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I don't see any objective reasons for Poland and Russia to be an enemies at present.

Vladimir Dmitriyevich Bonch-Bruyevich in Polish Boncz-Brujewicz; 28 June [O.S. 16 June] 1873 - 14 July 1955) was a Soviet politician, revolutionary, historian, writer and Old Bolshevik. He was Vladimir Lenin's personal secretary. Vladimir Dmitriyevich Bonch-Bruyevich was born in Moscow to a land surveyor family who came from the Mogilev province and belonged to the nobility of the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Bonch-Bruyevich took an active part in nationalization of the banks in preparation of the Soviet government moving to Moscow in March 1918. In 1918 as Managing Director of the Council of the People's Commissars, he endorsed setting in motion the Red Terror.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Bonch-Bruyevich

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Do they really have any objective reasons to be enemies? Why?

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One way to solve this problem would be to grant all Ukrainians with German citizenship. I think it would be justfull after what happened in WWII. Many Ukrainians even collaborated or worked in Germany. But when it comes to this Germany quickly forgets, that Ukraine is a Russian "semi-colony"...

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Entire country doesn't bare responsibility for those who did their personal choice.

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Warsaw was part of R. Empire as well. Does it mean everyone was Russian there?

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But Odessa is in Ukraine... Or you believe it should be part of Russia?

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Andréy Yanuár'yevich Vyshínskiy (Russian: Андре́й Януа́рьевич Выши́нский; Polish: Andrzej Wyszyński) (10 December [O.S. 28 November] 1883 - 22 November 1954) was a Soviet politician, jurist and diplomat. He is known as a state prosecutor of Joseph Stalin's Moscow Trials. Vyshinsky was born in Odessa into a Polish Catholic family.

In 1936, Vyshinsky achieved international infamy as the prosecutor at the Zinoviev-Kamenev trial (this trial had nine other defendants), the first of the Moscow Trials during the Great Purge, lashing its defenseless victims with vituperative rhetoric:[25]

Shoot these rabid dogs. Death to this gang who hide their ferocious teeth, their eagle claws, from the people! Down with that vulture Trotsky, from whose mouth a bloody venom drips, putrefying the great ideals of Marxism! ... Down with these abject animals! Let's put an end once and for all to these miserable hybrids of foxes and pigs, these stinking corpses! Let's exterminate the mad dogs of capitalism, who want to tear to pieces the flower of our new Soviet nation! Let's push the bestial hatred they bear our leaders back down their own throats!

He often punctuated speeches with phrases like "Dogs of the Fascist bourgeoisie", "mad dogs of Trotskyism", "dregs of society", "decayed people", "terrorist thugs and degenerates", and "accursed vermin".[26] This dehumanization aided in what historian Arkady Vaksberg calls "a hitherto unknown type of trial where there was not the slightest need for evidence: what evidence did you need when you were dealing with 'stinking carrion' and 'mad dogs'?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vyshinsky#Early_life

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And who are these semi-colonies? What Russa gains from them?

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Not only ethnic Russian bare responsibility for this. There were also ethnic Poles and many others.

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Stop to demonize Russians and Russia and make them a scapegoats who are guilty in all the human sins known. Long live reconsiliation and friendship!

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Beria was born in Georgia. Kosior was born in Poland.
Stanisław Kosior was born in 1889 in Węgrów in the Siedlce Governorate of the Russian Empire, in the region of Podlachia, to a Polish family of humble factory workers.

In 2010, the Kyiv, Ukraine Court of Appeal affirmed criminal charges against Kosior with complicity in the Soviet government-engineered famine and genocide known as the Holodomor.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Kosior

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Vyacheslav Menzhinsky, a member of the Polish nobility, was born into an Orthodox Christian Polish-Russian family of teachers. His father was a Russified Pole and a history lecturer.

Polish: Wiesław Mężyński; 19 August 1874 - 10 May 1934) was a Polish-Russian Bolshevik revolutionary, Soviet statesman and Party official who served as chairman of the OGPU from 1926 to 1934.

Two other NKVD cheifs, Genrikh Yagoda
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda
and Lavrentiy Beria
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria
were neither Russians.

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Whom could you name? Any ministers?

The successor of Dzerzhinski was Vyacheslav Menzhinsky.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Menzhinsky#Early_life
He also was an ethnic Pole, though his ancestors converted to Orthodox Christianity.

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Was there at least one Russian in Polish govt.? Were there a signboards "Russians only" in Poland?

