Filios1
10 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]
Look Sokrates, I hope I'm not ruining any dreams of yours here. But there are certain, shall we say, cultural, social, ethnic whatever you want to call it, differences which would have nullified any attempts at your glorious alliance. So as much as you sit here right now, and ponder, what if, can you just realize that it is highly doubtful that such a pact could have been made, when Hitler had already tried to make similar ones years earlier? It was not Hitler who rebuffed this alliance, it was the Poles themselves.
I'm no idealist, either, but there are huge, huge barriers which would have to be crossed in order for an alliance to work.
Napoleon tried that once, didn't he? With the Poles. You think 1 million men would be suited up, and ready for direct action against the Russians? Can you imagine the leadership issues, transport, supplies... And would this 1 million force be used, only in this offensive? Or used elsewhere in Europe? And again, you're whole plan relies on the simple fact, of whether or not they are going for Germany's goals.. or for their own?
Yes. A rather unfortunate fact of life, I'm afraid.
There are certainly decisions made by Poland, which are not well thought through.. all throughout history. The heart, rather than the head, is what has guided them.
Perhaps a classic example, one which I've mentioned before, is in the late 17th century, where Poland had a chance to ally themselves with the Ottoman Empire, or save Western Europe. Right when the scales were tilted in the Ottoman's favour, Sobieski allied himself against the wicked Muslims.
And to think. Austria would backstab Poland in the partitions, only a few decades later.
I've contemplated the idea of Poland sitting back, and letting the Ottoman's carve up Western Europe, and giving Poland free right to take some in the East, many times before. Not only would they have been overstretching themselves at that point, and looking for an ally to help them keep their land, they also would have left Poland alone, for the respect they had for Sobieski and his armies.
So we can dream all we want, Sokrates. What has been done, is done.
Look Sokrates, I hope I'm not ruining any dreams of yours here. But there are certain, shall we say, cultural, social, ethnic whatever you want to call it, differences which would have nullified any attempts at your glorious alliance. So as much as you sit here right now, and ponder, what if, can you just realize that it is highly doubtful that such a pact could have been made, when Hitler had already tried to make similar ones years earlier? It was not Hitler who rebuffed this alliance, it was the Poles themselves.
I'm no idealist, either, but there are huge, huge barriers which would have to be crossed in order for an alliance to work.
Definitely, over one milion good soldiers, a military orders of magnitude more effective than for example Italian one, Poland could have provided the skilled troops that Germany lacked in the critical moment.
Napoleon tried that once, didn't he? With the Poles. You think 1 million men would be suited up, and ready for direct action against the Russians? Can you imagine the leadership issues, transport, supplies... And would this 1 million force be used, only in this offensive? Or used elsewhere in Europe? And again, you're whole plan relies on the simple fact, of whether or not they are going for Germany's goals.. or for their own?
Germany commited one of the most horrible crimes in the living history and the West elevated their economy to the status of regional power while Poland was brave, noble, true to its ideals and got sold, fucked red raw and will take decades to recover so screw legacies, go with whats profitable the most, legacies wont rebuild our economy or culture.
Yes. A rather unfortunate fact of life, I'm afraid.
There are certainly decisions made by Poland, which are not well thought through.. all throughout history. The heart, rather than the head, is what has guided them.
Perhaps a classic example, one which I've mentioned before, is in the late 17th century, where Poland had a chance to ally themselves with the Ottoman Empire, or save Western Europe. Right when the scales were tilted in the Ottoman's favour, Sobieski allied himself against the wicked Muslims.
And to think. Austria would backstab Poland in the partitions, only a few decades later.
I've contemplated the idea of Poland sitting back, and letting the Ottoman's carve up Western Europe, and giving Poland free right to take some in the East, many times before. Not only would they have been overstretching themselves at that point, and looking for an ally to help them keep their land, they also would have left Poland alone, for the respect they had for Sobieski and his armies.
So we can dream all we want, Sokrates. What has been done, is done.