News / The Iran war and Poland [826]


I would like to think thats what most people want but plenty love hollwood movies.

The 1950's coup was a disaster for Iran with a torturing, murdering dictator installed the people did rise up and remove him and his goons. The west have never forgiven Iranians for choosing their own leaders. A common problem in much of the muslim world is that the only place dissent can be voiced is in the mosques hence the proliferation of bastardised versions of islam. Immans led the cries for freedom the middle classes funded them and the left were outmanoeuvred and the rest is history.

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Indeed it is as anyone with even a passing knowledge of the area knows. The only comparable situation where a ruling regime consistently tried to make water flow uphill was the rules based order's favourite, apartheid South Africa. The Afrikaners claimed they were there first and all the Black people arrived later. They pumped huge resources into "proving" this nonsense. Of course the usual suspects backed them to the hilt then their army was destroyed by the Cubans. In my country you often hear the same nonsense. The irony of people with Irish names living in Irish named areas on the Island of Ireland claiming to be democrats and discriminating against Irish people with a foreign NATO army enforcing this bigotry.

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That is just blind ignorance. your assertion that most Gazans are Egyptian is a common racist trope. Israelis claim that Said was Egyptian, Arafat was Egyptian despite the overwhelming evidence proving the claims are lies. Most Gazans trace their roots to Palestine proper, they were forced from their homes. Eurocentric meddling in that area disrupted everything because the people are seen as inferior needing to be civilised. Europeans have similar to what you describe. It would be mad to suggest Spanish speakers move to Italy to make way for colonists.

Thousands of years of history but Palestinians should be further cleansed for some nonsense about biblical rights which Christians and Muslims also have. Fact is the indigenous people have more right to the land.

Zionism is a European racist, political movement just like the Afrikaners.

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@Miloslaw
Please post YouTube videos elsewhere. Admin could open a thread for racist videos and you could post there. No one watches that crap

News / The Iran war and Poland [826]


Palestinians who lived in the levant for thousands of years developed their society as they saw fit even under the administration of the Ottomans. Claiming they lost the fight to manage it due to neglect is racism 101. Their society was destroyed by the British because they wanted to make their own decisions something that is fundamental to any people. Holding slave dictator states as some sort of high water mark is not a good look.


Yeah all Arabs are the same just like Africans all look alike. The Palestinians not ethnically cleansed are at danger of being cleansed. I may be repeating myself but Palestinians have thousands of years of connection to the land. The majority of Israeli Jews originate in Europe, America and former Soviet countries with no connection to the country. As a lapsed Catholic have as much biblical right to that land as any Jewish person ie none.

The two state solution as it was called was destroyed by Israel's refusal to negotiate because they didn't have to. The facilitators of genocide ie NATO ensure they don't have to negotiate.

Iran has been inspected non stop for decades and they have not been developing a nuclear bomb, they complied with every thing they signed up to. America didn't, as usual they lied for details see Iraq.

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It's not good for anyone.

The support for Israel from the "west" is twofold, the idea that they are bringing civilisation to unsophisticated peoples and solving Europes Jewish problem. The power dynamic that the colony offers to the west explains why it gets unfettered support despite what it does. The narrative in the west is of a plucky little country having to defend itself from a hoard of savages. This is an easy story to digest especially when coupled with religious tropes hence the invention of judeo-Christian values. This theological idea was deliberately changed to an overt political idea during the Cold War and now used to demonise migrants. The shifting semantics fits nicely with the expansion of the colony and its perception in the west. No one used judeo-Christian values outside of theology before the mid century.

The gulf dictators with their unimaginable wealth are courted in an attempt to repatriate the filthy lucre and these despots are loving their 15 minutes in the limelight. They however live in glass palaces. the power dynamic is against them. They are like a wildly successful rock band but the managers will end up with the money. The accumulation of wealth in one place is not good economics or politics. Iran with all its flaws standing up for itself and its ideas is good for the world. One idea they have is a single state solution to the colonial problem in the Levantine. The portrayal of an end to Zionism meaning death to Jews is a twisting of the situation.

