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nott   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War II—usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]—did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized. "

Well, then you are right, of course, I didn't know this definition.

For me it looks like censorship of science, though, staunch defence of a dogmatic canon. Consequently, Irving looks like Giordano Bruno.

Anyway, even if he claimed that no single Jew was killed during the WW2, then stupidity is not considered a crime, in general. Only in this very case - and the law is applied to people who actually have something to back up their claims.

edit: the discussion has livened up... as usual
nott   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

He is contesting the Endloesung in the popularly known version. He doesn't deny the existence of Einsatzgruppen, sole purpose of which was to eliminate the undesirables, of which the Jews were the most important part. Such a wide action seems like needing some systematic plan.
nott   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

To me the crucial element are millions dead. As for the gassing, there's a door from the gas chamber in Dachau in one of the US Holocaust museums. Fake, as historians now agree that there was no gas chamber in Dachau. It was still there years after they came to this agreement.

He gives arguments. Counter-arguments are non-existent, to my knowledge.
nott   
24 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

You have advantage over me here, I am not well versed in the great an honourable Dutch names, so I can't really appreciate how muchly elevated the humble Mosze was. He was not a nobility, though, as you might have deduced right now. That's one of those nuances of Polish history that you seem to somehow miserably miss.

Don't let it bother you, however. It's the 21st century.
nott   
24 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

Ah the assistant of the great Dutch historian van Damrak tot Rokin-De Munt.

Exactly. So glad to find common language with you at last.

BTW, you know van Damrak had Polish roots? His grand-grandfather was one Mosze Hosenduft from Lodz. Litzmannstadt, as you may know it.
nott   
24 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

And who might you be?

Right. Actually, I was quoting Schriftenstein, from memory, one of his obscure manuscripts. Hope this helps.
nott   
24 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

I never stated that anybody controlled it, nobody controlled it, de facto it was the lack of control that allowed it to happen.

Hm, according to reports it was quite a bunch, later on reinforced with workers coming from a nearby factory. Must be hundreds, perhaps thousands of bad Poles.

Led by PPR activists, if it means anything to you. Hundreds of people rioting for hours with no reaction from the authorities. Lack of control in a big city under established communist government.

You really do live in a different world, MG, both physically and mentally. And you know sh1t about history of Poland, either glorious or infamous. You'd better shut up in this topic, for your own good.

And btw, Jews went to the North, not to the East after they were expelled from Spain and Portugal.

Now on this you're dead right, hats off. The only Jew ever who could tread water had already been dead for more than a millenium.
nott   
9 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

Too much frowning causes creases on the sides of your mouth known as "frown lines". Is this truth or is it a myth?

But frowning is about forehead isn't it? MYTH! :)
nott   
9 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

The glass splinter would cause a blood clot or rip a vein as it travels...that would cause bleeding or blockage. You might have an aneurism first, if the clot reaches your brain.

Another myth busted.

So what am I supposed to be afraid of now?

:(
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

What we need are thermometers which contain no mercury whatsoever.

Nor alcohol. Alcohol is bad for you.

Oh, I heard about a man who stepped on broken glass, got a splinter in his blood, it travelled to his heart, and killed him on the spot. Myth?

Not the saddest nation on Earth, no. Perhaps one of them ;) Nah, some are happy and many aren't. That's my take.

I am said. I know it. Now I do agree, that I do not constitute the nation. Sad, innit...
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

I mean deliver by your own ;)

Now you're talking. Yeah, no argument here. You get that blinking orange lamp, and off you go. Battery operated... now that's a vicious circle, isn't it? PP was right.

Poles are the saddest nation on Earth. MYTH! :)
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

yes I know ;) But you are poisoning water. No disaster? Well the fish you eat are pretty often with loads of heavy metals ;)

I just read somewhere here, that only 17% of Poles eat fish. Things start to add up... Polish kitchen is definitely based on reasonable premises. Healthy kitchen. Fact.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

but to collect it carefully, wind the room and send the mercury to the utilisation unit.

