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This is not what Nawrocki says.

This is not what KORWiN says.

Not what the folks of Ruch Narodowy say.

Not what the Zjednoczen folks say (Thank you Grzegorz!).

-//-

Maybe your PSL boys entertain such thoughts, but not the "meat" of Konfa.

And Konfa is the kingmaker, now and in future elections.

What can be done without them? Nothing.

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Kania - if it's "time" - then you must understand that you will also fight without America.

If Poland unilaterally joins the war against Russia - even other NATO members have no obligation to you.

It will be you, and the Ukrainians with their naked asses - against Russia.

You'll probably also get sanctioned by the US.

Why don't you ask the French and the British, why they spent 18 months talking about deploying a force to Ukraine, and then suddenly shut up? What happened to the Coalition of the Willing?

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Newspaper articles and Twitter posts published - now the comments from Ukrainians are pouring in....

It doesn't look great for Zelensky (or good - I guess - if he wants to show Trump that the proposal is a non-starter).

It looks like the overwhelming majority of comments are... not happy ones.

Surprisingly enough - the Ukrainian military community of Twitter and Facebook are the ones that seem to have the most reasonable reaction.

Civilians, especially women, are pissed off at Trump and demanding "Vladimir, hold strong". Idiots.

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Sorry Admin - you know I rarely ever do this... sure - posting an image with full text is perfect. but I believe this is a historic moment so just wanted to post the statement in full.

Zelensky just addressed the nation.

FT's Chris Miller reposted. Image below:

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News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 26 [1183]


You're being a bit dramatic.

Western experts and Ukrainian realists are saying the plan is not half as bad as it may seem at first glance.

1) The Ukrainians would never have been able to support a standing army of 1.2M people. Even a twice reduced number of 600,000 is too heavy a load for their battered economy.

This means - in effect - that there aren't any real restrictions on Ukraine's army. Even at 200,000 - it would still be one of Europe's largest armies (this, in Europe's poorest country).

2) It seems Russia is agreeing to give up ant least half of its $200B parked in Europe, for Ukrainian reconstruction. Somehow, America also collects 50% of the profits from this reconstruction - which I don't really understand... WTF are profits from reconstruction?

3) Joining NATO was a pipe dream anyway. So Ukraine enshrining its neutral status in its constitution, and NATO amending its charter to say Ukraine can never join the org - doesn't really change anything.

4) It is made explicit that Ukraine can and should join the EU.

5) Ukraine receives US security guarantees. If Russia restarts the war, the US becomes legally obligated to defend Ukraine.

6) Russia (but also Ukraine) agrees to introduce changes to its school programme, promoting tolerance and understanding of each other's cultural legacy.

The worst part for Ukraine, is leaving the Donbass.

That's painful, but not the end of the world. They lost 99% of Luhansk, and about 79% of Donetsk.

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Not sure I can follow your logic?

If Ukraine refuses to subscribe to the framework, and decides to continue fighting on in hopes of a better deal - it would be forced to rely only on Europe's resources.

In some aspects, the Europeans are capable of fully replacing the Americans, but in others they are not.

Intelligence has been many times cited as THE KEY ENABLER of Ukrainian successes.

American intelligence provides warning to the Ukrainians as bombs are being wheeled up to bomber jets (long before they are even airborne).

American intelligence makes it impossible for Russian forces to accumulate too close to the front lines - otherwise an HIMARS or ATACMS is liable to land on the troop grouping.

Without American intelligence - the Ukrainians will have to rely on their little drones to spot Russians - when they're already close and moving in on their positions.

-///-

Meaning - continued fighting without US intelligence is likely to be chaotic and damaging for Ukraine.

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Reuters is writing that the Americans are holding out the threat of a full suspension of weapons transfers and intelligence sharing - if Zelensky does not sign on to the framework by next Thursday.

It seems the speculation of the past few days that this is not the "real" plan, but instead yet another hallucination of Witkoff - did not pan out.

It is a real plan, and Rubio and Trump have approved it.

It seems Congress was not informed (Lindsey Graham has been making various noises of indignation), as well as the Europeans.

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Today is the day, Maf chose to come out in favor the National Socialist German Worker's Party of Germany.

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If he is some Indian troll, and just represented a dead grandfather... then Hell is waiting for him.

Alternatively - he told the truth - and I can not help but recognize his family sacrifice.


