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@Spike31

Im eastern German. We are atheist. I dont believe in god and such rubbish.

@Rich Mazur
Wrong, F-35 was offered to us for a price of 100 million per unit. The Eurofighter costs 150 million.

The thing is, that F-35 offers nothing worth 100 million. So in comparission to Eurofighter its cheap, but for the trash you get delivered...its expensive

Newest report ay Lockeed Martin even dropped down to 80 million per unit, so we buy it

wiwo.de/technologie/forschung/ruestungsproduzenten-eurofighter-gegen-f-35/23786980-2.html

The F-35 is cheaper in evry aspect to Eurofighter but doesnt offer what we want. Speed, acceleration.

Why should we spend 80 million on something that cant do what we want? If we can spend 150 million for something that can do what we want?

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@johnny reb
There are no tariffs on german cars Johnny. Trump never fullfilled that.

He threatened it several times but pulled back.

Tariffs wont change that. American cars are not popular. In the top 12 car brands in Germany only one is american...Ford on place 9

American cars dont give what we want.

Its a cultural thing. Japanese cars are popular here. We want high acceleration, much tech and low gas consumption.

Tariffs wont change that, as long you dont produce what we want.

Why you think WalMart went bancrupt in Germany within 3 years`? The american way is not popular here.

You need to produce something Germans want, as long you cant do that, you end like WalMart, burning several billion € on German market and go down.

Why you think Trump was so hellbend that we buy F-35? He knows very well, we wont buy the trash you offer and with a big military spending contract he could easily

melt the deficit without depending on german consumer market. The thing is, F-35 is not what we want. Its to slow and not powerful enough. We want a twin engine jet that can hold Mach 1.9 for prolonged time span.

Make an offer.

@Rich Mazur
I dont think we need NATO. Its a fossil of cold war era and way over its time. Its also a bit folklore. Many here think it will die within next years anyways.

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@johnny reb

wrong again. Germany imports nearly no american cars, there is no market for that trash here.

American cars have a market share of 1.67% in Germany.

Beside that, there are no tariffs on Germany, Trump is a coward. Remember he pulled his threat back last year when we threatened to put tariffs of same hight on products specific produced in republican states.

We are smarter, Trump threatened german big corporations. We countered by targeting your weakest economic members. Farmers and small business. Even tariffs on orange juice, Harley Davidson and so on.

As for the trade deficit it grew even larger under Trump


Trump fears that we do what we promised, to crush american farmers and small business.

The thing is, France would want that very much.

Trump is just talk and no walk. A pathetic clown.

So lets jump back on F.35, trump wanted Germany to buy it so badly. We let them send us the data and tehn dismissed this ****.

Then even invited two to Berlin just to use them to test our new radar.

P.s. I visited USA last year. California and Arizona. You live in a ********.

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@Spike31

Well i guess its a better book than trash like quran, bible or all that crap.

We chose a jet that costs 50 million more per unit. The F-35 is cheap trash.

Your article is funny. A 16 year old girl made a school exchange holiday job. big deal.

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@Rich Mazur

We dont need NATO. We have no enemies around us.

We could even go to 0 % defense spending. Anyone who wants attack us has to cross NATO anyways. Thats the benefits of being in the core.

But thats not how we are. So because of that we spend 1.3% of GDP on defense. Which in absolute numbers is magnitudes bigger than polands spending



We know though that NATO is dieing and already work around it.

@johnny reb

No, Apple is an chinese company. Almost all its assets are located in China, They produce nothing in USA, pay no taxes in USA. They are worthless and produce only ****.

@Rich Mazur

I dont insult Trump. He is just an idiot, a very stupid man and without class or style. Trump doesnt **** Germany off. We mostly ignore him.

He appears like slime and in Germany he is a big problem for the far right.

AfD again and again has to distance itself from that idiot. We need to assure germans, that our far right is nothing like this dumb fat blob.

The entire cretin is like a persiflage. Like a caricature.

On a sidenote though, for german business trump is good.

Trump basicly smashs Boeing into the ground. Because his trade wars China and Russia bought not a single Boeing, cancel orders and switch to our Airbus.

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@johnny reb

Germany Imports almost no Cars from america.

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@Rich Mazur

NATO is not in persian gulf.

