History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [341]


Indeed. But when he was in office - as the president of the European Council - here in 2019 with president Zelensky near Stanytsia Luhanska in the Donbas region, Ukraine:

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [341]


You mean that's how it was portrayed on TVP by reporters and news anchors who are, of course, just like you lol, always full of "love" and "respect" for Poles with other political views than them :D 😂

You and those who are running TVP would do well on "Dziennik Telewizyjny" during PRL times - I'm guessing that this is how they were portraying Solidarity strikes and protests - full of hatred, fear and violence towards the most "wonderful" and "perfect" communist authorities who just wanted what's the best for the country :)))

During our Polish-RuSSian discussions one Pole told us that in the Soviet "Pravda" (ironically, "Pravda" means "Truth", btw lol 😂) newspaper they claimed that the Polish factory workers who took part in Solidarity strikes were moral degenerates who were getting drunk all the time and were indulging in sexual orgies during those strikes at factories lol Can you imagine? :D

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So, vilifying protests and protesters, downplaying the importance of a protest and numbers of protesters, denying those protests validity, not showing protests on TV or just cherry-picking scenes that support your narration and agenda - those are old propaganda tricks.


Now that would be one pointless march lol

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [341]

@amiga500, I didn't follow any march advertisements, but this date was chosen on purpose, because it's the anniversary of those free elections. So, for me it's pretty obvious that people in this way were also celebrating that anniversary - by protesting against destroying democracy in Poland which Poles fought so hard for. If I could go to Warsaw to attend that march, I defenitely would feel that way.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [341]


Sometimes they don't, sometimes they do "sh1t".









But even if they don't do sh1t, then elections do:



And this is what this march was celebrating, besides protesting against PiS - celebrating the first partially free elections that took place in post-war Poland in the 4th of June 1989:

wydarzenia.interia.pl/ciekawostki/news-4-czerwca-1989-roku-co-to-za-data-jedna-z-najwazniejszych-ro,nId,6812571

Btw, big protests always do something - they make people realise how many of people who think alike are there in the country.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [341]


..with zero incidents in which the police would have to intervene.


You are truly an idiot successfully and profoundly brainwashed by PiS :(

Off-Topic / Terms of Russian Surrender [116]


I know what's inside RuSSian heads the way you know what's inside Polish heads - by discussing with them.


Do you realise that you're talking about yourself too? :D


I can see that.


That is funny considering that you're one of those brainwashed Poles who lived in PRL :)

Off-Topic / Terms of Russian Surrender [116]


Wow, what a load of spectacular bullsh1t! :D ✨
RuSSians are swallowing RuSSian state propaganda like pelicans (of course I don't mean the anti-Putinists) :D




No, it isn't. It doesn't matter if it's about a war or anything else - RuSSians are equally brainwashed about all sorts of stuff.


It's not just about being educated or not. There are educated RuSSians who are f*cked up too and they repeat RuSSian state propaganda word for word.

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


Well, that's your... problem, I guess.


To be honest, this is a strange attitude to me. Faith is far more important than belonging to one denomination or another. But, as I wrote - that's your business and your take on it. Other people may see it differently than you. It doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong or "greedy".


Did you lose your mind completely? I'm not trying to persuade you to do anything, let alone to "attempt suicide" o_O What on Earth is wrong with you?

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Barney, I know how history is studied :) But the attitude of ordinary people towards a given country is usually the sum of all those events - positive and negative ones. Pluses and minuses.



So, when Novichok writes that "The USSR removed Germans from Poland and closed Auschwitz" - this is one "event". Other events - all the bad stuff that the Soviet Union did to Poland and other countries, nations and ethnicities doesn't "cancel out" that positive event (which is, obviously, an important one), but significantly lessens the impact of that positive event in people's minds. So, if the Soviet Union only defeated the Nazis and left Poland alone and didn't do all the bad stuff the attitude of Polish people to the Soviet Union and it's soldiers would be much better and the level of gratitude would be much higher. I think that's pretty obvious, normal, natural and understandable.

