a over-exploited (slaved) with no hint to their inferiorness or lower capabilities - as I said figurative meaning of 'murzyn' has a definite point of criticism toward those who are using the 'murzyn's' work

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


you are just simply oversensitive - murzyn in a figurative meaning is not derogatory either, the point of the criticism in the word is towards those who use those murzyni

(like in a saying - Im się chyba wydaje że sobie murzyna znaleźli. They probably think they have found some slave for the job.)

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


the thing is it is a regular word for a black person of African origin (other black people like Australian aborigenes or Melanesians or even very dark south Indians have their own specific names and are not typically called 'Murzyni' though it was a bit different historically)

if someone wants to call a black person offensively in Polish they use words like 'czarnuch' (extremely offensive - surprisingly enough 'czernoch' is a regular word for black person in Czech language), 'bambus' (literally 'bamboo' but it originates from 'Murzynek Bambo' by Julian Tuwim) or 'asfalt' (literally tarmac)

other neutral words for black people have typically different meaning to murzyn: czarnoskóry means literally black-skinned (but remember that Murzyn has a meaning of African black) - so Australian aborigene is equally czarnoskóry, czarny - is a touch too close to czarnuch to be an innocent word; Afrykanin doesn't equal to murzyn as there are Arabic, Berberic, and Chamitic Africans who are not Murzyni (and there are also white Africans after all - biali Afrykanie)


murzyn doesn't carry offensive load because it is a regular word for a black African person - it's like stating that Englishman or Pole is derogatory - if Polish person wants to be derogatory towards the English they say 'Angole' not 'Anglicy', likewise if English people want to use derogatory, dismissive term for Polish people they say 'Pollacks' instead of 'Poles'

Genealogy / SKI...SKY...ZKI...Polish surname endings [38]

it's an adjectival suffix that mostly denotes area or place of origin of something (or showing some other connection with the place area) - it can be translated as 'of a place'

Kraków - krakowski = (of Kraków)
Kowalewo - kowalewski - (of Kowalewo)
Kowale - Kowalski - (of Kowale)
Warszawa - warszawski - (of Warszawa)

however -ski (-ska, -skie) adjectives can be created not only of place names - with a meaning of '-like' it is added to various nouns and you've got - przyjacielski (friendly), męski (manly or gents'), żeński (feminine), ludzki (human or humane)

in even broader class of man related names (like names of professions) -ski means belonging to the profession/art - młot kowalski - blacksmith's hammer, zestaw malarski - painting (painter's) set, kadź barwierska - dyer's vat, pieśń żołnierska - soldierly (soldiers') song,

the suffix has a quite defined history in Slavic languages (all Slavic languages share it) - and it is cognate (the developement of the same origin) to English -ish, -sh suffix (as in Polish, English, Welsh) - in English it developed from -isk, -sk suffix which is still present in Scandinavian languages (in Danish you;ve got Dansk=Danish, Engelsk=English, Norsk=Norwegian, Swensk=Swedish, Polsk=Polish, Tysk=German (Deutsch), Jysk= Jutlandish (of Jutland), Rysk = Russian

the most probable occurence is that -sk suffix originated in Germanic languages suffix originally used for nations and lands and was borrowed from Germanic Gothic language into Slavic when the two languages were in contact in late antiquity to very early middle ages (sharing the fate of many other borrowings from Gothic to Slavic which are still present in most Slavic languages)

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


google translate makes this quote of your pointless


had anybody outside of the family found out about this grandma concealing Jews? if so then you have your answer - not all Poles were hostile to Jews or greedy enough to mug them - the thing is even if those hostile to Jews or greedy enough to harrass those Jews in hiding were a significant minority they still were to be feared by those who helped Jews - pretty obvious, no?? - so what grand conclusions do you want to draw out of this simple statement about that grandma

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

sure there are two sides of the story - haven't you heard of 'Polish death camps'???

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Jedwabne było w każdej wsi - said a woman whose father was a witness to detention, rape and other violence against Jews in hiding in a village somewhere in Podkarpacie by their Polish neighbours (£ańcut area) - the Jews were then denounced to German authorities who killed them on spot

the thing is 'Jedwabne było w każdej wsi' is her own stipulation for the most part

I know you read Polish aphro - so have a read about Jews and farming in Poland


sztetl.org.pl/pl/term/114,rolnictwo

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

btw I haven't watched the video and now it looks like it's gone - the title was pretty controversial and that's why it's gone most probably - by the way aphro do you positively ;) believe Jedwabne happened in every Polish village (btw Jedwabne was not a village but a small town - Jews didn't typically live in farming villages as they mostly never farmed in Poland (why farm when you can earn more by trading))

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


there is a phrasal verb in Polish - patrzeć komuś na ręce - it means to watch closely what one is doing - if you suggest that we should closely watch what Jews are doing you will soon get a label of an anti-semite if not a fascist