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A strong Poland is the goal not present reality. If the misguided opposition that think they're defending democracy (but are actually serving the corproate Petru clique) conintue anrachising things, little can be done to achieve that end.

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There is no one milk soup (zupa mleczna). Thta is a blanket term for hot witner soups containign milk and... it can be rice, barley,rolled ats, muillet flakes, pasta, egg-batter noodles, etc. In my family raisins were not added, but why not. Milk soups can be served salty or sweet. A pat of butter may be added to the hot soup. There is no recipe, just a rough guideline: per serving cp,bome 1.5 cups milk and 1/2 - 3/4 c of any of the abve in saucepan, add 172 t salt, bring to boil stirrign constantly, reduce heat to low, cover and let simmer 5 min.

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the numbers are deluded into thinking they are fighting for democracy. In actuality, unbeknownst to them, they are fighting in defence of the privileges the opposittion (Petru, SLD, PO) scamsters stand to lose their persk and privileges if their dirty misdeeds are exposed.

The best way to obstruct the wheels of justice and vetting is to keep unrest simmering so PiS cannot get its clean-up campaign under way. The Michniks and Petrus and others with a finger in the pie will do everything possible, hurl the wildest accusations and crap in their pants to prevent that. It's as simple as that.

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This is a rerun of 2005. The mugs of the President from Kashubia and PM from Kraków were plastered on huge billboards across the country during the campaign. When that overly self-confident duo lost they were numb with shock and when they came to they uleashed a hysterical fury which came to be known as the PO "hate industry". Again this year they were shaken by the prospect of losing their perks, privileges and hefty foreign kickbacks so again they're stoking the flames of the Polish-Polish civil war with little regard for the country's future or welfare. Is such extremist polarisation of society good for Poland?

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If Polish entrepreneurship is weak, flawed or udnerdeveloped does that mean Poland must be doomed to that state of affairs indefinitely? If there is a problem it should be tackled. The point is rather to upgrade the level of indigenous Polish entrepreneruship, provide the necessary study programmes as well as incentives for students to do those courses. The 20 inter-war years were not enough to offset 123 years of foreign occupation before then and the 50 years of Nazi-Soviet occupation afterwards. Dunno if you were in Poland right after '89, but burgeoning Polish business back then were people who traded off newspapers on the pavement. Then some graduated to "szczęki" (metal street stalls)... It was all very primitive and makeshift. Meanwhile to the west there was Opel, VW, Daimler-Benz, Siemens, Bosch, Telefunken to mention only Germany. Poland needs to make up for lost time pretty damn quick. Otherwise it'll remain a cheap manpower country offering inexpensive investment sites for foreign assembly work and toxic industry with most of the profits getting channelled back home.

But the Western corporate lobby (Petru & Co.) want things to stay the way they are rather than see Poland progress and develop.
How is it that a country that produces some of Europe's best food has to sell it to the Polish public via Carrefour, Leclerc, Auchan, Tesco, Biedronka, Billa, Bumi, Aldi, etc.? Hasn't this ever irked you?

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How would you then describe the politicans in the pay of Western corproate interests? That should actually be against the law or such politicians should be requried to register as agents of influence in foreign employ.

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You are aware of the fact that the term "hate industry" has been ascribed to PO's hysterical reaction to their defeat in 2005, and now they have done a rerun.

Tjhe 18-percenters were the only ones that ever won an election outright, BTW how many fewer percent did PO get?
The ones that will believe anything are the gullible Petru backers who naively think they're defending democracy when they're actually protecting the elitist bankster kickback clique.

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Many dzięks!

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Wasn't it Goebbels that said a lie repeated 100 times gets believed. The superior PR/propaganda machinery of the Michnik/opposition hate industry has kept hammering into the public that PiS are to blame for this, guitly of that, have violated something else, broken some rule or not kept a promise over and over and over until many people involved in their own daily affairs start believing it.

Hats off to Goebbels!

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Foreign entrepreneur-explotiers should be hammered and forced to pay their fair share of taxes. Meanwhile, everything should be done to build up a Polish entrepreneurial class through education, whatever tax breaks and preferential treatment the Brussels Behemoth will allow and various incentives. This should go hand in hand with the creation and promtion of the Poland brand, and indivdual recognisably Polish brands. Foreign corporate exploiters in Poland should be closely scrutinised for corruption, kickbacks or other financial irregularieis.

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At least PiS want to create a Polish entrepreneurial class. Re-polonising banks and brodacsting is another way of hoping to decrease foreign cotnrol, żeby Polska była Polską! No-one knows how, when and even whether they'll succeed but at least this is on their agenda. The so-called "market-friendly" parties want nothing to change and are only concerend about pleasing and getting kickbacks from their Western corporate masters and to hell with Poland's little guy. He can fend for himself, right?

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I agree. PiS lack the slick, smooth, glib and slippery cleverness and well-oiled PR machinery of the deceptive abeit persuasive pro-oligarch lobby which passes itself off as a "defender of demcoracy". If they admitted they were actually defending the privileges of and getting hefty kickbacks from foreign, banks, retail chains and media concerns, their following would be very small indeed.

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LATEST IBRIS POLL:

PiS 30
Petru 25
PO 15
ZL 7
PSL 6
KUKIZ & KORWIN 5

Looks as though multi-millionaire bankster Ryszard Petru will be replacing the Tusk/Kopacz clique as Poland's chief pro-oligarch lobbyist. But, like his predecessors, he too will couch his backroom connections with cleverly phrased pro-demcoracy rhetoric. Will the Polish people let themselves be duped again?

