aphrodisiac
7 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]
me too;)
P.S. I think Lech is great beer, especially when drunk cold.
me too;)
aphrodisiac
7 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
got any sources?
no google sources please.
Soki,
even I found better sources for Volyn, you are such a loser lol Please stop putting me to sleep.........and everybody else for that matter. How repetitive can one get, ha?I bet you are under sexed because of your big mouth. Scares all the birds away......
Apparently one of the reasons for the migration of some Poles to the east, was because those who won the Virtuti Militari were promised a farm in the east. I just recently read that in a book, presumably at the expense of the locals.
got any sources?
no google sources please.
Soki,
even I found better sources for Volyn, you are such a loser lol Please stop putting me to sleep.........and everybody else for that matter. How repetitive can one get, ha?I bet you are under sexed because of your big mouth. Scares all the birds away......
aphrodisiac
7 Aug 2010
Love / Are all beautiful Polish girls as crazy as this? [262]
You don't like to stereotype people, because you don't have the need since is may serve as a crutch, or an excuse in situations, where the answer lies right in front of you.
Now can you tell me what it all means? I ain't got a clue.
You don't like to stereotype people, because you don't have the need since is may serve as a crutch, or an excuse in situations, where the answer lies right in front of you.
aphrodisiac
7 Aug 2010
Love / Are all beautiful Polish girls as crazy as this? [262]
well said Shawn:)
I wonder how the Sheep is gonna weasel out of this one;)
well said Shawn:)
I wonder how the Sheep is gonna weasel out of this one;)
aphrodisiac
7 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
still don't see your point, since in that particular area both sides spoke each other languages. Even I speak Polish, which does not make me Polish, or does it?
true, on the government level the relationship is very appropriate.
I don't see how relevant it is to the main topic.
nor this.
Yes but their descendants spoke Polish Einstein!
still don't see your point, since in that particular area both sides spoke each other languages. Even I speak Polish, which does not make me Polish, or does it?
Anyhow let sleeping dogs lie. Relations are very good right now, Poland is batting for Ukrainian entry into the EU, Kwasniewski mediated between the two parties during the Orange Revolution on Kuchma's request etc.
true, on the government level the relationship is very appropriate.
and, the land of Ukraine as perceived by some Poles long ago, more like the eastern southern part from the time of the golden horde onwards-incidentally the Ukraine was freed from the Tatar yoke by Lithuania at the battle of the Blue waters 1362
I don't see how relevant it is to the main topic.
Akcja Wisla
nor this.
aphrodisiac
6 Aug 2010
aphrodisiac
6 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
interesting - just like Sheptycki?
interesting - just like Sheptycki?
aphrodisiac
6 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
in 1938 there was no nobility anymore, so lets concentrate on the topic at hand.
in 1938 there was no nobility anymore, so lets concentrate on the topic at hand.
aphrodisiac
5 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
but those churches in question were Ukrainian, regardless of what association they may carry to the Poles. What is carried to Ukrainians was the fact that the possibility of protecting their ethnic heritage has diminished because of that. Chelm region is just an example.
By 1938 The little Treaty of Versille was renounced by Poland, therefore Poland was not longer obligated to respect the rights of ethnic minorities.
but those churches in question were Ukrainian, regardless of what association they may carry to the Poles. What is carried to Ukrainians was the fact that the possibility of protecting their ethnic heritage has diminished because of that. Chelm region is just an example.
By 1938 The little Treaty of Versille was renounced by Poland, therefore Poland was not longer obligated to respect the rights of ethnic minorities.
aphrodisiac
5 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
the question why is not relevant since Ukraine is an independent country right now, after, as you wisely noticed, many attempts. We are here not to compare Poland to Ukraine since those two countries had a different road to freedom. If I were to compare Poland and its present achievements to other, more developed societies, Poland would not look good, but I understand that Poland is in the process, so I will not bash it against other western countries, it would not be fair.
