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3 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
Name 5.
most of us here are Russian haters
Name 5.
Torq
3 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
Who are you talking to? There are only Russia lovers here (genuine or in denial).
Memo to Russia haters
Who are you talking to? There are only Russia lovers here (genuine or in denial).
Torq
3 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
I just checked that "z palcem w dupie" in Russian is "как два пальца об асфальт" ha ha - Russian always seems to be less vulgar than Polish. :)
I just checked that "z palcem w dupie" in Russian is "как два пальца об асфальт" ha ha - Russian always seems to be less vulgar than Polish. :)
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3 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
This is regular infantry? OK, it has been a problem with nomenclature then.
Not in Wojsko Polskie. All the units, no matter which branch - anti-aircraft defense, logistics, whatever - go through basic infantry training. Hm... or at least it used to be like this in the days of conscription. Maybe these days, with specialised professional armies, it is different.
You must surely be joking! Getting out of their holes and running towards enemy positions is exactly what average Joes from regular infantry units have been doing ever since mass conscription has been introduced. Whether they were very successful at it is a different matter. When 1st Infantry Division (1. Dywizja Piechoty Legionów)- so-called 'iron division', definitely elite - was surrounded by the Germans in 1939, general Wincenty Kowalski said "we may be surrounded but we will exit the encirclement wherever we want, walking on German stomachs", and they did! Regular infantry divisions in such situation would fight but eventually be destroyed. That's the difference between elite and regular infantry.
Were those Koreans successful? I mean, did they actually manage to take several Ukrainian positions or did they only manage to die while trying? This might help establish whether they were elite or regular.
By the way, I'm 46 and I will run 500 metres with a backpack and a gun with a finger up my ass (if it's not idiomatic English - it means effortlessly, with ease). :)
Regular infantry (45+ or unfit)
This is regular infantry? OK, it has been a problem with nomenclature then.
Assault has always been preserved for "elite" formations
Not in Wojsko Polskie. All the units, no matter which branch - anti-aircraft defense, logistics, whatever - go through basic infantry training. Hm... or at least it used to be like this in the days of conscription. Maybe these days, with specialised professional armies, it is different.
You can't ask Average Joe to get out of his hole and run 500 meters across an open field.
You must surely be joking! Getting out of their holes and running towards enemy positions is exactly what average Joes from regular infantry units have been doing ever since mass conscription has been introduced. Whether they were very successful at it is a different matter. When 1st Infantry Division (1. Dywizja Piechoty Legionów)- so-called 'iron division', definitely elite - was surrounded by the Germans in 1939, general Wincenty Kowalski said "we may be surrounded but we will exit the encirclement wherever we want, walking on German stomachs", and they did! Regular infantry divisions in such situation would fight but eventually be destroyed. That's the difference between elite and regular infantry.
Were those Koreans successful? I mean, did they actually manage to take several Ukrainian positions or did they only manage to die while trying? This might help establish whether they were elite or regular.
By the way, I'm 46 and I will run 500 metres with a backpack and a gun with a finger up my ass (if it's not idiomatic English - it means effortlessly, with ease). :)
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3 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
Foreign auxiliary formations rarely receive the same support as core forces; but still, advancing on enemy position when you are told to advance, with proper support or not, is regular infantry stuff.
If this is what passes for 'elite' these days... Ah, well, maybe I'm just getting old.
I really don't understand why the North Koreans seem to act alone (...) when they go on attack.
Foreign auxiliary formations rarely receive the same support as core forces; but still, advancing on enemy position when you are told to advance, with proper support or not, is regular infantry stuff.
If this is what passes for 'elite' these days... Ah, well, maybe I'm just getting old.
Torq
3 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
@Bobko
Well, you said "with minimal support" and then went on to describe every possible pre-assault support they could possibly get.
If that was the case, then the final part of the job belongs indeed to foot soldiers. But in such situation it's nothing 'elite' about it, just regular infantry job.
Not disrespecting those Koreans, of course. Brave soldiers.
@Bobko
Well, you said "with minimal support" and then went on to describe every possible pre-assault support they could possibly get.
If that was the case, then the final part of the job belongs indeed to foot soldiers. But in such situation it's nothing 'elite' about it, just regular infantry job.
Not disrespecting those Koreans, of course. Brave soldiers.
Torq
3 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
Sounds like a recipe for premature death.
Brave, yes. Elite, hmm...
Crossing open terrain, with minimal support, and storming enemy hardpoints.
Sounds like a recipe for premature death.
Brave, yes. Elite, hmm...
Torq
3 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
Lovely idea, Iron; absolutely precious, quaint and magical.