Мое почтение твоему деду. Прости если меня заносит тут, но я не думаю что с Поляками нужно так общаться...

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I trust you see the question is not as simple as may seem to paranoid minds.

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Mine was a «радист-пулеметчик» или «радист-телефонист» (по другим документам), в экипаже T-34-85.

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I suppose one final thing I will say - my great grandfather fought in the Lvov-Sandomierz Offensive (and eventually burned in a tank under Warsaw) - under a Polish commander.

My family spilt blood - directly - for Poland. Under Polish leadership.

I will not spit on his memory.

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Stick this jingoist nonsense up your ass - unless you are willing to hop in that tank and storm that position.

In that case - I will shake your hand and wish you good luck.
-//-

You talk like a hysterical woman.

Awaken. Come to your senses.

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@grabber

Don't be an idiot.

Poles will fight - and they will fight hard.

As hard as the Ukrainians? Who knows. But they will fight...

It will never be easy.

-//--

Why do this? What do we need from them - except to recognize that they were wrong?

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I remember for ten years the same songs about Ukrainians....

And what?

They are fighters!! As good as us, or quite nearly. It is a hard job to put these Ukrainians back to bed - even you will admit.

The Poles - they always fought us - until they had no strength left.

As part of our armies, Poles always moved in the vanguard. Our greatest Marshalls included many Poles or people with Polish ancestry.

Poles know how to fight - don't delude yourself.

-//-
Don't be a monkey.

They are brothers. We work together, or we perish separately against the American/Chinese push.

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The Poles are famous fighters. The Germans... they know too how to fight.

This will not end as you think.

We will all lose.

Even if we win, and we dominate them, and make them our slaves - how does this improve the life of the average man in Novosibirsk?

We don't need slaves - we need friends.

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@grabber

I don't think you are doing nearly as good a sales job as you think...

We usually don't tempt our customers with radioactive dumps at their shores...

We offer unity.

We offer greatness - in this life - not the next.

We offer adventure.

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He is good... and solid.

No complaints.

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A solid individual.

Ideologically resilient.

Passionate.

Give me 1,000 such Grabbers and I will take Warsaw and Bucharest.

Good material - even half a glance shows this.

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No, but he chased these ******** around the forests of Galicia, putting to sleep nearly every single one he could find.

Now this monster is raising its head again....

It is our duty to stamp it out, and not give it oxygen.

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We don't need anybody - unless it is to teach them an important lesson - which they always seem to forget.

We have enough work inside our country for the next 100 years...

It's just these annoying foreigners...

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@grabber

Allow me to shake your hand, Comrade?

Pleasure to make your acquaintance.

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We don't care.

We dealt with them quickly.

They are generational cowards and swine.

My grandfather made many of them a permanent piece of the past.

We know how to deal with these nationalist pigs, and how to make them eat their own ****.

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To my mind it is over.

What is left is to observe the agony of Zelensky. Every day provides juicy content.

Little crumbs like CMS and Maf having psychotic breakdowns is also nice.

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Stop scaring people.


Actually that is the one thing we are very good at and can guarantee for you.

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These people are not Christians. Except for Torq and Iron maybe.


Yes. I think so.


Next time America drags you into some stupid war, which you will join to prove your purpose as a dog, we will kill as many soldiers as we can.

No more limits.

Weapons. Money. Rewards.

You kill us, we will ensure that you feel it too during your next adventure.

Think, Vietnam, think AFG of the 1980s vintage.

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It's not threats - it's logic.

Already people accuse of untold crimes. Even as we prosecute the most humane large-scale war in the history of modernity.

They don't seem to understand that we do this - because the Ukrainians are family. In the end - we love them, and would not forgive ourselves if we did it in such a way that we lost our humanity.

But for the others, who threw logs and gasoline on the fire - we have nothing but the purest hate.

They are murderers - just as much as us. But... they have no excuse - unlike us.

You can't create a meat grinder for Russians for four years, and then hope that they will come crawling on their knees for forgiveness.

We will ask from Europe. We will ask from America. And if we do not get paid - we I'll extract our cost somewhere else until you understand who you are dealing with.

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Stop pretending to be thick.

We gave you the most industrialized lands in Germany.

And took farmland in the East.

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They don't want to hear this.

If Russia is allowed to war as it is used to, and not against relatives - then things will happen on an accelerated schedule of course.

In Europe, we can flatten cities without concern.

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lol.

We gifted you a third of Germany.

Not happy?