I can do much better, but I just used your way of argument in order to level with you. Now you see that it was not good idea to use that argument in the first place. The Ukrainian independence is precious indeed and I don't recall Ukraine looking for guidance. Rather I see a numerous attempts of Russia to re-gain its power in Ukraine. Considering the fact that there is a large Russian population, I am not surprised that Russia wants to use its presence in order to gain more influence.
I am not pretending, it was the title of the thread.
By whom. There were some attempt to refute it, but none of them were successful - besides, how can one refute facts.
it was said in jest. You know that neither I, nor anybody else has the power to continue this thread for ever. If people are interested, they will post. Also, Soki, who tried to refute the main topic made it actually much longer already.
I don't play games. This is my first thread about Ukrainian issues on PF, because the topic sparked my attention. I am not breaking any rules on PF.
bringing up discussion is not an attempt to blame anybody. I admit that I pointed out to certain issues, but that is not the same as solely blaming Poland for what had happened in the Ukraine. The issue is very complex and I have no intention to discuss centuries of history of Ukraine, only those which are connected to Poland and Ukraine and my thread fulfills all the requirements.
You missed the treaty issue. Why?
that sounds more like a speech at the Polish White power meeting then an attempt to provide some interpretation of the long history.
true. I have not seen anything worthy attention besides Porzeczka, who provided some sources mostly ON TOPIC. The rest is just a intentional hijacking of the thread.
the question why is not relevant since Ukraine is an independent country right now, after, as you wisely noticed, many attempts. We are here not to compare Poland to Ukraine since those two countries had a different road to freedom. If I were to compare Poland and its present achievements to other, more developed societies, Poland would not look good, but I understand that Poland is in the process, so I will not bash it against other western countries, it would not be fair.
Is that the best you can do? Now explain how come with your precious independence, you are still looking up to Mother Russia for guidance?
I can do much better, but I just used your way of argument in order to level with you. Now you see that it was not good idea to use that argument in the first place. The Ukrainian independence is precious indeed and I don't recall Ukraine looking for guidance. Rather I see a numerous attempts of Russia to re-gain its power in Ukraine. Considering the fact that there is a large Russian population, I am not surprised that Russia wants to use its presence in order to gain more influence.
Oh, so now are we going to pretend we-are-still-talking-about-those-churches part?
I am not pretending, it was the title of the thread.
It was refuted plenty already.
By whom. There were some attempt to refute it, but none of them were successful - besides, how can one refute facts.
And you said yourself couple post higher that this thread going forever is your goal here.
it was said in jest. You know that neither I, nor anybody else has the power to continue this thread for ever. If people are interested, they will post. Also, Soki, who tried to refute the main topic made it actually much longer already.
Oh, you meant "how long like mine opinion wins', I see. I can play your game forever, don't you worry.
I don't play games. This is my first thread about Ukrainian issues on PF, because the topic sparked my attention. I am not breaking any rules on PF.
But you are, obviously, not one among them.
bringing up discussion is not an attempt to blame anybody. I admit that I pointed out to certain issues, but that is not the same as solely blaming Poland for what had happened in the Ukraine. The issue is very complex and I have no intention to discuss centuries of history of Ukraine, only those which are connected to Poland and Ukraine and my thread fulfills all the requirements.
You missed the treaty issue. Why?
that sounds more like a speech at the Polish White power meeting then an attempt to provide some interpretation of the long history.
Where? All I heard from you was ungrounded statements, unsupported by any source.
true. I have not seen anything worthy attention besides Porzeczka, who provided some sources mostly ON TOPIC. The rest is just a intentional hijacking of the thread.
aphrodisiac
5 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
I think that Ukraine is not doing so well, because the Polish know- how has been gone from its territories since 1943. They miss the centuries of Polonisation and they really miss Poles in Ukraine and they have been since 1943. I just have never heard about it, but if you have, I would be happy to find out that indeed you are always right, so far I have NO prove.
