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pawian   
16 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Do you believe everything you read ? This is a serious question I am putting to you as a teacher.

Seriously, disbelief comes over me when I read your posts. :):):):)

If you have a point to make, then it,s up to you to prove it. So it,s your problem.

No, it is your problem. Ping-pong, ping - pong. :):):)

WTF do you teach ?

Truth, my son.

Better still. Who do you teach ?

I try to teach kids like you. :):):)

Market economy? There is no free market economy anywhere in EU, including Poland.

Believe me, after going through socialist centrally-planned economy for 40 years, Poland DOES have a free market economy today. :):):)

I see not even one good deal Poland got thanks to Tusk's smile. Please provide the list of them If you don't agree with that.

The first that comes to my mind: 3 years ago Russia lifted the embargo on Polish products like meat, fruit and vegetables introduced in 2005 during PiS regime`s rule. Also, Russia started cooperation over Katyn Massacre, e.g., by opening the Soviet archives. Russian President Medviediev visits Katyn Cemetery regularly at anniversaries of the massacre.

But I am losing time because you are going to turn it down as worthless, aren`t you? :):):)

If I provide you with a dozen of links from respected sources proving what I said,

Yes, provide me with respected links where I can read what you said: Poland is heavily criticized by EU for huge deficit and lack of reforms. The ratings are under huge pressure. :):):):)

Especially pawian the teacher and his marvelous "career" :)))

What do you know about my career? But I won`t tell you because it would make you even more frustrated. :):):)

pawian: Hmm, really? I can see some contradictory statements in your post about the army.
Yes, really. Please point them out.

I already did. Go back to it and read carefully.

Well I dont think education reform is relevent.

By chance, don`t you also think that all education is irrelevant? :):):)

You should know, ...... TEACHER ...!
We don't need no education

Yes, I can see that. :):):) Any teaching efforts will be lost on you. :):):)

But I will endeavour anyway:

Stick to your grammar .... :P

Iron, you certainly need more education! Don`t you know blow away has other meanings, too? E.g., 2. To defeat decisively. Or 1 to make someone feel very surprised, And that was what I had in mind.

Besides, it is not grammar but lexicon. :):):) I mean vocabulary. :):) Words.

If you feel it is too much education for you, tell me and I will ease up a little. :):):)

Mine to you got deleted by the mods. Pity.

Mine to you, too. Pity, indeed. :):):)
But you read mine while I didn`t read yours. What was it exactly?

he does not have any views - he's only got political ambitions -

You need to catch up with Polish politics from time to time because you are definitely backward if you don`t know that Palikot`s main idee fixe is his reluctance to the Catholic Church. Most of his recent happenings/interviews focused on fighting the influence of RCC in Poland. Can I advise you to read more current events bulletins? :):):)

Palikot is yet another lunatic and populist if you ask me.

Definitely, he`s not the think tank.

dynamic of the Polish economy (which isn't bad compared to average in Europe, however there are very serious threats)

I see you have started to learn.

In January you commited this thread: Poland is going bankrupt.

Not bad. Keep up good work.
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

and by the way - I am a voter of PiS - even if not an enthusiastic one -

I respect that. PiS voters can be also good patriots of this country. We all want this country to prosper, that`s what matters. Let the better win!

your point 9 pawian - preparations to euro 2012 - I wouldn't be surprised if accomodation and transfer of all those coming to see the championships is gonna end up a one big mess

Gumishu, I am not worried about that. The accomodation needs are overestimated. Besides, travelling around Poland, I saw many old buildings renovated and turned into hostels as well as new hotels built. Sometimes when I drive in Krakow I am amazed at the number of new/old constructions.

and trumpeting around those extraordinary succesess of the current regime,

Come on. The regime ruled when PiS held power. Did you already forget those witch hunts?

pawian:
When you mention examples of corruption scandals during PO rule, don`t forget to mention all previous ones for a fair comparison, OK?

what previous ones? dorsz for 8 złoty or Włoszczowa platform? do you know of any other?

Hey, already forgot how PiS tried to corrupt Renata Begier, by proposing financial gratification from the state money? :):):)

azraelk.eu/2006/09/26/dowody-korupcji-pis-wobec-renaty-beger

Short sighted idea, pawian. Your motherland has no use for dead soldiers. The problem with dead soldiers is that they can't fight anymore. Furthermore, it lowers the moral in the ranks AND in the country itself. Stay alive ... much more useful!