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A convenient pretext. If it wasn't that, it'd be something else. The main thing is for the opposition's hate industry to turn over in top gear.

Crowd size? Ridiculous! Just recall how many Hitler and Stalin could draw into the streets. Does that make their evil ideologies any less evil?
The key question which you and many others have failed to answer:
IS IT TRULY IN POLAND'S INTEREST TO KEEP DEEPENING SOCIETY'S POLARISATION?


Another is George Soros and his Batory Foundation. Behind all the high-sounding "civil society" rhetoric are the heavily bankrolled movers and shakers serving Western big-money interests.

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What about high treason by a naturalised expat?

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Corporate/banking forces are known for their PR savvy and are well-equipped to dupe the masses and find ways to drag them onto the streets. A sincere, low-key, grass-roots movement such as PiS lacks the sophistication and organisaitional skills to complete with heavily bankrolled, big-time capitlaism as represented by its professional defenders: PO and Petru! Also Sunday's chilly, rainy weather also cut into attendnace. But it's not the crowd size that's important. What matters is that one side represetns ordianry Poles, the salt of the earth and backbone fothe nation, the other -- the lackeys of foreign big- money forces and those who fell for their deceptive but clever pro-democracy rhetoric.

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Only in relation to a real government, not a pawn of foreign "investors" and other exploiters whom the Platform and Petru serve.

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Probably the Miller faction (with or without Miller) does nto wandt to shed its SLD logo and lose itself in the ZL coalition. More interesting sóis what Razem are doing. They could become the "court leftists" in a future Sejm.

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Merged: Gwiazda recalls the birth of TK

Andrzej Gwiazda, Wałęsa's long ingored original deputy leader of Solidarność, addressed Sunday's Freedom & Solidarity March and recalled the brith of the TK: "Not long after martial law was declared the regime changed to law to enable the nomenklatura to steal officially. Also in February 1982 they set up the TK as a contingency safeguard against any possible power-sharing in fuutre. That was to be an efffective way fo block any legislation of which the regime did nto approve.

When the Michnik, Kuroń, Wałęsa, Kwaśneiwski, Tusk, Pawlak Moczulski etc. clique took over in 1992 (see "Nocna zmiana" on the nocturnal palriamentary coup), Gwiazda, Walentynowicz, the Kaczyńskis and others remained faithful to Soldarity's anti-communist ethos.

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Wanting someone to resign and forcing him to are two different things. You think KOD will be upping to street ante to 100,000, 200,00, 500,000 and then lead the storming of the presidential palace? If so, you think the government will just stand back and passively watch the goings on? Even precludign that drastic scenario, do you believe further deepening the divide and polarising the country even more is advisable? Does that not play into Putin's hands?

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Thanks. Very helpful. But I couldn't find where they translate the reusults into Sejm seats.

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LATEST CBOS POLL:
PS 35
Nowoczesna 21
PO 15
Kukiz 8

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The word is żłóbek (pronouncned ZHWOO-bek). A żłób is a manger where fodder for liverstocvk is placed. The diminutive has come to mean a Christmas

crèche or nativity set. Other terms for this in Polish are szopka and stajenka.

Szopka

Merged: Profesor Nadzwyczajny Doktor Habilitowany?

How would you translate:

Profesor Nadzwyczajny Doktor Habilitowany
into English?

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Experts place the blame for the current commotion squarely on PO's shoulders. Certain media have joined the "hate cmapaign" circus and are outoing

m each other in trying to deride and discredit the democratically elected government. But the protesters cannot count on the support of the Polish nation.

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Not at all. The Polish voters who rejected 8 years of Platfus misrule and democratically elected PiS are lookign forward to a long, successful and flourishing governance. Desptie the stumbling blocks and sabotage of the frustrated loser camp, a decent pro-Polish party will ultimately prevail, Eight years of paid lobbying in the service of foreign business interests is more than enough.

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So you're saying the Brit Bullies are the only exception. Oh well, maybe when they learn to speak Polish by 2030 things will change. By then Poland will have been flourishing after 15 solid years of wise, prudent and farsighted PiS governance.

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So they have chosen the "beating a dead horse" option. Sounds like something they'd do.

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If this is true (we await official confrimation) then the matter has been defintively resolved. Now the frustrated losers will have to take their hate campaign to some other field of endeavour or try to keep beating the dead TK horse.

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Tak krawiec kraje jak mu sukna staje. You can only work with what you've got. All parties had to depend to some extent on ex-PZPR people because the regime had reserved positions of expertise and competence for such types. Still, no other party in the Sejm is riddled with as many PZPR-raised types than PO and that somehow never concerend or bothered you too much. PO and its predecessors (KLD,UD, UD) are the ones that sold Poland's assets off to foreign interests for a song causing widespread unemployment (think PZPR's Balcerowicz). A commie-created body (TK) headed by PZPR's Rzepliński took centre stage in the current row. And PO continues to be a client party serving not the Polish nation but the "markets", i.e. Western big-money forces, That too doesn't seem to bother you much either. Only someone with a vested interest in PO's continued power monopoly could be so chauvinistically platformerian and one-sided!

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That's jsut a red herring to confuse things and cloud the issue. The bottom line is that PiS are a truly Polish party, of, by nad for the people that want only to reform the country and serve the nation. PO are not even a bona fide party but an agent of foreign interests that want to serve their well-paying masters. That is a huge difference.