Unfortunately for our delusional Polish hearts, Ukraine sh*ts on Poland rather regularly. Just recently Zelensky announced a program of joint weapons production (e.g. opening drones, missiles and air defense systems production lines in partner countries) with allies of Ukraine. Those allies are: the UK, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Canada and Lithuania. Yes, you read that right, even Lithuania gets her share.
english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/ukraine-to-launch-arms-production-in-europe-this-summer--zel
Did you notice which country is sadly missing from this list? On the bright side, Poland is more than welcome to contribute 0.25% of our GDP to o help Ukraine increase arms production...
koha.net/en/bote/ukraina-u-kerkon-aleateve-perendimore-ti-ndajne-025percent-te-gdp-se-per-ta-shtuar-prodhimin-e-armeve
... so everything is sweet and dandy. :)
I would support cooperation with Ukraine based on the exchange of technology, know-how, and practical solutions for effective collaboration.
Lovely idea, Iron; absolutely precious, quaint and magical.
Unfortunately for our delusional Polish hearts, Ukraine sh*ts on Poland rather regularly. Just recently Zelensky announced a program of joint weapons production (e.g. opening drones, missiles and air defense systems production lines in partner countries) with allies of Ukraine. Those allies are: the UK, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Canada and Lithuania. Yes, you read that right, even Lithuania gets her share.
english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/ukraine-to-launch-arms-production-in-europe-this-summer--zel
Did you notice which country is sadly missing from this list? On the bright side, Poland is more than welcome to contribute 0.25% of our GDP to o help Ukraine increase arms production...
koha.net/en/bote/ukraina-u-kerkon-aleateve-perendimore-ti-ndajne-025percent-te-gdp-se-per-ta-shtuar-prodhimin-e-armeve
... so everything is sweet and dandy. :)
Torq
1 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
*sighs*
Right. I'm off to read Pollen's Volga. For some reason reading about this "nonexistent" country has a soothing effect on me. Slavic atavism and all that.
There is no such thing as Russia
*sighs*
Right. I'm off to read Pollen's Volga. For some reason reading about this "nonexistent" country has a soothing effect on me. Slavic atavism and all that.
Torq
1 Jul 2025
News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23 [681]
For a country that never existed they managed to give us quite a bit of trouble.
Indeed. While Odysseus was getting lost at sea, Ukrainians were already holding town hall meetings and debating Plato in Proto-Slavic. Also, they probably gave the Trojans building permits and lent Romulus a shovel.
Russia never existed
For a country that never existed they managed to give us quite a bit of trouble.
ancient ukrs inhabited all this land from 1500BC
Indeed. While Odysseus was getting lost at sea, Ukrainians were already holding town hall meetings and debating Plato in Proto-Slavic. Also, they probably gave the Trojans building permits and lent Romulus a shovel.
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1 Jul 2025
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1 Jul 2025
UK, Ireland / Polish YouTuber weirdos trash-talking the UK [200]
Hm... try these two then: imdb.com/title/tt0171992 , imdb.com/title/tt0120947/ .
I'm mainly in it to see Warsaw in earlier decades
Hm... try these two then: imdb.com/title/tt0171992 , imdb.com/title/tt0120947/ .
Torq
1 Jul 2025
Life / The Best Things About Poland [65]
Have you missed the recent thread in which I said that Tusk should resign, hide somewhere in Kaszuby, and never come back to Polish public life?
As for the western border, it is indeed slightly annoying, especially that apparently some of the third worlders dropped here by the German police were placed in orphanages where they made official complaints about the length of some of the girls' dresses. The audacity! I wonder if there are still some skinheads left in Poland or will the Old Guard have to put on their bomber jackets and heavy boots again.
considering your support for Tusk?
Have you missed the recent thread in which I said that Tusk should resign, hide somewhere in Kaszuby, and never come back to Polish public life?
As for the western border, it is indeed slightly annoying, especially that apparently some of the third worlders dropped here by the German police were placed in orphanages where they made official complaints about the length of some of the girls' dresses. The audacity! I wonder if there are still some skinheads left in Poland or will the Old Guard have to put on their bomber jackets and heavy boots again.
Torq
1 Jul 2025
UK, Ireland / Polish YouTuber weirdos trash-talking the UK [200]
It is definitely a classic but I'm not sure if I'd recommend it to you. You came to Poland in the early '10s and probabaly don't know much about the socialism in PRL (People's Republic of Poland), so most of Alternatywy 4 humour will most likely be lost on you. If you're not Polish and over 40, you will probably not be able to properly appreciate it.
Try Kariera Nikodema Dyzmy... imdb.com/title/tt0080986/ , Polskie Drogi... imdb.com/title/tt0124249/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_1 or 07, zgłoś się imdb.com/title/tt0399943/ ... for decent commie era TV entertainment, and more easily enjoyable for foreigners.
