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4 eigner   
21 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

It's not in your body therefore not your decision. What can't you understand about that?

why can't you understand that even though the baby isn't born yet but it is alive (you even admit it) and no one has the right to end its life (mother included). It's not her life that she wants to end by aborting a child.
4 eigner   
21 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

It isnt life. life only starts when those cells make enough to think for themselves.

Even the science hasn't determined beyond any doubt when a baby is alive in mother's womb but you believe to know it better, huh?

It will always be and only be up to the mother to decide

WRONG! No one has the right to decide about who's to live and who's to die. She can decide about her own life, that's all.

How can a male support something that had not been born yet?

by supporting his wife or gf who's pregnant with his baby, simple as that.
4 eigner   
20 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

yes it is and whether you admit or fail to it still is her body.

it's the life inside of her body, this whole discussion is about.

accept that others see things differently I.E. FIND A DIFFERENT FRONT TO ARGUE FROM BECAUSE THAT ONE IS A BUST.

I'm not trying anything, I'm defending the right of newborns to live while you're bitterly defending the right of irresponsible mothers to exterminate them and you're the one who needs to "find a different front to argue from because yours is a total bust".
4 eigner   
20 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Before you ask us to be honest with each other, perhaps it's better everyone be honest with themselves.

well, I am, how about you? ;-)

I know militaries are terrorizing and murdering people throughout the world in the name of freedom

true but while there's nothing we can do to stop the wars (no one stopped them for thousands of years), at least it's our responsibility to defend those who can't defend themselves, children (babies to be too), elderly and sick people.

Her body, her choice, NOT YOURS.

it's not her body I'm talking about but you seem not to understand it and that's why I'm done with discussing with you. Really no point to continue it since you obviously don't understand a very simple point, she's not deciding just for herself, she's deciding about the right to live of a baby to be and it's just wrong.

human life is, yes, extremely fragile, and should be nurtured, along with the woman whose role it is to protect this tiny life

agree

I hate polish people who think like american's

I'm an American and I'm against abortion (unless emergency) so what's your point?
4 eigner   
20 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

You have to accept that a woman who is pregnant should be able to choose how to view her child (Yes I believe it's alive too)

no because in that case, many women will abort out of convenience and not out of emergency.
Just as well, someone could say I'll use my free choice to kill anyone I want and what will you say then? I'm OK with free choice but not when it comes to making decisions about the lives of other people.

OK guys, let's be honest with each other, we ain't getting anywhere with this discussion. We already now our opinions about abortion and any further discussion is nothing but a waste of time.
4 eigner   
19 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

They can very clearly live when provided with the help which modern medical science can give, so the situation is not similar."

Both can't live without any help.

Show me old or sick people who need to be implanted in an unwilling host and live by sucking the host's blood.

What I'm saying is that both, a child (born or unborn) or elderly and sick people need help to survive. there's no difference here and both deserve to be helped.

Did you actually read the whole thread? I doubt it because you'd know how I feel about abortion. From the beginning on, I was saying that I'm OK with it in emergency situations and that I'm against abortions out of convenience. The last is what I have a big problem with because people are taking it too lightly, making decision about it without taking other possibilities in consideration.
4 eigner   
19 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

the point that a thing which cannot live for itself without all the assistance modern medical science can give is not actually alive.

It is alive and you're not giving me a clear answer to my question, Harry
again, what about old people who can't walk and/or eat alone anymore or some mentally ill people, do you suggest to exterminate them too because they're unable to live on their own?

These people are practically "the thing" you described, they can't live on their own too.

As noted above, it isn't alive

it is alive even though it totally depends on its mother, just like the old and sick people who need help to survive

Fine: it can be implanted in that person.

I was talking about a situation after birth, Harry (read it again).
4 eigner   
19 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

but who am i to tell someone their choice? I did not wake up as God this morning and neither did any of these men.

don't forget, I'm not talking about women and their decisions about themselves, I'm talking about women making decisions about ending a life of an unborn child, big difference.

Dude, it's not a right you've given anyone so it's not for you to dole out consequences to anyone one way or the other.

dude, no one has the right to decide who's to live and who's to die, this is what I'm talking about.

The way you phrased it makes it sound like you've decided raising a child is penalty.

if you have comprehension problems, I'll gladly explain it to you what I said.

And do you honestly think irresponsible people make good parents?

Think about life before technicalities. If parents don't want it, someone else will. Thousands of people are waiting to adopt children allover the world. Anything is better than don't give a child a chance to live. It's easy to talk about taking away someone's life as long as you're not personally involve in it.

General statement: Again, contraception before abortion!
4 eigner   
19 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Yes, but people don't.

OK, before I'll leave, I'll answer this 1. Well, if they don't, they have to live with the consequences of their actions and raise the child., To allow people to abuse the right for abortion is like telling them, you guys can screw up anytime you feel like it and there will be no penalty for your actions whatsoever. People need to learn to be responsible and that's why abortion YES but only in emergency situations and not to support irresponsibility and let them do it anytime they feel like it.
4 eigner   
19 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

we are assuming that the woman knows she is pregnant, that can take a very long time 7/8 weeks

I'd say, after having sex, it's a smart thing to check it out whether she's pregnant or not before it's too late, right? and even much better, before having sex, use all possible means of contraception to avoid unwanted pregnancy.

They can very clearly live when provided with the help which modern medical science can give, so the situation is not similar.

not necessarily Harry, it all depends on when they perform it.