Well, that's more like it. Except that I'd like to see their faces at the utilisation, after they had received your... Hold on, do you know that sending dangerous materials by post is illegal? As is carrying them while using public transport.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

Its not my idea, I just read that in such cases ppl whould call them.

Would or should?

Do you know how many batteries end up in general trash? No national disaster reported yet, somehow.

I am not saying that mercury is good for you. I am saying 'znaj proporcją, mociumpanie.'

With all those people breaking thermometers, we have a serious crisis on our hands.

But I AM NOT DOING IT ANYMORE, for fck sake. Keep your thugs away from me.

please...
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

We must all do our part to discourage this class of thermometer breakers. They are a serious threat to national security.

Man, I was a lil' wee kid, please... And I don't even have a thermometer now! I will never have, promise! All Poles are truthful, you know! Polegaj jak na Zawiszy!
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

I think in Poand its free.

I don't know actually. I mean for the real hazard it's like fire brigade, you don't pay, 99%. Now when you call them to pick up a droplet of mercury, they might fine you. Imagine there's a leaking cistern of ammonium right by their base, which they had to leave to travel to your home.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

Btw. what do you do with leaked mercury? throw away into trash? You know its illegal? ;)

Well, I do... both... But I haven't broken a thermometer since I was a kid, honest!

Pogotowie chemiczne it might be, of course, now I would like to see their faces after you had called them and explained the life-threatening problem.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

not quite, because if it go under floor you will inhale it for some more time... It cumulates in your body and can affect your health.

So after breaking the thermometer you rip off the floor, just in case, and scan it underneath with a specialised mercury detector provided by specialised services? Is it free, or do they charge you?
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

And it's a good thing we no longer have mercury in thermometers. That stuff can accumulate and before you know it, there's holes in your cerebral cortex.

Oh I know that. But calling a fire brigade to dispose of a broken thermometer is a bit of an overkill.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

Liquid mercury in room average temp vapours thats why we need to open windows and call proper services if we break up a theremometer .

myth :) I've broken many a thermometer in my life, and I was playing with the mercury as a kid. The amount that you inhale during the while needed to clean it up is insignificant. The Westerners are pussies. Fact :)
nott   
8 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

- The Konfederacja Targowicka, where basically your aristocracy sold the country to the Russians.You have to be proud of that

Well, I can try and be proud of Konfederacja Barska. For whatever it's worth.

- The invasion by the Polish Army of Czechslovakia on 1 October 1938, in coordination and cooperation with Nazi Germany. Occupying the Czech district of Cieszyn

Get some historical background first... It's been already done here.

- The Kielce Pogrom

Right. Poles murdered Jews. For the whole day, right under the eye of the Soviet authorities who innocently had slipped the rumour that Jews kidnapped a child. And the unreasoning mob wisely chose to kill rabbis instead of apparatchiks. Stands to reason, the rabbis drink babies blood, and the Soviets bought us freedom, everybody knows that.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

Harry, get a life. Wank yourself, or what.

Ironside: Who knows worth and value of polish traditions and history?

Welcome to the 21st century. These things are not important anymore in the big world out there.

Says a historian.

History, MG, teaches people things. It is, like, what makes a difference between savagery and civilisation. You learn what people did, you think about it, and maybe you do not do stupid things what they did, or maybe you do wise things that they did. You keep old books, you read old philosophers, you don't have to invent the wheel again. Think about it. At your leisure.
nott   
8 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

Higher entities know that there's great hope for me so I'm happy :)

I'm not that high, really... :)

No? You described a Protestant beautifully.

Perhaps I just described the guy next door, without being too particular.

Mother of God? Prove it!

:) bloody luter... że też ich jeszcze święta ziemia nosi...

Once I was in a discussion about differences, and I spun a theory that what you Protestants lack, is Mother. You are half-orphans, you lot. I mean, the Protestant countries are more down-to-earth, more practical and rational, more serious and sombre. Catholics, are more laid back, irresponsible, emotional, and getting more of life. You deal with a strict Father, yes is yes, no is no, punishment follows sin, no appeal, equal measure or better, for your own good. We have a Mother too, and one of her most important roles is to avert the Wrath of God. However down and under you are, and whatever you've done, which is more important, She's always there for you. The God may be busy or just angry, the Saints indifferent or lazy, the Mother never lets you down.