Worth it?
It is definitely a classic but I'm not sure if I'd recommend it to you. You came to Poland in the early '10s and probabaly don't know much about the socialism in PRL (People's Republic of Poland), so most of Alternatywy 4 humour will most likely be lost on you. If you're not Polish and over 40, you will probably not be able to properly appreciate it.
Try Kariera Nikodema Dyzmy... imdb.com/title/tt0080986/ , Polskie Drogi... imdb.com/title/tt0124249/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_1 or 07, zgłoś się imdb.com/title/tt0399943/ ... for decent commie era TV entertainment, and more easily enjoyable for foreigners.
Torq
1 Jul 2025
UK, Ireland / Polish YouTuber weirdos trash-talking the UK [200]
The subject matter is somewhat similar but the style is very much different. Lombard is focused more on Polish cultural context and human stories, with dramatized storylines, romance, suspense, crime. OK, a bit of a mental candy perhaps but, as Maf said, fun and representative of modern Poland.
Is it at all like the Discovery Channel's "Pawn Stars"?
The subject matter is somewhat similar but the style is very much different. Lombard is focused more on Polish cultural context and human stories, with dramatized storylines, romance, suspense, crime. OK, a bit of a mental candy perhaps but, as Maf said, fun and representative of modern Poland.
Torq
1 Jul 2025
Life / The Best Things About Poland [65]
Those Ls will remain as long as Poland remains and as long as faithful, decent and honourable Legia fans walk this land; Legia's spirit shall never kneel, nor her colours fade. So there.
Brilliant.
Ls
Those Ls will remain as long as Poland remains and as long as faithful, decent and honourable Legia fans walk this land; Legia's spirit shall never kneel, nor her colours fade. So there.
I'll try to keep the comments respectful and to a minimum!
Brilliant.
Torq
1 Jul 2025
UK, Ireland / Polish YouTuber weirdos trash-talking the UK [200]
Buczkowski is a feckin' legend!
Precisely. :)
the staff of the Pawn Shop in question are professional actors
Buczkowski is a feckin' legend!
genuinely entertaining and pretty representative of modern Poland
Precisely. :)
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1 Jul 2025
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1 Jul 2025
UK, Ireland / Polish YouTuber weirdos trash-talking the UK [200]
@Bobko
Don't listen to this anti-Legia twat. If you want genuine knowledge about modern day Poland, watch Lombard. Życie pod zastaw. 16 seasons, the first one is available on Polish Netflix (episodes 1-39), of pure gold--funny and addictive AF.
Yes, I am a man of simple pleasures.
Wataha and Blinded by the Lights (...) Rojst. Wielka Woda. Odwilz
@Bobko
Don't listen to this anti-Legia twat. If you want genuine knowledge about modern day Poland, watch Lombard. Życie pod zastaw. 16 seasons, the first one is available on Polish Netflix (episodes 1-39), of pure gold--funny and addictive AF.
Yes, I am a man of simple pleasures.
Torq
1 Jul 2025
Life / The Best Things About Poland [65]
Oh, I'm not crying, just vomiting.
Ever since March 1991 and the epic battle against Sampdoria in Cup Winners Cup QF. Szczęsny (the father) in goal, young Kowalczyk with a double... Czachowski, Pisz, Kubicki - what a team it was! And then, still in the 90s, Champions League, the game in Warsaw against Blackburn with Shearer, Sherwood and Sutton - 1:0 Legia. Ahhh... those were the days.
So let's just make one thing clear: you can make derogatory comments about Polish emigrants in the UK (most of them are patologia and peasants anyway), you can insult the president, the prime minister and the Pope, but if you keep sh*tting on Legia, we're going to have a problem.
Your whambulance is on its way, sir.
Oh, I'm not crying, just vomiting.
Ah, I've got it. Legia supporter?
Ever since March 1991 and the epic battle against Sampdoria in Cup Winners Cup QF. Szczęsny (the father) in goal, young Kowalczyk with a double... Czachowski, Pisz, Kubicki - what a team it was! And then, still in the 90s, Champions League, the game in Warsaw against Blackburn with Shearer, Sherwood and Sutton - 1:0 Legia. Ahhh... those were the days.
So let's just make one thing clear: you can make derogatory comments about Polish emigrants in the UK (most of them are patologia and peasants anyway), you can insult the president, the prime minister and the Pope, but if you keep sh*tting on Legia, we're going to have a problem.
Torq
1 Jul 2025
Life / The Best Things About Poland [65]
I suppose I've finally gotten too old for that kind of sh*thead trolling.
What's your problem?
I suppose I've finally gotten too old for that kind of sh*thead trolling.