(will return later to answer all possible replies)
4 eigner   
19 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

If it can't live with all the help that modern medical science can give it, it is not actually alive and therefore cannot be killed or denied right to life.

Abortion still under control in Poland

here we go Harry, a pretty similar situation where some old people and some mentally ill people also can't live on their own and I'll ask you what I asked your friend DD before (he never replied though), "do you suggest to exterminate them too because they're unable to live on their own?"
4 eigner   
19 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

It is the woman's body and it should be her choice. (Gabi, me, Delphi, Pgtx)

A clear NO to that 1 as she's not deciding just for herself, she's deciding about the right to live of an unborn child.

None of us has the right to decide who's to live and who's to die (unless emergency).
4 eigner   
19 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

If abortion were made illegal in all countries

it's not really about making it illegal, it's about raising criterias for abortions so people won't be able to abuse it.
4 eigner   
18 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

What about old people who can't walk and/or eat alone anymore or some mentally ill people DD, do you suggest to exterminate them too because they're unable to live on their own?

end of story?.... is it really so easy, DD?
4 eigner   
18 Oct 2012
Life / Polands new immigrants from the West. [36]

Life in Poland without speaking Polish is next to impossible.

Sorry Rich, I can't confirm it. If you speak English, you can do quite well in Poland. I agree, if you're dealing with older Poles, you're lost but most of the young Poles learn it at school and it's pretty easy to make friends with them if you're open to it. Anyways, this is what I've experienced in Poland. It's probably different from case to case.
4 eigner   
18 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Sex is frequently an in the moment act with passion usually winning over ratoinal thought.

another reason why I'm talking about caring the consequences of it (both sides). However, a decision about life or death of a baby shouldn't be an option. Make the father pay child support if there's no chance for them to live together.

Again, contraception before abortion!

For those who have to have an abortion, ideally it would be before the hear starts to beat, so before 6 weeks.

my words (if it really has to be)
4 eigner   
18 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

free choice

I think you guys don't understand that a pregnant woman who wants to abort, is not just making making decision about her own body, she's making decision about getting rid of another human being inside of her and this is the problem.

Tell me, why is that a problem to use contraception? Think before you act is all I'm saying. When you sleep with someone, you have to be aware of the consequences of it.
4 eigner   
17 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Democracy is many bad things you don't want to think about :)

and yet, it has nothing to do with killing babies to be.
4 eigner   
17 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

People wanted democracy and free choice and now they forse their morality on others. Sick.

democracy has nothing to do with killing innocent newborns to be. It's sick to feel that way about democracy.
4 eigner   
17 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

You guys can all congratulate yourselves

Well, I guess we will congratulate you instead for being a living example for how inhuman some humans can be.
4 eigner   
17 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

What's your point?

why are you defending abortion so wholeheartedly? Don't you really have any problem with aborting a living creature inside you? Is it really all about numbers and science? What about human feelings?
4 eigner   
17 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Educate yourself my friend

mccl.org/unborn-babies-can-feel-pain.html

"With the advent of sonograms and live-action ultrasound images, neonatologists and nurses are able to see unborn babies at 20 weeks gestation react physically to outside stimuli such as sound, light and touch."

Besides, why are you defending abortion so wholeheartedly? Don't you really have any problem with aborting a living creature inside you? Is it really all about numbers and science? What about human feelings?
4 eigner   
16 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

so what is a men's role in it?

scroll up or even better, read all of my posts in this thread and you'll know that I was always saying that both parents are responsible for their actions.

General statement: Don't you guys really understand that abortion without any emergency, leads to a moral freefall of our, already sick, society? People are screwing around and don't give a damn about the consequences of it because they know, they won't get punished for it. Why not just use (every possible) contraception before aborting a baby?
4 eigner   
16 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

My point here is - women who don't want children do not have to have them. They should educate themselves, and use precaution

agree 100 %

Alive in what sense?

usually alive means, not dead.
4 eigner   
16 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

A foetus cannot survive without the mother up to a certain point, and before a certain point there is no EEG in a foetus.

and yet, it's a living creature
4 eigner   
16 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

The life support machine is supposed to be the mother.

yep, a living creature is supporting another living creature.
4 eigner   
16 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

if I'm on a life support machine and my EEG is negative I'm not.even if my heart is beating

is the baby inside of you on a "life support machine" too?

Girl, you're so vulnerable.
4 eigner   
16 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

but once again, the thing growing inside a woman is personal to a woman

personal or not, you don't have the right to decide who's to live and who's to die.
After 6 weeks, the hearts starts beating.
Your heart is beating too, do you consider yourself alive or not? If yes, then the little creation inside of you is alive too.
4 eigner   
16 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

I thought you lived in the U.S, where it is legal? or is it a state thing?

It is legal which doesn't mean that we all agree with it. Note that although abortion is legal in every state, it is not necessarily available in every state. As I said earlier, I don't mind abortion in certain, drastic cases but I do have a problem with it when people perform abortion just because they feel like it. I expect adults to be responsible for their actions.

How can you kill something that you cannot prove was alive in the first place?

As long as your heart is beating you're alive, right?

It's not up to you..

excuse me? If not for people like me, there will be countless, defenseless, little creatures killed, just because no one gives a damn about it. Of course I will take care of it and btw. I already did and I expect the same from everyone who's responsible for making babies. Adults should be making adult decisions and stick to it for Christ's sake. If one can't live with the consequences of having sex, he shouldn't have sex to begin with or at least use contraception (both, man and woman).