Some claim that Poland is a putty of EU - is that true? Why is that? It is a nice chat and we can go on like that forever, but we are not here to discuss your lack of ability to refute my claim that Polish government have destroyed Ukrainian churches in the Chelm region in 1938.
of course it was not solely about that, but I claim that by renouncing it, Poland was no longer legally responsible for respecting the rights of minorities in Poland (which was amounting to apprrox 30% at time), even though it was an important part of it and one of the conditions why Poland gained its independence.
How did you come to such a conclusion. Where in the treaty does it state that it was signed in order for Poland to help the Ukraine gained its independence?
there were very interested and there is a large number of various sources available that indeed Ukrainian were interested in gaining its independence , but I think you are referring to something else.
I don't know.
I am not blaming Poland for anything at the moment, since they have been out of Ukraine since 1943
I am sure that there are some who do, but stating the obvious is not really adding anything to our discussion.
You didn't like Polish occupation, you hated Russian one, but could not manage to stand on your own. Even today, when you are finally independent, you are just a putty in Russians hands. Why is that?
I think that Ukraine is not doing so well, because the Polish know- how has been gone from its territories since 1943. They miss the centuries of Polonisation and they really miss Poles in Ukraine and they have been since 1943. I just have never heard about it, but if you have, I would be happy to find out that indeed you are always right, so far I have NO prove.
Some claim that Poland is a putty of EU - is that true? Why is that? It is a nice chat and we can go on like that forever, but we are not here to discuss your lack of ability to refute my claim that Polish government have destroyed Ukrainian churches in the Chelm region in 1938.
The Treaty was not about rights of minorities.
of course it was not solely about that, but I claim that by renouncing it, Poland was no longer legally responsible for respecting the rights of minorities in Poland (which was amounting to apprrox 30% at time), even though it was an important part of it and one of the conditions why Poland gained its independence.
It was about Poland helping fight for Ukrainian independence.
How did you come to such a conclusion. Where in the treaty does it state that it was signed in order for Poland to help the Ukraine gained its independence?
But since Ukrainians themselves were not much interested,
there were very interested and there is a large number of various sources available that indeed Ukrainian were interested in gaining its independence , but I think you are referring to something else.
why Poland should care?
I don't know.
Want to blame someone?
I am not blaming Poland for anything at the moment, since they have been out of Ukraine since 1943
Blame yourselves.
I am sure that there are some who do, but stating the obvious is not really adding anything to our discussion.
aphrodisiac
5 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
I don't think Poles are interested in Ukrainian perspective and they should not be, but to claim that all Ukrainians were sub-humans who are so helpless, so they need to be occupied by eg. Poles is purely patronizing propaganda comparable only to the Colonial one, where the colonized were made look as inferior in very aspect. Even the post -colonial countries (mainly US) uses this argument to convince its won citizens in order to justify their imperialistic actions against Aphganistan, Vietnam, Iraq and so on. The only difference is: Poland is in no way comparable to US and therefore those attempts to undermine the present position of Ukraine should not be taken seriously.
Besides, since we are of topic:
I don't think that Ukrainians would want to go through another Polonization process, since even though Poland promised to respect the rights of minorities, they later renounced the same Treaty.
Maybe if you look at it from a Ukrainian perspective, neither occupations would be preferable. It's actually a pretty arrogant statement to say to the Ukrainians
I don't think Poles are interested in Ukrainian perspective and they should not be, but to claim that all Ukrainians were sub-humans who are so helpless, so they need to be occupied by eg. Poles is purely patronizing propaganda comparable only to the Colonial one, where the colonized were made look as inferior in very aspect. Even the post -colonial countries (mainly US) uses this argument to convince its won citizens in order to justify their imperialistic actions against Aphganistan, Vietnam, Iraq and so on. The only difference is: Poland is in no way comparable to US and therefore those attempts to undermine the present position of Ukraine should not be taken seriously.