Torq
1 Jul 2025
Life / The Best Things About Poland [65]
@Admin
This is nothing short of trolling. The c*nt promised that he would leave but didn't keep his word (as c*nts never do).
158 posts, most of them nothing else but boring and repetitive trolling, and not even a warning? How long will this lowlife be allowed to continue? If it's a new member - just ban him. If it's an old one trolling under a new username - ban both. You have the "ban" button for a reason--use it.
I live in their spawning ground, where they slither from their ichorous eggs
@Admin
This is nothing short of trolling. The c*nt promised that he would leave but didn't keep his word (as c*nts never do).
158 posts, most of them nothing else but boring and repetitive trolling, and not even a warning? How long will this lowlife be allowed to continue? If it's a new member - just ban him. If it's an old one trolling under a new username - ban both. You have the "ban" button for a reason--use it.
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30 Jun 2025
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30 Jun 2025
Off-Topic / Random Chat Thread [692]
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30 Jun 2025
Genealogy / Russian POW Camp records [71]
Hmm... so maybe middle-class shopkeepers might be of some use too?
A capitalistic Russia will let loose all the demons of Polish capitalism.
Hmm... so maybe middle-class shopkeepers might be of some use too?
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30 Jun 2025
Off-Topic / Random Chat Thread [692]
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30 Jun 2025
Genealogy / Russian POW Camp records [71]
Knowing nazis I think I have a pretty good idea of what would have happened.
Did my alternative history scenario sound pleasant to you?
You cannot predict what would have happened.
Knowing nazis I think I have a pretty good idea of what would have happened.
I know you prefer pleasant-sounding stories.
Did my alternative history scenario sound pleasant to you?
Torq
30 Jun 2025
Genealogy / Russian POW Camp records [71]
Ah... your words are tempting, Lord Vader, but I think we'll take a rain check.
Together with us, we can be unstoppable. We will dominate this sorry planet, and then make every other world we encounter our b*tch.
Ah... your words are tempting, Lord Vader, but I think we'll take a rain check.
Torq
30 Jun 2025
Genealogy / Russian POW Camp records [71]
Oh, for crying out loud, Iron...
Oh yeah?
OK, just for the sake of argument - let's roll with your scenario of Poland allying herself to the nazi abomination (even if it makes me want to throw up).
Hitler was a couple of divisions (3... maybe 4) away from capturing Moscow in 1941. If he didn't have to fight Poland in 1939 and on top of that had around 70 Polish divisions at his disposal from the first days of Operation Barbarossa (which would have started much earlier in your scenario than June 1941), the Soviet Union would have fallen and Nazis would have been victorious.
What would such scenario mean? It would mean the doom of the Russian nation, our blood brothers (whether you like it or not). This would have been kurewstwo of the first order if we had helped with that. Besides, what on earth would we have earned? Germans would have taken away all of Silesia from us anyway, and the pathetic shards of Pomerania that we had, probably Toruń and Poznań as well. Lebensraum and all that. We might have been offered some compensation in the East, but what would we have done with those lands full of Ukrainian, Russian and Belarussian minorities? Back then they weren't ours anymore and would never have been again.
We would end up as galactic-scale kurwas. And for what? For nothing.
the correct decision would be to stick with Germany for the time being
Oh, for crying out loud, Iron...
Poles have lost their ability to comprehend geopolitics and the unspoken rules of politics
Oh yeah?
OK, just for the sake of argument - let's roll with your scenario of Poland allying herself to the nazi abomination (even if it makes me want to throw up).
Hitler was a couple of divisions (3... maybe 4) away from capturing Moscow in 1941. If he didn't have to fight Poland in 1939 and on top of that had around 70 Polish divisions at his disposal from the first days of Operation Barbarossa (which would have started much earlier in your scenario than June 1941), the Soviet Union would have fallen and Nazis would have been victorious.
What would such scenario mean? It would mean the doom of the Russian nation, our blood brothers (whether you like it or not). This would have been kurewstwo of the first order if we had helped with that. Besides, what on earth would we have earned? Germans would have taken away all of Silesia from us anyway, and the pathetic shards of Pomerania that we had, probably Toruń and Poznań as well. Lebensraum and all that. We might have been offered some compensation in the East, but what would we have done with those lands full of Ukrainian, Russian and Belarussian minorities? Back then they weren't ours anymore and would never have been again.
We would end up as galactic-scale kurwas. And for what? For nothing.
Torq
30 Jun 2025
Genealogy / Russian POW Camp records [71]
As long as you exclude those who shot him, and called him a b*tch right after, from this collective "we".
we respect this
As long as you exclude those who shot him, and called him a b*tch right after, from this collective "we".