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

@Kashub1410, there are various reasons for which people leave the Catholic Church. But I've never heard of "greed" being one of them. So, where did you get such a strange idea? Do you think people are getting paid money for leaving the Church? lol


If the Church is doing bad at fulfilling that mission, religious people who didn't lose their faith may leave the Church as a sign of protest or become part of another Christian denomination. So, it's not only people who lost their faith that may be leaving the Catholic Church, imho.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]

@Barney, which historians?

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Says who?

Life / Child abuse in Poland [64]

Many people came to Kamilek's funeral:

ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/uIbk9kuTURBXy8wYzY0MTIxYS0yMTU5LTQ5MjktOTkyZC02ZDViNGJjMmIxNGEuanBlZ5GTAs0BaMzv3gACoTAGoTEB

A wreath with inscription "We failed. We're sorry. Adults":

ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/0wbk9kuTURBXy8xYTVhN2JkZC00ZjQ3LTRjMmUtYWM1ZS1hODdkNjM0MmJmNjIuanBlZ5GTAs0BaM0BDt4AAqEwBqExAQ

This is what Kamilek's grave looked like after the funeral:

se.pl/slask/galeria/kamilek-w-objeciach-pluszowego-misia-juz-nikt-go-nie-skrzywdzi/gg-hV1V-6bHP-iKKi/gp-uNHQ-kggN-FCKd

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

According to the newest poll PiS would win the elections, but wouldn't have a majority in the Parliament, probably even if it formed a coalition with Konfederacja:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sondaz-wyborcze-klopoty-pis-wyliczenia-sa-jednoznaczne/1fxtemd

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


What do you mean by that?
Anyway, I got disappointed with Hołownia:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/zwrot-akcji-holownia-zmienil-zdanie-o-marszu-4-czerwca-6891645091822176a

I even toyed with the idea of voting for his party, as a centrist alternative to PO, but I changed my mind... The most important thing is removing PiS from power and so I'll vote for the party that has the biggest chance of winning and that means PO according to the polls. I just wish the opposition would come together - they would have a bigger chance of winning then :/


What an utterly ignorant/stupid thing to say. What has "greed" to do with leaving the Church? Greed is one of the main sins of the Polish Catholic Church these days! :(

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


You keep repeating that, but could you provide some proof for that claim? An article about this? A link to some kind of study or research?


And preferably these days, not in the past, because as Lenka pointed out - we have technology nowadays that would let people get the money without others knowing about it.


Sorry, but I have no patience for demagogic bullsh1ters anymore. You keep disrespecting people's intelligence by bullsh1ting - I won't respect you then in return. So learn some honesty and integrity. Besides, if you write bullsh1t then how am I supposed to comment on that in a "polite" manner? Should I write that you talk "nonsense" instead? That you're "lying"? I bet you'd get "offended" anyway :)

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]

@Lenka, it's similar if we compare it to Germany:

money.pl/gospodarka/800-plus-vs-kindergeld-w-niemczech-porownujemy-swiadczenia-6898665298652032a.html

According to this article Polish child benefit is higher in relation to wages than child benefit in Germany!


Good point!


Why do you keep repeating this bullsh1t?


Wow, what kind of bullsh1t is that? :D This is in no way an argument against the means-tested child benefit. There would be "less responsible adults" getting it no matter whether this benefit would depend on income or not. So what on Earth are you talking about?

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


I didn't. It's just one example of PiS' mismanaging and wasting of public money (I'm not even mentioning the defrauding part). Another recent example that comes to mind - the airport in Radom...


But they didn't. That's the point. The fact that it's just one of the examples of wasting of public money and not the only one doesn't make it right.


