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p3undone   
23 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Foreigner4,there is something that you said to natasia earlier on this thread that I missed,Where on this thread have I ever once hypothesized about who should live or die during delivery.I have mentioned more than once mitigating circumstances.That's a no brainer;if the mother's life would be in danger then abort,no matter what the circumstances that brought about the pregnancy.Why would you even say that?
p3undone   
21 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Natasia,I don't think that your story is rubbish and I won't ridicule you for it either.I can understand how this has helped strengthen your stance on abortion.
p3undone   
19 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Rysavy,I was just getting ready to fry some eggs,but now I'm not so sure.....LOL.Gee;some of the stuff I've heard on this thread lol :).
p3undone   
18 Nov 2012
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bernie123,It's not like people trying to say that you shouldn't get a tattoo or that you must be married.It's not like getting involved with something that's so trivial or coming from that kind of moral stance.
p3undone   
18 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

bernie123,I had said in the medical profession.Science claims that life begins in the third week.The question becomes is when does that life become a person.

familydoctormag.com/sexual-health/251-when-does-life-begin-medical-experts-debate-abortion-issue.html
p3undone   
18 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

bernie123,agreed,with that premise,late term abortions were acceptable unit recently anyway,when there was no doubt about life,but the medical profession deemed this as ok.They're debating it because it warrants debate.As for stem cell,I'm for it,but this is not the thread for that discussion.
p3undone   
18 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

bernie23,ink you to what.If you go back on this thread a doctor himself says he doesn't know.Please explain how the concept of not taking a life is antiquated,in fact no regard for life is antiquated.
p3undone   
18 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Jon357,my point is that if it is deemed life,then at that point you can't call it murder because it is sanctioned.Whatever you want to call it,The life is killed.You are saying that the fetus is not alive,but then why is there a debate about this in the medical profession.At what point during the pregnancy is it considered illegal to abort?
p3undone   
18 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Jon357,If you don't think that abortion clinics are not in it for the buck.... or that money is not an incentive.Just as in the case of any medical field,you are going to have people who will give freely of their services.The concept to me is simple and imo,a life should not be snuffed out because it is merely an inconvenience.I can't understand why people defend this.I respect peoples right to see it how they want to see it.I just don't understand it.
p3undone   
18 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Jon357, so what is the position of the medical profession?Even they are undecided as to when life is established.They constantly debate the issue.
p3undone   
18 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

SeanBm,that's like saying it's a punishment if the Father is forced to pay child support.What would be said to him?If you didn't want to have to support a child,then you shouldn't have helped create the child.It's not like she is being forced to become pregnant and has to deliver the baby.We're talking about a life here.We're not talking about a woman forced to get a nose job she doesn't want.It is not the fault of the child,that the mother and father were careless.In the end it's the unborn who is punished if aborted.
p3undone   
18 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

SeanBM,how is it a punishment?You have sex,you made a conscious decision and brought a life in the world.How could this possibly be a punishment?it should be a miracle.It's sad that people would consider it a punishment.Why should a life be extinguished because the life is an inconvenience.
p3undone   
17 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

SeanBM,I'm speaking about the comparison only and that is not a good comparison.The numbers are no where near comparable.If it's assured that the baby will be provided for and she is absolved,what makes you so sure that abortion numbers would rise.The reasons that abortion numbers were high before,were because the child couldn't be provided for and because of moral issues.Moral issues do not come into play as it once did in this country anyway.I think it's possible that a woman who knows that she won't have to deal with the inconvenience and have a safe birth might,go ahead and deliver.
p3undone   
17 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

TommyG, booze was not quite the same thing I'm sure you can agree with that,how could you actually make that comparison lol.Yes there are millions upon millions lining up at bootleg clinics lol:)Thanks for the laugh.
p3undone   
17 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Barney,in the U.S. abortion is legal.Other than mitigating circumstances such as a threat to the mother or if she's been raped,I wish it weren't. In the case of rape,I wish she would keep the child,but I absolutely could not blame her for wanting an abortion in that situation.

I do not believe that abortion should be ok if it is because of carelessness.If you don't want a baby then don't have sex.If your going to have sex;use protection.Foreigner4 brought up a good point about education and it is the best tool imo.There are many people who are willing to adopt a baby,so many,who can't have children of their own.So it doesn't mean that the baby will definitely be brought into an unloved situation.

Since abortion is legal,then I believe that the father and the mother should have to be on the same page.If the father is legally responsible for the rearing of that child,I believe that if the father is willing to accept 100% responsibility for that child,then abortion should not be permitted.This absolves her from having the inconvenience of raising the child.

To those who say that it is her body and no one should have the right to tell her that she can't decide what to do with it.I say that in this situation we are talking about a body that is not hers.No one forced her to get pregnant.The father and mother should have to raise that child imo,but since this is not the case in the U.S. I feel that both should have to be on the same page about it.
p3undone   
17 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Barney, For that very reason.I think that other than a threat to the woman's life or rape,then this should not be permitted.If they don't want a child then don't have unprotected sex.Abortion should not be permitted to be used as birth control imo.I'm not going to go over it as I have so many times on this thread.If you want to read some of my prior posts and then discuss it I will.there is other factors I've pointed out in regards to the father as well.
p3undone   
17 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

fstop,I agree that is the big question.Hard to tell.I think that when the fetus is recognized as life then abortion should not be permitted..I think if there's cerebral activity and a heartbeat then the fetus is definitely alive,but I'm not a doctor.
p3undone   
16 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

pgtx,then why does the medical profession debate about when a fetus is actually considered a life?If they're not sure then it doesn't matter how much education you have.
p3undone   
16 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Foriegner4,I know that I'm dead to you because you couldn't rebut what I was saying and you contradicted yourself more than once on this thread and it was obvious.Ouch,you don't have get so nasty and rude though,I really don't understand that one,don't respond to me and I won't respond to you,fair enough?Because I will each and every time that you do.I have outlined my stance on this thread more than once and you obviously understood me or you wouldn't have continued the debate.We can agree to disagree.why you take it so serious;I can't understand.
p3undone   
14 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Barney,the problem that I have with it is for people using it for birth control.I'm not going to reiterate my points because I've already done it quite a bit on this thread.You can read some of my prior posts if you wish to.
p3undone   
14 Nov 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Barney,But if it is acknowledged as a separate life,then why should she be allowed then to kill that life.You could say that since she had given birth to a child that she be allowed to end the life of said child since this child came from her body.We are talking about a separate life at the point which you and I are discussing.