Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]

Thanks a lot FUZZYWICKETS for that explaination!
I'd say more bartenders like that (professional) in Poland and it will be perfect.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


Well yes, but any way it looks better, doesn't it? When you're a regular client and every 4th, 5th or whichever is on house then you feel better. And I hope they do not pour water to cocktails - not to good customers. It may be naive, I know, but I'm sure it's not like that everywhere.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


I really like that idea! The staff is pleased with tips, and you are pleased with 4th one on the house. Super! I haven't noticed that in Poland unfortunately (only once maybe, in a Poznań bar)

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]

I don't think they'd be surprised. It is common in Poland. But not common to everybody to give tips. 10-20% is my standard too.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]

So for normal, decent service how much would an American tip in Poland?

Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

I'd object to the third one, but if you agree i'd exchange this for not-so-good quality of service.
On the other hand there are exceptionally good services in other places.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


Yeah, and never take a leak from the windward side (every sailor knows that!)

But comming back to the matter...

Over the past couple of years I've been practising a habit of giving extraordinarily high tips (>30%) at the first visit in a place I liked and planned to come again. In most cases it also worked for me as a client later.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Nothing changes the fact "poszłem" sounds terribly. Same is with introducing yourself starting from your last name: Kowalski Jan. It is still common amongst low-educated people and mainly by older generation (I percieve it as a post-effect of communistic regime where it was a standard, like citizen Kowalski Jan). But now, and for a quite long time, it is always the normal form: first name first.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]

Ok, how about barbers? Do you tip them? Sounds a bit ridiculous to me to leave a tip if a friend of mine was getting her hair dyed and cut, paid 280 PLN for 2.5 hour service. For me tipping a barber was always not in the right tone, but maybe I is just me. A few books on savoir vivre actually say you don't tip barbers in Poland...

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


People here do pay tips, not all however. But most of us here wonder if service should be subsidissed additionally (tip). Why doesn't anyone give a tip to e.g. a nice shop attendant/check-out lady? Their job is often far worse than servers' and nobody gives them extra money just for being good at their job. It also counts I think, as whenever I forget to weigh vegetables in a supermarket the check-out person goes to do it for me, which is not common in all places (they'd send me to the back of the line) - and I should tip them but I don't think they'd even accept it.

Check out Australia as King Sobieski wrote - US tipping is not probably the pattern to follow as it just spins the vicious circle, that's all. If waiters were paid decent money, the tips would be a reward, as they should be in the first place. In AMerica it went too far, and also the tax system there described above is supporting this. Since there's no such thing in Poland why follow artificial trends? Tipping for good, or even average service I'd say. But not as almost obligatory thing!

Food / Do you call it kiszka or kaszanka? [55]

Yes, but bear in mind that when a guy from Poznań says kicha he means usually any sausage. It depends though...

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


Appreciate that;)!
Also I agree with your comment on my last post. Comparing is good. I just don't want to delve into US tipping. And definitely not transfer those habits to Poland.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]

Yes it's a filthy practice. I think I've read somewhere that it has to be written in the menu or stated before by the staff if they add the tip (or any additional fees) to the basic price.

Food / Do you call it kiszka or kaszanka? [55]

Kiszka or rather kicha in Poznań lingo means almost all sort of smoked sausages etc. (kiełbasa)

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]

duh! ;)

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


-Fine! I'll meet you there;)
What's wrong in keeping to the point of the discussion? I didn't want to read too much about wages and regulations in the US as it has got nothing in common with Polish reality. As I said it's good to compare, but I think some guys went (you?) went on to far with digression. Off topic.

But really, thanks for insights on earnings of US servers etc. - still it has little correspondence with tipping in Poland.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]



-well, if you and Convex want to talk about tips in the US then start another topic, because this one is about this phenomena in POLAND - as the thread implies ("Giving tips in Poland").

we can compare it with other countries, but it is more relevant to compare with European countries. You just focused too much on the US probably.


- that's a real insight! :))

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


The topic was about POLAND and tipping in Poland. Enough of comparisons with American tips, as it's a different story and completly different system, please.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


I take it as a joke obviously. But for the sake of clarity: we all here mean tip as German Trinkgeld, Polish napiwek ,n or bakshish. Not advice, porada...


I liked your last inputs F stop.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


Why tip for lousy service? :) I only tip if the waiter has dropped my food on his way not more than once!

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

If it's the same then would you say "pięć jajów" ???

Until quite recently you did not conjugate words like radio, kakao, studio, but a few years ago it evolved and now it is allowed. "Witamy w naszym studiu", "dziś w radiu", etc. So maybe pięć radii, huh? Anyway I don't see when you would say that? What does it mean? How can you count radio?

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

You mean appliance? Radio reciever? Radio station? Channel? Because radio as is is hard to count.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]


Ok, but why should the customer pay more than the receipt? Why doesn't the proprietor of a cafe or restaurant pay a decent wages and the staf have to rely on tips? It's like spinning a vicious circle some would say.

To be perfectly clear I myself do tip for service, always for good service and I'm actually not very demanding of what a good service is. This discussion about tipping customs arose among my friends and actually both sides had really good arguments...

beelzebub


Exactly, why then not have it on a receipt? - Because you want to tip the person that served your table not necessarily the owner of the place.


Sales people usually work on a commission or basic salary + commission. A tip is not commission.
It is different also because the tip is not included in the receipt and commission is. And whn you use to e.g. real estate agency, the agent is working on a commission that's included in the total amount you pay to the agency, right?


It's a norm in the USofA. We probably shouldn't follow every pattern as this one is especialy ridiculous. 20% is a lot, ther has to be some limit. Spinning the vicious circle again;)


- You said it: GRATUITY. Not remmuneration. Why it became like that the owner of the place pays only half of the decent wages and the rest is pushed on the customer in the name of the TIP?

It's becoming to look like in some countries in the Middle East, tip for everything, a barber, a tour guide, everything. I'm wondering, is that a good direction?


- And I hope it will not reach the point of sillyness


- Exactly, a tip by definition is rather a kind of reward or gratuity for nice service - not a part of salary!


I wouldn't put it better:). But still we're left with the social pressure to give tips not to be jerks, we want to give them actually, and at the same time we happen to be forced sometimes to pay when it was not earned, right?

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


Swedish? If not then Norwegian or Danish, but I'm betting on Svenska. And what the heck it means? Does this make any sense? I recognize a caouple of words in it but still can't figure out the whole.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]

I think the reason why tipping is so popular is that it actually has quite a low-motive basis. You give it to make you feel better. Generous, following the code. On the other side you have a satisfied bartender/waiter.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Wish I didn't stop learning it. No way, for me it was quite simple as long as (as in every language learning) you practise writing kanji and learn the rules. I sometimes felt it like "it's so simple that it's hard", as we have developed grammar rules and e.g mandarin has it different, simply said designed by a different architect.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


- true, and that's exactly what I was saynig before. Anyway the article (link in the beginning of this thread) was really silly, serious mistakes in it ("7 genders, 7 tenses"... etc.)


- I surmise that from his accent and the way he talks:)).

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

There. I had had something to say but I'm speechless now:))))))))

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


what's that? calling names helps in discussion or it's your style?


-or you are working on a reputation? :)

Delphiandomine proved some points, and expanded some ideas, I haven't noticed sarcasm in his posts.

Will that reconcile you if I write that there are silly rules in Polish and in English, and both languages happen sometimes to be inefficient, and sometimes you can say sthg better in English and some other time it's more efficient in Polish?

Elaborate language forms are complicated obviously, but I wouldn't agree that Poles have more problems with answering language questions than e.g. Englishmen...