Sorry, but I thought it's obvious... This thread, however, is about 500+ and lately PiS promised to increase it to 800+, because elections are coming - hence this discussion.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


No, you clearly don't :(


No, I don't. What a strange and stupid thing to say. It's sad if you really think that. I don't know if you're projecting or you really don't understand why I feel so strongly about this issue. Maybe one of the articles I've read will help you to understand:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/opowiesc-zza-cienkiej-czerwonej-linii-6827475122543136a

A quote from the article:

"Majority of patients in theory could be saved, but child psychiatry in Polish health system is the absolute peak of human tragedy and systemic mess. It should be the object of our biggest national remorse. We are all guilty: the society, because it allows for it, the politicians, because they don't try to improve the situation. Unfortunately, the health workers aren't without fault either."

(please, read the whole article - especially considering that you have kids yourself...)

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


I don't know, because I'm not a fortune teller. Of course it is likely that for people earning somewhat above the threshold would be profitable to act like that, but only to them. It still would be worth it to make such change in 500+/800+ distribution though, imho.


Sorry, but you're being "nonsensical". What do I hope to achieve, according to you? For me, if even one additional spot in child psychiatric ward was created and in this way some kids were saved - it would be enough. One psychiatric hospital built for kids or one additional ward for kids being created - that would be worth it. Do you understand?


Exactly.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


You just stated what you think would happen. And even if there were such "Janusze", it would still save a lot of money for the budget :)


No, not just from 5% of the highest earners. From people like you too :))

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]

@GefreiterKania, what is "pathetic" are those justifications you and your rich friends are using for taking 500+ :))) Human greed has no limits and knows no shame, clearly.


What you earn is a lot for many people, Kania. Both of my parents together earned less than you do. And since your wife works, she earns some money too.


Why? What giving money to charity has anything to do with our discussion? Are you saying that you're giving an equivalent of what you're getting from 500+ (or more?) to charity each month? That would be "charming", but how will it help suicidal kids in Poland? How will it pay for gasoline used by police, etc?


Really? And all I keep reading is how it increased, increases and will keep increasing inflation:

rp.pl/budzet-i-podatki/art36015231-pan-program-500-nie-zwiekszyl-dzietnosci-tylko-inflacje

money.pl/gospodarka/800-plus-a-wzrost-inflacji-premier-odpowiada-na-zarzuty-6898276976065280a.html

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


In case of parents who earn as much as you do - no, I don't think so. And that's because there's no money for more important stuff.


I don't know, I don't count. I send money through SMS to various causes, for example for that JW AGAT soldier's rehabilitation, for UNICEF, Ukrainian refugees, obviously, for Doctors Without Borders, etc. It eats up my phone bill, but I don't know how much each month. I don't earn as much as you do, however, and it's not about charity. It's about the government doing it's job by spending public money on the most urgent things that aren't being taken care of.


And that's my point with Kania (and others like him). He doesn't really need it. Child psychiatric wards need it. People taking care of disabled family members 24/7 need those money more than he does... *sigh* What is wrong with you people? :(

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


At the beginning, as I already wrote earlier, but not in the long run.


Not according to this Polish fact-checking site:

demagog.org.pl/wypowiedzi/wspolczynnik-dzietnosci-a-500-analizujemy-dane-z-ostatnich-lat/

According to official data from GUS birth rate has been falling since 2018:



In 2021 it was lower than in 2008.


Sorry, amiga500, but this is about taxpayers money, so we all have the right to know what's happening with those money. And I'd rather see them being spent on more important and urgent stuff than a private school for Kania's daughter, ffs.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


I knew it. No wonder you're against an income treshold lol What a selfish a-hole.


O wow... Well, clearly, your family needs that money to get your kids out of poverty lol *facepalm*
As far as I remember you wrote that your wife works part-time not because she has to (because you earn a lot), but because she feels like working. That means she could stay with your kid at home and you don't really need a kindergarten. I'm not even mentioning that private school for your daughter...

So, basically, all the taxpayers are sponsoring a private school and a private kindergarten for your kids, while suicidal kids don't get the right treatment from the public health service and the police has to get indebted to buy gasoline for their cars because there's not enough... money... in the budget... for such "unimportant" stuff... Wow...