Besides, since we are of topic:
I don't think that Ukrainians would want to go through another Polonization process, since even though Poland promised to respect the rights of minorities, they later renounced the same Treaty.
aphrodisiac
4 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
that is the whole idea:)
This way this thread will go forever.
that is the whole idea:)
aphrodisiac
4 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]
Poles cruel, that must be a lie;)
Got some ancestors who belonged to the glorious Świętokrzyskie brigade of the NSZ?
Poles cruel, that must be a lie;)
aphrodisiac
4 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
yes, you can but you have failed to show the connection between those two events. Instead, you brought the attention to Volyn, as if there were only two events in Polish - Ukrainian history. I am beginning to think that you just don't know anything else besides Volyn.
They're both intimately connected MG, you cannot discuss about polish policies without mentioning what exactly Poles were opposing and suppressing.
yes, you can but you have failed to show the connection between those two events. Instead, you brought the attention to Volyn, as if there were only two events in Polish - Ukrainian history. I am beginning to think that you just don't know anything else besides Volyn.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
no, I don't like to waste my time on stuck - up ******* got some work to do, other then getting involved in another match with you. Boring and tedious.
prove it by quoting me, although I doubt that you can since your reading comprehension sucks:)
I am off for today.....be back later.
So I take it that you are not going to take a bite on that Nathan's "blame-Russians-not-us" point. You have some brains left.
no, I don't like to waste my time on stuck - up ******* got some work to do, other then getting involved in another match with you. Boring and tedious.
You were talking about informative thread and latter about blame, excuses and all !
Make up your mind!
Make up your mind!
prove it by quoting me, although I doubt that you can since your reading comprehension sucks:)
I am off for today.....be back later.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
Yet, I still have to see your contribution to this thread which are devoid of sneer and contemptuous remarks. You have not presented any arguments besides agreeing with Soki, nor have you attempted to refute my claim.
Nor have you done any of the footwork- so.........check some sources, do some reading and get curious instead of bashing anybody who is posting here.
I want to see you prove something for a change, preferable with quoting some sources.
At least Soki tried to defend the good name of Poles by providing many links, you, on the other hand just sneer.
Yet, I still have to see your contribution to this thread which are devoid of sneer and contemptuous remarks.
Yet, I still have to see your contribution to this thread which are devoid of sneer and contemptuous remarks. You have not presented any arguments besides agreeing with Soki, nor have you attempted to refute my claim.
Nor have you done any of the footwork- so.........check some sources, do some reading and get curious instead of bashing anybody who is posting here.
I want to see you prove something for a change, preferable with quoting some sources.
At least Soki tried to defend the good name of Poles by providing many links, you, on the other hand just sneer.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
OK mom;)
As for MG- i like his posts because he is rational and does not have to resort to abuse to put his point across, which cannot be said about other posters including you.
Yet, I still have to see your contribution to this thread which are devoid of sneer and contemptuous remarks. You have not presented any arguments besides agreeing with Soki, nor have you attempted to refute my claim.
Keep dreaming, girl.
OK mom;)
As for MG- i like his posts because he is rational and does not have to resort to abuse to put his point across, which cannot be said about other posters including you.
Yet, I still have to see your contribution to this thread which are devoid of sneer and contemptuous remarks. You have not presented any arguments besides agreeing with Soki, nor have you attempted to refute my claim.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]
which ones? Is it because you consider historical facts as myths?;)
most stories about American Revolution are myths !
which ones? Is it because you consider historical facts as myths?;)
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
he is loosing an argument, what else is new?
Never before seen Sokrates making excuses for his Nazi heroes?
he is loosing an argument, what else is new?
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
you are joking, Germans never tortured anybody, that is news to me lol
Then you know nothing about German camps, which is hard to believe.
So now you are using lies in order to prove your point - how pathetic.
You are running out of options. Still, you have not proved to me that Polish government did NOT respect the Ukrainian minorities, since this is what is thread is ABOUT> lol
I rest my case.
I am done with this topic, since it exhausted itself.