Basically racist tropes like they made the desert bloom, they are Arabs let them go elsewhere, they are shepherds and so on is basically the last acceptable racism (excluding anti Catholic stuff) among the chattering classes. This is changing despite Israeli censorship, you can't hide a live streamed genocide or push it aside with a load of platitudes. The latest abomination or IDF pastime, of starving people then shooting them when presented with the chance of obtaining food would trigger a very different response if it were anyone else.

News / The Iran war and Poland [826]


Jon you are starting to sound like a maga guy.

The collapse of the Soviet Union basically let the NATO countries off the leash and look what they did. In a weird way Putin was correct when he said the collapse was "The greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century".

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Which is why Iran will in all probability rush for the bomb and the Palestinians will nevertheless continue to resist genocide while NATO cheers Israel on.


No rules based order ∴ nothing to undermine

News / The Iran war and Poland [826]

@jon357
There was a deal, though not ideal was working well then Trump blew it up.

News / The Iran war and Poland [826]

@mafketis
The same people/organisations that insist Israel has a right to defend itself.

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The reason is that both China and Russia put an end to NATO's rampage after Libya. No more rubber stamp or abstentions hence the "west's" support for the head choppers in Syria. Syria was sanctioned for doing less than Israel is doing but they are pumped with weapons and intelligence.

News / The Iran war and Poland [826]


Israel is currently in the process of erasing the Palestinians from the map. That policy is the core essence of Zionism.

Iran is a supporter of the Palestinians who have the right to resist occupation. The mad mullahs would not be in charge if it were not for the US/UK Coup which installed the crazed torturer. It takes some mad dictatorial sh!t to have Communists, nationalists, the business community and clerics uniting to remove you.

I dont know about Poland but British TV and papers have been full of the Sha's son this weekend. I dont know which rock the corrupt slid out from under but this has the look of Iraq about it. False stories about WMDs, intelligence led "imminent threats" and the Iranian Chalabi personified by yer man.


I would say its a deliberate policy to make Iran bend the knee and all the NATO countries are involved.

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@jon357
I am not a fan of Putin or his invasion, I think the twin towers attack was unforgivable. The point is that there is clearly an a la cart attitude to this. Israel is allowed to do anything it wishes with impunity and I find that disturbing. Israel is a nuclear state and we all know how they became so, they then went on to helpApartheid South Africa develop wmds with no consequences. I have guesses but really don't understand why their abhorrent behaviour is tolerated by countries who pretend they are not facilitating genocide.

The usual hackneyed arguments are trotted out about Iran mainly about hair covering and skirt length as though they cared. Israel does much worse to Palestinian women.

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Whoosh

Feedback / I love this forum - It's so Polish: tolerant, inconsistent, amusing [337]

@johnny reb
You must have a fantastic picture of yourself somewhere because your whining self portrait doesn't do you justice.

News / The Iran war and Poland [826]


Everything except legality.

Whatever happens the big takeaway is the so called free world doesn't give a fcuk about the rules they wrote. No more whinging about Ukraine and no more whinging about the twin towers in America.

Trump does what all us presidents do and their puppies trot along beside them.

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Brilliant.

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Good luck but don't worry.

I had a similar thing investigated last summer, after spending a lot of time living in Spanish speaking countries I was worried but all good no problem

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Is it an idioms?

News / Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland [495]


The Michigan Mystic is all knowing

Off-Topic / Stock Market Talk and Trading - part 2 [747]


When Egypt had free elections the border was opened then there was a coup. Since then Israel has full control of the Egypt/Gaza border in breach of their treaty with Egypt. Most people in Gaza are from families ethnically cleansed from what became Israel. They do not have a right to return but some Americans and Russians with no connection to the place can go there as a right. Moral purity is to uphold the rules written by the "rules based order" they dont do that. Ukraine can also be called a lost cause and Putin does what he does because he is following the script written by NATO countries. PS I dont approve of what Putin is doing.

