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This is what you've been doing all day. It seems to come naturally to you.


Evidently you use a different definition of democracy to that of the rest of the free world. If you want a return to a PRL-bis, feel free to advocate for that. Most people very clearly don't.


Remember, they despise employee rights, like anything else that doesn't work in their direct favour, and are actively and openly trying to create a one-party state. Hence the nightly Polish pro-democracy rallies.

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Not my job to reconcile this very good (and not manipulated) poll. Remember that many of the thousands coming out every evening to protest the PiS junta's attack on democracy were people who initially voted for them.

But hey, if you prefer a far-right authoritarian theocratic state, no amount of common sense, logic or decency is likely to change that.

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So you should be happy with the existing system that the PiS junta desperately want to replace.


You're probably the only person who believes that, if you actually do believe that. Everything they say, everything they do is deeply authoritarian.

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You still fail utterly and spectacularly to get the point of a stable democracy. Why would they even want a period like that, unless they were going to fire any not under their patronage.


By whom?


You're still missing the point. There's a reason that democracies don't do this.

Evidently you dislike the idea of parliamentary democracy and prefer authoritarian one party rule, something Poland once had.

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Millions don't. Thousands of ordinary people come out on the streets against them nightly.


A sinister and cynical careerist. Do you remember the scandal about the laptop?


Remember it isn't just appointing. It's hiring and firing by the ruling party directly, thereby placing them under soviet style Party patronage. There's a good reason that democracies have mechanisms whereby this does not happen.

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Far too much. What he's trying to do is transparent. It looks like it could be over for the current regime, and he's trying to present himself as a moderate and more credible (i.e. electable) figure.

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One is very much trying too manipulate the system to obtain one party rule - the whole point of this discussion is about their blatant attempt at a coup d' etat. Perhaps you've missed that somehow, just as you've somehow missed the thousands attending Polish pro--democracy rallies.


Neither are directly appointed nor can be arbitrarily dismissed by the Party of the day. Something else you've missed.


I'm sure that even you don't think that judges who depend on the patronage of the screamer Kaczynski, the deranged Macierewicz or the sinister Ziobro are likely to be less rather than more scandalous and unfair

Which is why thousands are turning out on the streets each evening, and why 87% of Poles are concerned that democracy is being eroded.

You have no valid argument here, none at all.

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Evidently you prefer Party control, just like the old days...

Fortunately most people prefer an independent judiciary, hence 87% of people in Poland expressing their concern about the erosion of democracy this week

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That's exactly where she is. A member of parliament and part of the PiS junta

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And there was me thinking that PiS supporters enjoyed the idea of parliament controlling legal process...

It would be interesting to see their own 'principles' turned back on them...

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Utterly and absolutely irrelevant. When a member of parliament in that party(one of the best known and most widely loathed ones) says that they're going after journalists, people should (and do) take that very seriously indeed.

Whenever lame 'arguments' you use to try to dodge out of that.

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What a pathetic, weasly, silly little answer. So you're trying to deny she's one of their best known politicians.

When someone with her role in the party, a very prominent member of parliament, stands up and talks about going after journalists, people should be very worried.

And they are. The latest survey shows that 87% of people in Poland believe democracy is seriously threatened at the moment.

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They sound like bottom feeders, making a profit from money expropriated from the workers.

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Looks like you prefer to ignore the vile Pawlowicz's idea to go after journalists next...

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Listening to people and doing his job.

That and trying to stop the current crisis from escalating further.

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I suspect those thousands of Poles taking part in the vigils etc tonight have a clearer and more up-to-date understanding of Polish reality than someone who emigrated to a different continent almost 30 years ago.


The PiS junta and their supporters are weeping tonight too. The tipping point has been passed and it will never get better or easier for them.

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I'm sure the political discourse is suitably elevated by these iterations of your eloquence, however yes, it's a Chain of Light. A very big thing, and apparently the PiS junta hierarchy are absolutely dismayed at the moment and arguing with each other behind the scenes.

This could be getting very interesting soon, or indeed very 'nieciekawy for PiS...

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I just saw a film clip of the Chain of Light in Katowice. It stretches right through the city. Impressive and poignant.



Decisions of the prosecutor and courts. The real, independent ones. Not show-trials in a one party state.

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Read up on the matter before commenting.


Don't be daft.

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Indeed. No party stays in power for long, and they may well find that their opponents will one day use it against the, In every way a bad idea,


Read up on the concept of parliamentary democracy and an independent judiciary.

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I doubt that somehow. All the reports say they're seriously worried by the scale of opposition to their proposal, as well as the international response.

The protests this evening in Warsaw were huge, this week each one has been larger than the last. It could well be turning into a Warsaw Spring.

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This is today's Polish pro-democracy protest in the centre of Warsaw. A crowd as far as the eye can see.


What do you think the PiS junta are doing right this minute...

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Do you really believe that for even one second?

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A hell of a lot freer than now. Have you actully watched the news on TVPiS? About as impartial as North Korea.

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The Polish pro-democracy vigils are happening right now around Poland, plenty of people out on the street, all very civilised and decent.

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There would needed to be grounds for that. Having a different point of view to yours is not grounds.


Only if the speaker is, like Kaczynski, deranged.

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The opposite of the dignified vigils organised by the Polish pro-democracy movement. Though doubtless some of the organization and groups praised by Kaczynski and Macierewicz would like a good scrap.

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Is that even possible? He's far enough round it now.


This is of course what he dreams of. Of course, when another party gets in, the 'reforms' will be used against his clique.

The Chain of Light tonight will be particularly impressive.

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Of course. They are predicated on hysteria and negativity.

And once again, people are out on the streets to oppose their anti-democratic acts.