Obviously you dont know article 5 and 6

Glad i could teach you something

Article 5

Article 6 1
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

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@Miloslaw
It was never banned in Germany. Even our teacher did read from it. Its Sold in bookstores, flea markets ect

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@Rich Mazur

We have no Border in the persian gulf. Germany is not defended in persian gulf.

How we get that oil delivered to Germany?

Through Pipelines from Russia, Norway and Azerbaijan. Germany gets little to no oil from the region.

Beside that we have excellent relations with Iran. We see Saudi Arabia as the problem, not Iran.

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@Rich Mazur
Mein Kampf is not banned in Germany.

You can even buy on Amazon.

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@johnny reb
Apple is a Chinese company. There is nothing american on it. Beside that, its vaporware. Stock value is not based on real value. Thats the simple fact.

As for what our leaders See, they treat American Ambassador Like crap, visit US governors and dismiss Trump. You may Like to suck their dick, we dont.

Sending war ships into the gulf helps us design new tech products how exactly?

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@Torq

Stalin murdered more slavs than Hitler. It appears the worst enemy ofa slav is a slav?

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@Rich Mazur

Germany has no problem with Iran, the problem in the region is UsA.

Why should Germany send ships there? What for? We have zero problems with Iran.

We have a very good umderstanding of the region. USA spreads only chaos there.

Germany did not go Iraq, we knew it would collapse, we predicted same for Libya and we see same in Iran.

We dont follow USA like brainless zombies. We think their decissions are wrong and that we dont support that.

@johnny reb

2019 we had again a record high export surplus

And budget surplus. While USA again has a massive budget deficit.

On a sidenote, loyality? What for? USA can go eat ****. They are a sinking former worldpower. We do whats good for us.

Staging war with Iran is not in german interest, we want stability down there.

And F 35 wont protect anything, they are worthless, slow ****, we already cleared that.

Too bad for Germany but for Poland its good enough.

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@Rich Mazur

Then came Trump?

Germany rocked another record high export surplus last year. Infact its even rising since Trump is in power. Why you think it is that way?

Look, Poland is free to buy the trash it wants. Germany checked the F-35, labelled it as trash and dismissed it. We are also free to do that.

On a sidenote, Trump would not even be able to spot poland on a map. To believe UsA would care about Poland is naive at best.

They want you buy their **** and thats about it.

How well is LOT doeing with their Boeings so far?

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@Rich Mazur
Dont blame us for your idiocy.

Hate the game, not the player.

Beside that we produce good stuff, USA produces nothing we want. Thats why we dont buy american. Nothing to do with tariffs

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@Miloslaw

The british aircraft carriers currently have no functional aircrafts.

One of the two currently is out of order because it has multiple leaks.

You expect us to lay on the ground and go ko from laughing?

thesun.co.uk/news/9482087/hms-queen-elizabeth-third-leak/

Dude the only thing scary on the Uk is its horse faced queen and her zombie

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@Miloslaw

Why should the Nr1 of Europe declare war on the Nr. 3?

As for your aircraft carriers, they cant anchor infront Hamburg for geographic reasons. They would need german pilots and tugs to bring them in. Hamburg is almost 100km from the sea and you must go up the river Elbe. Without support you get stuck.

You have no clue what you say.

On a side note, an aircraft carrier going up a river delta in any conflict is dead.

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@Miloslaw

The RAF? You mean the country that got bullied out of the gulf from Iran? From Iran!

Since Iran kicked the UK in the balls few montns ago, i doubt they **** at anyone, propably still have a pissing katheter attached.

When Iran took that british ship and told the british war ship to **** off...was pure gold.

@Miloslaw
Aiecraft carriers? Thats 20th century.

Nobody needs that **** in a time where computer warfare, hypersonic weapons and drones rule

What else is top for you? Catapults to storm castles?

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@Torq
Was there a war in 1920? Never heared about that.

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@johnny reb

She can go supersonic for 50 seconds...

Eurofighter for 2h.

Dude what worth has an aircraft that can go supersonic for just 50 seconds?

@Torq
Red Army in 1920? What? You want tell me now russia wanted take Germany in 1920?

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@Spike31

You have no clue what you talk. The west milked the east. Cheap labor allowed the nonstoo boom. And gave Germany the position it has today

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@Torq

Where was polish help when we had massive flood few years ago?