Germans were cruel yes but they rarely tortured victims beyond their institutionalised death.
you are joking, Germans never tortured anybody, that is news to me lol
Germans didnt do that, death in the camps was horrible but it didnt even come close to savage attrocities of the ukrainian "freedom fighters".
Then you know nothing about German camps, which is hard to believe.
So now you are using lies in order to prove your point - how pathetic.
You are running out of options. Still, you have not proved to me that Polish government did NOT respect the Ukrainian minorities, since this is what is thread is ABOUT> lol
I rest my case.
I am done with this topic, since it exhausted itself.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
they were not alleged, they were documented., planned, executed.
don't cheapen the issue.
would it be justified if they were killed in a civil way?
'm sorry but alleged attempts at polonisation
they were not alleged, they were documented., planned, executed.
don't cheapen the issue.
I'm sorry but ukrainians crimes are inexcusable and without any justification, any attempt to rationalise them is stretching.
would it be justified if they were killed in a civil way?
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
Never have, you are hijacking the thread in order to divert attention from the Polish State Polonization action against minorities in Poland.
You're obviously avoiding the topic as much as you can.
Never have, you are hijacking the thread in order to divert attention from the Polish State Polonization action against minorities in Poland.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
that was his premise. God forbid Poles would take a blame for anything, always avoiding responsibility for their actions.
Sokrates said:
but then he says:
This kind of thinking you present will get Poles back in Ukraine, you're weak we're strong, we remember Wołyń, pray we dont ever remind you savage peasants the hard way.
The only thing that saved you dirty murdering peasants from our retribution was Moscow, otherwise you'd be in deeper sh*t then you can ever imagine but Poland is still here and getting stronger, Ukraine is also still here and getting weaker so be careful who you're patronizing.
Your grandparents experienced soft justice during Vistula, you might experience hard justice soon enough.
so when is the revenge coming? Or this is more rubbish you are able to produce so easily?
They also destroyed them.
that was his premise. God forbid Poles would take a blame for anything, always avoiding responsibility for their actions.
Sokrates said:
By your logic Poland should now seek complete extermination of ukrainians for their crimes against our women and children, yet being civilised we dont.
but then he says:
This kind of thinking you present will get Poles back in Ukraine, you're weak we're strong, we remember Wołyń, pray we dont ever remind you savage peasants the hard way.
The only thing that saved you dirty murdering peasants from our retribution was Moscow, otherwise you'd be in deeper sh*t then you can ever imagine but Poland is still here and getting stronger, Ukraine is also still here and getting weaker so be careful who you're patronizing.
Your grandparents experienced soft justice during Vistula, you might experience hard justice soon enough.
so when is the revenge coming? Or this is more rubbish you are able to produce so easily?
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
I see.
guessing is not really what I am after here.
I never have.
yes, I see that.
I did not know who you had in mind. You need to be more specific.
do you have another one?
where did they live, in space lol
yah, I can see your point. POland should have never been insulted by signing the Threaty, but it did- why do Poles always insult themselves and they blame it on (as in this case) Germans and Jews? I was not aware that there was Jewish lobby at that time, please try to use correct terms.
I see.
I guess they would be content to live as Germany dependent state.
guessing is not really what I am after here.
Well, rebels get what they deserve you cannot expect for Poland to go along with their crazy claims ?
I never have.
As long as they are loyal - see?
yes, I see that.
confusion as to what - that what their were and proud of it!
I did not know who you had in mind. You need to be more specific.
hat is your interpretation is not good enough !
do you have another one?
area they are living in ....there no such thing as their territory !
where did they live, in space lol
The treaty it was an insult to Poland, no other country (Germany) were bound by external rules
yah, I can see your point. POland should have never been insulted by signing the Threaty, but it did- why do Poles always insult themselves and they blame it on (as in this case) Germans and Jews? I was not aware that there was Jewish lobby at that time, please try to use correct terms.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
this kind of thinking got Poles in trouble in Wolyn, where the MAJORITY of population was Ukrainian. The only difference is that POLES are out of Ukraine, in case you did not notice, or you still live in another epoch?