OK, you convinced me. I will stay alive to participate in the underground resistance after Poland loses the war and is occupied. I will run secret teaching courses until Germans track me down and put up against the wall or Russians send me to Gulag gold mine where I will perish anyway.

it fits another thread better (down-dumbing of Polish education) but I let's have a go at this: unemployment among the youth - 22 per cent of all unemployed are below 24 (51 per cent are below 34) - this country desperately needs education that equips young people better for the challenges of real life (which is not achieved by lowering of educational standards)

It is not education that plays a role here but the lack of positions. When the economy needs workers, their education is a secondary problem. All are hired. Currently, Polish economy can`t absorb all, because we are not Germany yet. And it is not Tusk`s fault.

most of the population won't even react to our country being attacked in the first 2-3 days - on the first two days they will be in doubt if we have really been attacked

Why do you hold Poles in such a low esteem? Come on, frustration also must have some limits.

hahah - so we will be fighting russian tank columns with hacking attacks (hope the Russian tank servers are linux then :P)

What do you know about urban warfare? Did you study the case of Russian armoured column massacred in Grozny by Chechen fighters?

The Chechen fighters had an advantage in that they were better motivated and were familiar with the terrain. they were divided into combat groups consisting of 15 to 20 personnel, subdivided into three or four-man fire teams. A fire team consisted of an anti-tank gunner, usually armed with Russian-made RPG-7s or RPG-18s, as well as a machine gunner and a sniper; they would be supported by ammunition runners and assistant gunners. To destroy Russian armoured vehicles in Grozny, five or six hunter-killer fire teams deployed at ground level, in second and third stories, and in basements.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_%281994%E2%80%931995%29

What did we get out of it ?

"Don't ask what your country can do for you. Ask instead what you can do for your country" - John F. Kennedy.

Delph ......... you,re beginning to sound like a broken record.
Do us all a favour and PiSappear.

That is the problem with many PiS supporters. You dream of old bolshevik methods - no enemy, no problem. Gulag or firing squad are the best solutions for you.
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Hmm I'm not sure If I understand your reasoning...

You probably need some rest.

OK, guys, time for relax. Get off your comps for a while and do some exercises.

And doing so, take a look at the beauty of Szczawnica:

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After a relaxing break, let`s go on.

however I was asking for facts. Let's take a look at your list.

I provided you facts based on my personal observances. I believe what I wrote is true, just like many Poles do. If you can`t accept it as factual, it is your problem.

Points 3-5 are irrevelant, you could as well write about Tusk's successes in playing football.

Pathetic rhetorics. In that way no government will be ever able to gain positive reviews, nowhere in the world. Please, ease up on them your so strict requirements! :):):)

Point 6. The foreign policy of Tusk is the one of smiles and shake hands, which itself isn't generating any value added for the citizens of Poland. What did we get out of it ?

Hey, why do you want to count everything into money? Don`t be such a Jew! :):):)

We gained better atmosphere which helps to create favourable conditions for cooperation and investment. Is it so difficult to understand? You are really surprising me now.

"Under Tusk rule, Poland is making a good use of European funds". In quantitive terms we spend a lot but often just to spend it without much thinking about the quality of these projects,

Catching at a straw? :):) Are all projects of bad quality? Facts, please!! :):):):)

I tend to listen to experts and they, such as people from ZDG TOR, a respected think-tank focused on transport, are saying this: railways = disaster, roads = at best average.

Again, catching at a straw. I thought you expected posters to write about 5-10 achievements, not failures. Why are you going back on your words now? :):):) You may write about disastrous railway system after you start a thread called Failures.

The army is not professional. We don't have draft anymore but itself It didn't make the army professional.

Of course, not yet. What do you expect? Overnight miraculous change? But the first step was taken.

2.In result, Poland has good ratings and enjoys the trust of foreign investors.

Not at all. Facts say something much different. Poland is heavily criticized by EU for huge deficit and lack of reforms. The ratings are under huge pressure. Read this one, you can find tonnes of similar stuff, It's not PiS conspiracy.

Hey, can you read Polish at all? If you can, do you understand what you read in Polish? Did you read that article you provided? Could you read it again, with greater understanding? Then you should find out there is nothing about EU, heavily,are under huge pressure, lack of reforms, or huge deficit.

You press me for facts while what are you doing at the same time? Providing bullshit! :):):):) That is not fair!

What the government actually did to point it out as its success ? Please provide the facts. It seems to be a government success as much as nice weather during summer would be. Please provide supporting facts If you don't agree with that.