I understand there is a thread about the Levant but these things are intertwined.


Most I have ever won was £40 about 15 years ago but I do have a Euromillions for tonight so looks like I'll be a man of leisure from Wednesday on.

Off-Topic / Stock Market Talk and Trading - part 2 [747]

@jon357
Its not easy to find ethical investment opportunities with pension funds etc entwined in the chain. I would argue however that the bare minimum would be for countries to enforce court rulings. The ICJ found Israel responsible for the crime of apartheid meaning that there should be sanctions imposed by those countries that claim to abide by the so called rules based order. There have been 40,000 refugees created in the west bank in the past year and where do those people go? A lot will try to reach Europe and North America. Both places have differing degrees of responsibility for the creation of these refugees.

European defence industries would then be a great place to invest. I do feel uncomfortable with private institutions profiting from tax payer money so favour the nationalised model for essential industries. Have all the competition you want between toothpaste and vacuum companies but public utilities should be run for the benefit of the electorate. Privatisation has been a disaster exposing the competition argument for the nonsense it is. Ending large investors ability to unduly profit from government contracts is a must. Small, private investors wouldnt make much difference and I see no harm in allowing them to gamble after all we have bingo and the lottery.

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The same company that happily supplied apartheid South Africa and is currently facilitating genocide in Palestine?

Edit
Its not a dig at you but at the morality free bollox that passes for modern economics

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The architecture or the ivory tower the so called rules based order uses depends upon it. I do agree that no one anywhere gives a fcuk about international law if it impinges upon their interests. That is the only comparison I would make with the Ukraine situation.

People have their horses and they will back them.

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Situations are never the same just like genocides are never identical. I'm talking about international law, you either support it or you dont. Its dissonant to support its application for one and not the other.


Then they (Israel) would negotiate in good faith as equals and not dictate.

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No one has a solution and one wont emerge until Israel stops breaking international law, ends the current genocide and dismantles the apartheid state they have created with the help of the so called rules based international order.

The interesting thing is that all those who get hot under the collar about Ukraine dont give a fcuk about international law when it comes to Palestine. Where is the outcry about herding Palestinians into cattle pens to give them some food because Israel has weaponised aid.

Fact is Israel originally served two purposes, it solved the so called Jewish problem and partially salved the conscience of European and US countries.

The Palestinian partition plan was contrary to the founding principals of the UN, a kind of original sin. But we are where we are. Perhaps the Israelis in general and the IDF in particular could give Hamas pointers in how to transition from an ethnocentric terrorist organisation into the most moral army in the world? I would ask the IDF for pointers but they have yet to transition.

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]

@Bratwurst Boy
It wasnt a bunch of Marxists that devised The Project for the New American Century.

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@Bratwurst Boy
Looking at Europe it wouldn't be an over generalisation to say that migration increased after the fall of the wall. The question is what caused it, I think there are two causes firstly the movement of capital and people are always intertwined so globalisation contributed. The second is the creation of refugees with the crazy middle east wars. Both these things are a result of an unfettered right leaning economic agenda.

Nationalists play on the nostalgia we all have but tend to follow economic policies which are contrary to their main selling point. Thankfully they all hate each other and are certain to fail as they cant square their internal contradictions.

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In Britain 14 years of eccentric right wing governments led to a huge rise in unchecked migration, a hollowing out of public services, huge public debt and empty coffers. The British army is a shadow of its former self thanks to the right wing. the crazies erected trade barriers with their nearest neighbours and failed to strike any trade deals.

The Conservatives were rightly thrown out of government replaced with a slightly right of centre party who have been handed a poisoned chalice. The fiction that any party that is not from the traditional right must be socialist is clearly a symptom of mental illness. I have seen Starmer described as a Marxist which is the most ridiculous description since the IDF being described as the most moral army in the world.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


That is quality trolling, much better than the sad but determined attempts of others.

If you are going to troll you may as well be funny, angry doesnt do it.