We always help, but when we are in trouble, we are always alone.

Name me one instance, just one, where Polish helped Germany.

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@Torq

Actually US lost both gulf wars. Iraq has become a iranian colony now. Something went wrong.

US could not even secure to get the multibillion € contract to build the energy grid. Germany got it. Trumps intervention failed.

As for helping, i cant see poland helping us. If we had a desaster or were under attack, i cant imagine help from poland.

To come back at topic, F 35 was not meeting german standards. Too slow, to badly designed, tol weak power stats so it was dismissed.

If poland has lower standards thats ok

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@Miloslaw
Most spoken 1st language im europe is German. Get over it.

Beside that, we have less muslims in Germany than Poles.

That said, US has not won a war since the 1950th. Maybe you should buy equipment from a country that actuall wins wars.

As for Polands obligations, i have little trust in Poland helping us in need. They never have nor could they.

In NATO, poland is seen as roadblock against russia, to take the worst so the important countries can react before it gets serious. A buffer zone

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@johnny reb

Half of europe speaks German today. Its most spoken language in Europe.

Whats your problem with German?

The F-35 cant go supersonic, she breaks apart. She is only able to go super sonic for short burts.

Here from US airforce itself

defensenews.com/air/2019/06/12/supersonic-speeds-could-cause-big-problems-for-the-f-35s-stealth-coating/

the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps' versions of the F-35 jet can only fly at supersonic speeds for short bursts of time before there is a risk of structural damage and loss of stealth capability, a problem that may make it impossible for the Navy's F-35C to conduct supersonic intercepts.

The Defense Department does not intend to field a fix for the problem, which influences not only the F-35's airframe and the low-observable coating that keeps it stealthy, but also the myriad antennas located on the back of the plane that are currently vulnerable to damage, according to documents exclusively obtained by Defense News.

The Defense Department has also instituted time limits on the number of seconds the F-35B and F-35C can fly at speeds in excess of Mach 1.2 while at full afterburner.

For example, an F-35C can only fly at Mach 1.3 in afterburner for 50 cumulative seconds, meaning that a pilot cannot clock 50 seconds at that speed, slow down for a couple seconds and then speed back up. However, the time requirements reset after the pilot operates at military power - an engine power setting that allows for less speed and thrust than afterburner - for a duration of three minutes.

The F-35B can fly for 80 cumulative seconds at Mach 1.2 or 40 seconds at Mach 1.3 without risking damage.

But for both the C and B models, flying at Mach 1.3 over the specified time limits poses the risk of inducing structural damage to the aircraft's horizontal stabilizer.

That piece of crap can go super sonic for a few seconds.

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@Torq

Eastern Germany was under communist rule for 44 years, yet it was better than any other in warsaw bloc.

We obviously do someting right.

As for american trash, USA did not really participate in WW I and also not WW II. And when germans encountered americans, americans lost badly.

They simply throw their crap on you until you drown in it, there is no quality, no sophisticated tec, just crap.

Their aircrafts are junk, their ships are crap. Their entire tech is bullshit.

And no, the F-35 cant go supersonic. It starts to break apart because structural failure.

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@Dirk diggler

For me the best system we had was the 2nd german Empire under Wilhelm I and Wilhelm II

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@Spike31

Germany is the hegemon of Europe. We are not a global empire nor do we have intention to be so.

That said you dont build up your army by implementing american trash.

The F-35 has a horrible renomee and is called dysfunctional.

Your national airline LOT suffers alot from american garbage. Poland acts like a submissive dog and buys that trash again and again.

Your 787? grounded. Your 737 max? grounded

They cheat you again and again and all you do is wag with the tail and howl: kick me again!

But hey on the plus side, your F-35 wont bother us with sonic booms. They cant go supersonic or break apart

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@johnny reb
We dont need to.

USA used this Trash against countries that cant Strike back

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@johnny reb
Same counts for the F-35 garbage.

@Rich Mazur

Nope, thats exactly the point. The demand of German Luftwaffe was, that it can reach Mach 1.9 and keep it. The F-35 cant reach that Speed. Infact it cant fly Supersonic at all. It can reach only Mach 1.6 and only for short Moments. It Breaks apart if it tries to fly Supersonic for few minutes