Catching at a straw again. It doesn`t matter - Poland has been doing well in the crisis and it happened under Tusk government. That is enough for me and millions of PO intelligent voters. If PIS ruled at the time, (God forbid), I would be able to agree that their government did a good job. :):):)

But for you to agree is out of question. :):):)

All in all, I appreciate the effort you made, however most of the points are PR slogans spread by the government, not the facts I was expecting.

I disagree, of course, and it will stay so, I am afraid. Why? Read below:

Interesting read pawian. The problem is you won't change anyone's mind. And to have a sensible conversation with somebody who's a tenacious pis voter is a no can do.

Exactly. I am perfectly aware of it.

But I don`t do it for Grzegorz or gumishu. I know I won`t be able to influence them into acknowledging Tusk`s successes. Look, I listed 10 successes and each was rejected. :):):):) Not even one item was commented positively. Funny, isn`t it?

It means Tusk bashers are too hardened to accept the truth. Incorrigibles! :):):)

What I am doing here is for other normal people so that they are able to form their own opinion, by reading mine or Grzegorz`s and others` posts. The side they choose doesn`t concern me so much. I have done my duty and you will judge and decide.

I wonder where are the roots of this hatred Poles tend to guide towards each other.

There is no hatred on my or other PO supporters`s side. That is only a deep division. PiS is mainly supported by uneducated men from the country and towns who are frustrated by their failures in the market economy and expect PiS to provide them with good jobs, cheap flats, low prices, high salaries and pensions etc.

PO voters are educated, intelligent, dynamic, active in their private life and careers.

You will agree that it is quite difficult for these two groups to get together, won`t you?

Leftovers

I used to serve in the army and am quite familar with this issue.

Hmm, really? I can see some contradictory statements in your post about the army.

Furthermore, no structural changes were made (and there are no even plans for that),

It is not true. It was planned to make 4000 officers redundant till 2012.

Read what Petelicki, Skrzypczak, Hypki and all independent experts are talking about the situation in the army, they all agree that Klich is the worst person in charge of MOD in the history of the 3rd RP.

The problem is that generals and Klich ran into a conflict over those dismissals! Skrzypczak and other officers want to keep the status quo, namely this:

In result the ratio of privates to officers is ~1.6 to 1 when a helthy one would be 5 to 1.

pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

With all due respect, Pawian, but I don't think you will be able to work on 500,000 "etats" :):):)

That`s exaggeration. Judging on my school`s example, there are about 10-15% lousy teachers who should look for another job, preferrably out of school. There are about 15% brilliant ones for whom teaching is true calling. The rest 70% are just good and only need a little incentive to be even better.

Points 3-5 are irrevelant, you could as well write about Tusk's successes in playing football.

How did I know your answer would look like that? :):)
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

But you see, you need to divide your "pospolite ruszenie" into squads, platoons and companies etc.

Come on, we live in 21st century. Have you ever heard of an invention called the computer? :):):)

If they are to, even remotely, resemble a coherent armed force you need
to:
1) train them BEFORE the conflict
2) arm them with something more than rocks and molotovs.

1) There will be enough time for that when the conflict begins. Come on, Russians won`t be able to drop 1 million combat soldiers onto Poland within a single night.
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

As much as I appreciate your sense of humour, it is hardly a joking matter.

I am sorry, I have completed a long serious post, that is too much for my endurance, to balance it I have to make a fool of yourselves and myself for the next ten posts. :):):):)

Actually, I support the abolition of Teacher`s Magna Carta rights.

As a good teacher, I know I will do well without it.

Hopefully, lousy teachers will drop out of schools at last. :):):) Then, I will take their place. :):):)
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Explanation is simple - it is a miracle by Tusk. Any problem with that? :):):)

Jee ... I sound like an old grandpa ... ;)

Or an old wife. :):):)
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

It means that I'm sick and tired of discussing numbers 1-9, so I will just wait and say

I thought you are tougher than that. :):):)

And gumishu also gave up. Come on, guys. :):):) Next ten points are still pending.......
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

If you want to stay alive for a little longer, I'd suggest a longer training, pawian.

Stu, you don`t understand Poles. According to our romatic traditions, we are not afraid to lose our lives for the motherland. I don`t care about my life in the future conflict. What matters is that I don`t waste my ammo which will probably be sparsely distributed for those millions of men defending their country.

Therefore, this old slogan will be valid:

Each bullet - one German.

:):):)

would make perfect sense to have every single man and woman able to use weapons. The training could easily be done in schools - and what schoolchild wouldn't like to blow things up for a couple of days a year?