But this thread is about 500+, not "other areas" and it's a huge amount of money from the country's budget, so it shouldn't and won't be ignored, sorry.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


Read my comment above yours.


Exactly. So what is the point of 500+?


Well, this "show of importance of parenthood" clearly didn't work, because as I wrote already it didn't increase birth rate and it just keeps falling.

Women are saying what would encourage them to give birth - more nurseries and kindergartens, better care at the hospital during pregnancy and while giving birth, making the mother's life and health a priority before and during child birth, etc.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


Sorry, Kania, but that's bullsh1t. There's an income threshold for getting social help from the state for poor families in Poland, so why shouldn't there be one in case of 500+/800+?


But 500+ doesn't increase the birth rate in Poland.


That's a waste of public money then that could be spent on more important things in Poland. Why is it so hard to understand? I don't get it... Especially that it is a huge amount of money every year and it's going to be even more o_O You absolutely don't care about the issues I mentioned in my previous comments - like that serious crisis in child psychiatric care, for example? Sorry, but what is wrong with you??

Kania... What about you? I remember that you earn a lot and you have kids. Do you take 500+?

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


Why would I tell you that? I don't know - I'm not an economist, a social worker or an expert on child poverty in Poland. Experts in the field should deliberate on this issue and help the government make the right decision.

Also, I personally think that if those money are supposed to help kids get out of poverty and improve their situation then it would probably be a good idea if there was some kind of control over what those money are being spent on by the parents. I remember reading a comment under an article about 500+ getting increased to 800+ by a teacher who wrote that he has kids in his school who still come hungry (and so he buys food for them) to classes despite their families getting 500+ because for their mommy it's more important to pay to get her hair and nails done than to feed her kids. Sorry, but stuff like this pisses me off.

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]


"Insane"? Are you a complete idiot? So what's so "insane" about asking why there's money every freaking year for 500+/800+, but there's no money for creating more spots on child psychiatric wards?? Those are logical questions, not "insane" ones. First of all, what is more important for you for the government to do - to sponsor holidays abroad for families or creating more spots for kids in child psychiatric wards?


Until 2021 there's been 156 billion PLN spent on 500+:

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Na-program-Rodzina-500-wydano-do-tej-pory-ponad-156-mld-zl-8166612.html

According to the government 500+ costs us 40 billion PLN a year. 800+ will cost Poland 64 billion PLN a year. Polish budget in 2023 is 604,5 billion PLN. If 800+ started this year it would cost us over 10% of Poland's budget:

energetyka24.com/atom/analizy-i-komentarze/za-roczne-wydatki-na-program-800-mozna-w-calosci-sfinansowac-elektrownie-jadrowa-komentarz

The money spent for 800+ for just 1,5 year would be enough to build a nuclear power plant in Poland.

So, I'm thinking, you know, that even part of that money would be enough to improve the situation on child psychiatric wards. I don't know if those money would be enough to turn them into "Disneyland", but I think it would be enough to at least stop them from being "human zoo" (as described by people who still work there) :(

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Did you miss that part where I wrote that I think 500+/800+ should be based on income?

News / How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ? [280]

@amiga500, if 500+ was able to "magically" allow your relatives in Poland to afford holidays abroad then I'm sure it would also "magically" allow to create some spots for suicidal kids in child psychiatric wards. That would be enough for me. Even if that meant just a few more lives of children saved!


I don't care about your guesses and wishful thinking. I'd like to know statistics.


I don't think only "well-to-do" (middle class, let us say) families shouldn't be getting it. If people are spending those money for stuff like holidays abroad that means they don't need those money. Because there are people and public services who need those money much more than them.


That's the point though - I don't want them to waste and steal the public money! Obviously, there would more money if the bastards weren't stealing them and they're wasting them also in other ways, not just by giving away 500+/800+ ;(