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As Russian proverb says: "there wouldn't be a happiness, but misfortune have helped". As the result of German-Soviet pact in 1939 it was Soviet Union that had been sudenly attacked, lost 27 mln of people, liberated Poland in 1945 and saved lives to all the Poles. The heavy, enormose price was paid for a terrible mistake in 1939. USSR lost 600.000 soldiers to liberate Poland. Does modern Russia not deserve to be forgiven?

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But not all of them were ethnic Poles, were they? Soviets didn't care about the race or ethnicity in slightest, if they were sure you are loyal to comrade Stalin and Soviet rule. Dzerzhinski was an ethnic Pole.

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We don't need to confuse ethnic and political cleansings. In difference from the Nazis, Soviets didn't kill Poles just for been Poles. Those were Polish army officers killed in Katyn. It cannot be justified, but still we need to make some difference.

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Do you think Russians need to pass declaration about genocide of Russians by... Georgians?

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There is numerous communist party in Russia and they oppose distraction of Lenin's monuments. I thought myself it would be good to bury or cremate Lenins body the latest in 2024 (100 years since he died), and give him a rest finally, but for some reason, which I cannot understand communists in Russia oppose it.

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My grandmother told me that under Stalin a chocolate candy was almost solid thick chocolate and a table was made of solid real wood. Under Leonid Brezhnev a common, inexpensive chocolote candy had only thin, almost transparent layer of cholote. Due to thefts of chocolate on factories, mostly. And funiture was often made of particule board. In 1950, at the end of Stalins rule, city markets loomed with agricultural products. Despite all the negatives, people affraid to steal products under Stalins rule. Because they new what will happen to them if they will.

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So, if Stalin and Soviet govt. would be a "normal people" and a "good Catholics", what they supposed to do? And how it would end for the World, if they would act correctly?

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In 1934, the non-aggression pact between Poland and Germany eventually followed a successful trade agreement with the latter nation. It also gave Germany the eastern border, and provided more time for Hitler's rearmament.

totallyhistory.com/german-polish-non-aggression-pact/

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Russians constitute majority in Estonian Narva. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narva
A "good" pretext for Russia annex entire Estonia.

Or Crimea...


the German-Polish non-aggression pact, was a non-aggression agreement between Nazi Germany and the Second Polish Republic that was signed on 26 January 1934 in Berlin.[2] Both countries pledged to resolve their problems by bilateral negotiations and to forgo armed conflict for a period of 10 years. The agreement effectively normalised relations between Poland and Germany

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_declaration_of_non-aggression#The_declaration

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On 1 October the Czechoslovak foreign ministry called the Polish ambassador in Prague and told him that Poland could have what it wanted. The Polish Army, commanded by General Władysław Bortnowski, annexed an area of 801.5 km2 with a population of 227,399 people.

The Germans were delighted with the outcome. They were happy to give up a provincial rail centre to Poland. It was indeed a small sacrifice, spread the blame of the partition of Czechoslovakia, made Poland an accomplice in the process and confused the issue as well as political expectations. Poland was accused of being an accomplice of Nazi Germany.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts#Annexations_by_Poland_in_1938

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And even a region of Slovakia.
Possibly Moscow had the same urge. But in difference from Poland it was a terrible unjustice!!!

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But not between 1795 and 1918. Majority of population there constituted Ukrainians, Poles didn't create absolute majority even in Lwow. Why would Ukrainians care about Polish sentiments? They proclamed independence and had the govt., flag and hymn. While Poles brutally invaded in 1918.

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Poland occupied Western Ukrainian Republic in 1919. Then USSR occupied this territory in 1939. What the unjustice!

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But that is the facts. If Stalin wouldn't occupy Baltic States, Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, then Germans were standing at the gates of Leningrad, Minsk and Kiev just after few days - 1 week after Barbarossa begun. Look on the map at the distance between Estonian border and St-Petersburg, former Polish-USSR border and Minsk, Kiev. Almost certainly Leningrad and Moscow would be doomed.

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An ally? That would probably be an exagerration. Basically they had just a non-agression pact and some basic economic relations. What is wrong with that? USSR desperatelly needed some high-tech goods and bought them from Germany... Of course, without Molotov-Ribentrop pact Hitler would occupy Baltic States, Western Ukraine and Belarus. And Poles who lived there would gain nothing from it.

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If it didn't, then Western Ukraine and Belarus would be occupied by the Nazis.