Yes, I agree. Not introducing it is probably one of Tusk`s failures.
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Come on, guys. We don`t need a big army. We will never match Russians or Germans in the open field, no matter how much we invest into the military. Don`t you know Poland has chosen the urban warfare option, which means that the conflict will be fought not in fields but cities? Training to shoot an assault rifle or throw a grenade from behind the street corner takes one day. The big professional army isn`t an enough deterrent. But the prospect of facing millions of armed Polish men ferociously defending their towns and cities is certainly a huge deterrent.

I hope you don`t mind it? Will you man the barricade? :):):) I will, with my students. We will give Germans or Russians second Warsaw Uprising or Breslau Defence. :):):)

In consequence, what Poland currently needs is just a group of well trained soldiers who will be the core of the future pospolite ruszenie.
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Get a grip, man - Poland can`t stay behind Europe.

The statutory school age in England, Wales and Scotland is from 5 years to 16 years. In England term starts in September, the entry year is reception (R) and children must be 5 before August 31 the following year.

funny how self-centered you are - Stu simply argues with one point you make - maybe he has no problems with other points

Again, instead of rational arguments concerning the topic, you are turning personal and talking about me. Yes, I am faking self-centred, that is why I became a teacher, because I didn`t decide to become a priest or an actor. :):):):)

Now, back to my list, OK? :):):):)
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Funny you discuss my list starting from No 10, which is the least important there. :):)

Does it mean the previous 9 points are undeniable? :):):)
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Looks like you aren't intellectually capable to comprehend that economy is not a zero-sum game.

No. It looks like you are intellectually incapable of grasping simple truth: if it was as simple as you suggest, so many European countries wouldn`t be experiencing such enormous economic problems now.

Besides, what makes you say they don`t fight corruption? Or change law? Or don`t adjust the education system? Didn`t you hear about the preschool reform? I will deal with it in the second part of my presentation.

It seems you are catching at a straw, man. :):):)

Public sector in Poland is very ineffective thus very expensive.

Words, words. And slogans.

Show me the country where the public sector is effective and inexpensive.

You think we don't ? What do you base that opinion on ? Please tell.

I base my opinion on what I see everyday.

Moving from "It's all Kaczynski's fault" to "It's all lazy Polish bastards' fault" ? It seems to be a common trend in some circles.

Catching at a straw again? :):):)

ever heard of the thing called corruption - do you think corruption increased or decreased durging the reign of Tusk (should I mentions some examples) -

Of course it decreased. If you lived in this country, you would be aware of the changes that took place in recent years.

When you mention examples of corruption scandals during PO rule, don`t forget to mention all previous ones for a fair comparison, OK?
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

I was asking about personal opinions of PF members.

Will you ever odczepić się? :):):)

Here you are:

Successes of Tusk and his men according to Pawian

Pawianbonobo Agency
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

You wanna talk economic tell me why Polish debt is growing 100 millions a day?

Isn't it actually +300 million a day ?

It is really incredible. I cannot understand how people who have learnt to speak and write decent English (which requires some intelligence, after all) can be such imbeciles.

By imbeciles I mean all those who critisize Tusk`s government for increasing the national debt and budget deficit but at the same time complain about low salaries, cuts in state spendings, no pay and pension rises, high taxes, etc etc.

Guys, wake up and start working for this country, for fack`s sake! When you work faking hard at last, the debt will diminish.

Comparison:

Chinese workers in Poland

Polish workers in Poland

Is it Tusk`s fault?
pawian   
15 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Here,s an interesting article for anyone who can read Polish ......

I can. But it doesn`t matter. What matters is why you are putting it here.

Simply speaking, how would you comment on it?
pawian   
13 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

The list of successes and failures is here:

On the pages of Chancellery of Prime Minister has been placed a report with the achievements and plans for the implementation of the government's promises delivered by Prime Minister Donald Tusk during Parliamentary statement on November 23, 2007. The report is presented in tabular form and contains the columns: the promise, execution divided into: made, during execution, not performed, and a comment. In the commentary, we can read detailed solution or the reasons of failure to perform the promise and in the case of unfinished task, execution status.

From combined 95 promises Donald Tusk and the government have qualified 48 of them as realized, 17 unrealized, and 30 as in progress. Many of the changes and the promises made in the exposé is taken by the Poles as a positive change. But many of them raises a number of controversies, and is the cause and the argument of the opposition against the government of Tusk. The most controversial are: foreign policy, the fight against corruption and reform of the public sector.

wyborydosejmu.pl/2011/03/lista-sukcesow-i-porazek-rzadu-premier-tusk-rozlicza-sie-z-obietnic
pawian   
13 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

levels of education are plummeting

if you mean it is Tusk`s fault, you are dropping bullshit. Levels had been lowered long before Tusk came to power. Besides, whose govenrment brought back Maths at matura exam?
pawian   
13 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

What are Tusks achievements - means something done which is working as we speak!