I guess the Polonization did not work after all and you are left with what you are left with. Had Poles threted the Ukrainians on equal basis, Wolyn would never happen, but Poles were too hungry for power, so they are left with the lands they have now. The Polish nationalism had to be contained.
Neither Germans nor Russians ever matched the savagery of ukrainians and both Russians and Ukrainians defeated the polish army.
this kind of thinking got Poles in trouble in Wolyn, where the MAJORITY of population was Ukrainian. The only difference is that POLES are out of Ukraine, in case you did not notice, or you still live in another epoch?
I guess the Polonization did not work after all and you are left with what you are left with. Had Poles threted the Ukrainians on equal basis, Wolyn would never happen, but Poles were too hungry for power, so they are left with the lands they have now. The Polish nationalism had to be contained.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
that is correct and that is why minorities rebelled, even though Poland initially claimed to protect those minorities by signing the The little Treaty of Versille.
Quote:
According to the treaty Polish government declared its support for "total and complete protection of life and freedom of all people regardless of their birth, nationality, language, race or religion" (art. 2) and religious tolerance (art. 7 which stated that "difference of religion, creed, or confession shall not prejudice any Polish national in matters relating to the enjoyment of civil or political rights, as for instance the admission to Public employment, functions and honors, or the exercise of professions and industries").
source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Treaty_of_Versailles
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How do you explain the renouncement of said Threaty. My interpretation is: Poland became a country, on the condition (among others) that it will respect minorities within its territory, and then renounced it in order not to be bound by those conditions. Sell out.
I have never come across such term used for OUN- please use correct terms in order to avoid confusion next time.
good, it is Polish land - anybody can thrive there after they get this one right !
that is correct and that is why minorities rebelled, even though Poland initially claimed to protect those minorities by signing the The little Treaty of Versille.
Quote:
According to the treaty Polish government declared its support for "total and complete protection of life and freedom of all people regardless of their birth, nationality, language, race or religion" (art. 2) and religious tolerance (art. 7 which stated that "difference of religion, creed, or confession shall not prejudice any Polish national in matters relating to the enjoyment of civil or political rights, as for instance the admission to Public employment, functions and honors, or the exercise of professions and industries").
source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Treaty_of_Versailles
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How do you explain the renouncement of said Threaty. My interpretation is: Poland became a country, on the condition (among others) that it will respect minorities within its territory, and then renounced it in order not to be bound by those conditions. Sell out.
Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists look it up!
I have never come across such term used for OUN- please use correct terms in order to avoid confusion next time.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]
that is correct:)
As aphrodisiac clearly understood, my comment about him being untermenschen was jocular.
that is correct:)
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
and the Polish state obviously did not, after renouncing The little Treaty of Versille, which obliged them to threat all the ethnic minorities equally. This way Polish government could implement racist religious tactics against those minorities.
quote:
According to the treaty Polish government declared its support for "total and complete protection of life and freedom of all people regardless of their birth, nationality, language, race or religion" (art. 2) and religious tolerance (art. 7 which stated that "difference of religion, creed, or confession shall not prejudice any Polish national in matters relating to the enjoyment of civil or political rights, as for instance the admission to Public employment, functions and honors, or the exercise of professions and industries"). Provisions of the treaty "were obligations of international importance and were guaranteed by the League of Nations". They could not be changed "without consent of majority of the League of Nations Council" (art. 12). National minorities could direct their complaints to the League of Nations Council. Difference of opinions "in legal or actual matters" between Poland and any of the western powers or any of the members of the League of Nations Council, which would result from provisions of the treaty was to have an international character (art. 12).
The treaty was signed by Polish representatives at Versailles (Roman Dmowski, Ignacy Daszyński) on 28 June 1919, the same day as the main Treaty of Versailles (hence it is known as Little or Small Treaty of Versailles. Polish parliament (Sejm) ratified the treaty on 31 July 1919; it was implemented on the 10 January 1920. Poland renounced it on the League of Nations' forum in Geneva on the 13 September 1934.
so the Russians are to blame for this one?
in 1938? What terrorists do you have in mind.