There's more to it, but Mummy says I'm getting up early tomorrow... :)

A pest? Are you a Catholic who says that a wasp is a pest? White Anglo Saxon Protestant ;)

Wasp is not half bad. A tick is abomination.
nott   
7 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

True!

I told you there's hope for you...

So basically like Protestantism then? :) :)

Oh, well... No. :)

First thing, you don't give up on Holy Mary, Mother of God. Never. And She's the Queen of Poland, you know. Official.

A Jehova's Witness? What's that ;) ;) ;)

wossname... a pest :)
nott   
7 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

I agree, you find God in different ways and not through a text. Still, theology holds meaning for many people.

To each his own, I am not going to ban theology. Like, some people delve into theoretical physics, but most just punch mobiles and drive cars. Sometimes with amazing skill.

You identify with it too but you generally understand why you are a certain thing. Religion need not be discussed, true. Still, please explain what a Catholic is to sb who might not know or is knew to it. Imagine a martian came down from outer space and asked you what a Catholic was. What would you tell him?

:) couple of options:
1. 'It's kinda, you know, our Earthling thing...'
2. I'd give him a Catechism, and wish luck.
3. 'See that man in a black robe? He's an expert.'

It's not so easy, to put Catholicism in a nutshell. I've known plenty of Polish Catholics, and we spent not a single night over the bottle just to find out what it is to be a true Catholic. Quite unsurprisingly, to me, it often boiled down to: be a decent man, keep your conscious clean, pray when you feel like. Ah, well, go to the church now and then. And baptise your kids.

Ok, the formal side of it was quite important. You just prove and improve your faith by conforming to rules, and keeping in touch with the pulse. Something like kata in martial arts. Keeps you on your toes.

I believe we should reach different conclusions and not just follow like sheep. Like my wife :) I don't apply reason to it, I just feel that the water has been muddied and why not just say you are a Christian?

You might be taken for a Jehovah Witness :)

As for different conclusions, you'd be surprised how many Catholics quite freely interpret what is really important, and what not quite so, regardless of what the priest says.

Let her. It's her own way.

Well...

Brian: You have to be different!
The Crowd: Yes, we are all different!
Small lonely voice: I'm not...

:)
nott   
7 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

I've been away for a while, as you may have noticed...

Talmudic hocus-pocus? This is exactly my point. They are discussing the core essence of theology and also of Scripture and you can't see it.

I can see it, I just don't give a damn, actually. So much, that I don't even care if this is a basic problem or not. I could have a go at it, I used to do such things, but it's mainly a scholastic exercise for me.

My point is, that you don't find God by splitting the hair over some old eclectic text re-translated over several languages. That discussion on TV was, for me, a typical fundie exercise on faith, hard to imagine in Europe. You think the first Christians, those dining with lions, cared that much about theology? Yes, I know they started to bicker early on, but for me The Sermon on the Hill is probably all that most Christians need to know.

To call yourself sth is to strongly imply that you understand what that thing is.

No, it's just to state that you identify with it. More or less strongly. Today I was asked by a Hindu, if I am a Catholic. Well, why not, I am. I am not going to explain him the depths and shallows of Faith, as much as I can see of them, only because he needed to put a label on me.

My point is that many don't. It's just conditioning-based nonsense. How can 95% of people miraculously come to the same conclusion based on a wide mass of evidence being available? Probability would show otherwise! It's just a part of the broader sticker culture which religion hasn't escaped :( :(

But what's the problem, actually? Most of our beliefs are conditioning-based. I've never met a person doubting everything that was given them to believe since early childhood. Like that the force of gravity is inversely proportional to distance squared. God manifests in Three Persons? Fine. Induction versus whatever it was? Whatever.

Beware of applying reason to faith. You'll abuse both.