You must be blind if you can`t see that Poland managed to go through the crisis quite unharmed under Tusk`s leadership. The economic growth never went below the line, while other countries dropped significantly. We already talked about the GNP prognosis for this year, Poland is catching up with others systematically, e.g., Hungary, which has always been ahead of us.

Of course, all Tusk bashers will say it wasn`t his merit, bla bla bla, someone/something else did it etc etc....

Can I start laughing already at how pathetically predictable you are? :):):):)
pawian   
13 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Now I understand your loyalty to PO ..... the realm of monkeys. lol.

Hey, stop talking about me, though as a typical teacher, I am self-centred and love when the people`s attention is focused on me. :):):) Don`t let yourself be carried away into personal remarks or forget what this thread is all about. :):):)

..... and waiting .... and waiting.

Don`t be silly. I am not going to discuss anything serious with you and waste my precious time. You are not able to understand or accept certain truths. You have already made your mind about Tusk`s government and expressed it. Need reminding, Mr Fair?

Crow: people, i am disappointed with Tusk`s government. Its total disaster and shame
Best answer so far.

pawian   
13 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

No. Cant you see you,re doing it again. " the djihad that may prevail in Poland if PiS takes power."

Yes, I can see I am doing it again. :):):) Thank you for your accurate observations.

So who is to say that if PIS was to be re-elected that Mr. K would be the leader. The important thing is that the successful party fulfill their promises.

Hey, are you really so naive? :):):) Or too clever? :):):)

Correct. If you want to make a fool of yourself.

Yes, sometimes I am overwhelmed by an irresistible urge to make a fool of myself. But others, too. :):):) After all, I am pawian.

Be my guest, ........

I prefer not. Throwing up isn`t my cup of tea. :):):)

and when it will get really tough in Poland,

You mean the Doomsday in 2012? :):):)

you should be wiser.

I try to be. No to PiS!! :):):)

Tusk is an idiot who sold the shipyards then when asked didn't know to whom, case closed.

Only idiots repeat those silly slogans about selling shipyards. The previous governments, including PiS one, did nothing to save them, either.

What,s biased about that ? The guy does not beat about the bush,

:):):) Nothing biased. I must have mistaken you for someone else, Mr Impartial. I am sorry. :):):)
pawian   
12 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

No. You,re pro PO and hence, biased with your opinion.

Now, after your wise judgement, the only thing I can do is to pack my things and leave the country. :):):) And never come back. PO biased supporter, what am I doing here at all? :):):):)

Neutral opinions are more valid,

You want a neutral opinion? Here you are. Tusk`s government is troubled by multiple drawbacks and has scored numerous blunders, even scandals.
However, it is nothing compared to the djihad that may prevail in Poland if PiS led by its manic commander takes power.

Better? :):):)

So "your say", borders on the pathetic.

Still, it is my say to which I have the right and I will propagate it everywhere and whenever I deem it necessary.
I hope you get used to it sooner or later. :):):)

Don`t you understand? We have to defend Poland, it is the matter of life or death.

As a foreigner, you have no idea what is going on here.

Hey, Mr Unbiased, sth wrong with you? :):):)
pawian   
12 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

I would like to ask PO supporters to post 5-10 Achievements of the Tusk's government. Thank you.

One main achievement: Tusk and his team successfully implemented the policy of containment. Namely, they have contained Kaczynski and his pseudo-patriotic oprychnina mafia from ruling this country and, what is more, are still preventing civil war which Kaczyński would like to unleash in Poland to get power.

That is enough for me to eternally support PO, no matter what mistakes they make.

:):):)

Edit: After reading previous posts, I see I wasn`t too original. :):):)

F*ck you you're not polish nor living in Poland you have no say here.

What about me? Do I have a say here? :):):)
pawian   
11 May 2011
Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]

They are all great guys, a lot of good humor and fun to work with. But I'm thinking that this may be a cultural diffenrence. We have talked a bit about this and from what I'm hearing Poland isn't very ground breaking when it comes to equality in any forms (gender, sexual orientation, different religions etc.).

It depends on the workplace. E.g., Polish schools` staff is mostly females. Everywhere I have worked so far my head teacher was a woman. I didn`t object to it as long as they were reasonable and able to control their emotions. Unfortunately, many women are not good managers because they reason through their womb, instead of brain.