No, state can tolerate such a situation !
and the Polish state obviously did not, after renouncing The little Treaty of Versille, which obliged them to threat all the ethnic minorities equally. This way Polish government could implement racist religious tactics against those minorities.
quote:
According to the treaty Polish government declared its support for "total and complete protection of life and freedom of all people regardless of their birth, nationality, language, race or religion" (art. 2) and religious tolerance (art. 7 which stated that "difference of religion, creed, or confession shall not prejudice any Polish national in matters relating to the enjoyment of civil or political rights, as for instance the admission to Public employment, functions and honors, or the exercise of professions and industries"). Provisions of the treaty "were obligations of international importance and were guaranteed by the League of Nations". They could not be changed "without consent of majority of the League of Nations Council" (art. 12). National minorities could direct their complaints to the League of Nations Council. Difference of opinions "in legal or actual matters" between Poland and any of the western powers or any of the members of the League of Nations Council, which would result from provisions of the treaty was to have an international character (art. 12).
The treaty was signed by Polish representatives at Versailles (Roman Dmowski, Ignacy Daszyński) on 28 June 1919, the same day as the main Treaty of Versailles (hence it is known as Little or Small Treaty of Versailles. Polish parliament (Sejm) ratified the treaty on 31 July 1919; it was implemented on the 10 January 1920. Poland renounced it on the League of Nations' forum in Geneva on the 13 September 1934.
As to churches - it was seen as action to reverse results of many years of forcible removing of Polish culture and element by Russia .
so the Russians are to blame for this one?
Ukrainian terrorists were supported by German state.
in 1938? What terrorists do you have in mind.
aphrodisiac
3 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]
source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia#Number_of_victims
Beginning in 1937, the Polish government in Volhynia initiated an active campaign to use religion as a tool for Polonization and to forcibly convert the Orthodox population to Roman Catholicism.[21] Over 190 Orthodox churches were destroyed and 150 converted to Roman Catholic ones.[22] Remaining Orthodox churches were forced to use the Polish language in their sermons. In August 1939, the last remaining Orthodox church in the Volhynian capital of Lutsk was converted to a Roman Catholic one by decree of the Polish government.[21]
By 1938, thousands of Polish colonists and war veterans were encouraged to settle in Volhynia and Galicia. This number is estimated at 17,700 in Volhynia alone by Polish historians.[23] Ukrainian sources estimated the total number of Polish inhabitants in both Galicia and Volhynia at 300,000 including the 1930s settlers.[24] The short presence of the settlers, as almost all were forcibly expelled by the Soviets to Siberia,ignited further anti-Polish sentiment among the locals.[24]
Sokrates, I will ask again: you are showing me material from 1943, 44, yet you mention year 1938.
source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia#Number_of_victims
Beginning in 1937, the Polish government in Volhynia initiated an active campaign to use religion as a tool for Polonization and to forcibly convert the Orthodox population to Roman Catholicism.[21] Over 190 Orthodox churches were destroyed and 150 converted to Roman Catholic ones.[22] Remaining Orthodox churches were forced to use the Polish language in their sermons. In August 1939, the last remaining Orthodox church in the Volhynian capital of Lutsk was converted to a Roman Catholic one by decree of the Polish government.[21]
By 1938, thousands of Polish colonists and war veterans were encouraged to settle in Volhynia and Galicia. This number is estimated at 17,700 in Volhynia alone by Polish historians.[23] Ukrainian sources estimated the total number of Polish inhabitants in both Galicia and Volhynia at 300,000 including the 1930s settlers.[24] The short presence of the settlers, as almost all were forcibly expelled by the Soviets to Siberia,ignited further anti-Polish sentiment among the locals.[24]
Sokrates, I will ask again: you are showing me material from 1943, 44, yet you mention year 1938.