News / Do we finally see that Russia doing something positive for Poland, by successfully resisting to EU ? [57]


When did you try it and where did it get you? Don't be shy.


Shame on you. You just insulted toilet bowls.

I have four in my townhouse and nobody was ever raped in any of them.

Genealogy / Want to find a person [770]

I am not trying to change the rules. It's the attitude that I don't like.

News / Britain - problem for Poland and Poles? [117]


Spot no.

My greatest fear is that the US and WE are not sustainable. China is and so is Russia. That is why I always respected Putin.

With Trump in, surrounded by hyenas, things look better, but I am not sure about the ultimate outcome: the US turning into Brazil.

Genealogy / Want to find a person [770]

When I was in Warsaw last September I walked into my old liceum 37 and asked if I could the list of graduates from 1960. That list would have been helpful as I could recall only very few names.

The response from the Polish burocrat was immediate: no. Why? Privacy. Yeah, privacy about who the hell graduated in 1960.

That list was, of course, made available to all students and their parents in 1960. That means it was made public. To that lazy moron this logic was not convincing at all.

Again, as with my insurance, not even the slightest attempt to accommodate an old guy who after 50 years came back on a nostagia trip. Like calling somebody upstairs to check if, after all that time, with most of those on that list probably dead already, an exception could be made. No, in Poland such things like bending rules even a tiny bit or using reason does not exist. My best guess is that that privacy line was just another way of saying f*** off. I have other things to do and you matter s*** to me.

News / Britain - problem for Poland and Poles? [117]


He threw the high end, British-style, diplomacy into the toilet and flushed it. Repeatedly.

How can you not love a president of the USA who says: my nukes are bigger than your nukes. With the subliminal message: don't f*** with me.

I love the guy for this, the "animals", Mexican rapists, and a dozen of other things like his global warming walk out.


It's embarrassing. It should have been:

Talking lofty s*** is a tactical tool meant for the naive.

News / Britain - problem for Poland and Poles? [117]


Don't. Cynics keep the naive suckers alive.

News / Do we finally see that Russia doing something positive for Poland, by successfully resisting to EU ? [57]


Crow, I hereby name you as the smartest guy on this forum. That sentence above is brilliant.

Poland's future depends on if Poland can say to the EU to pound sand. For this move, Poland needs friends like Russia, Hungary, Czechs, and Serbs. Or Poland will be told to open its borders and become, just like the Western Europe already did, a global human sewer collector. It's really that simple.


My apologies to Crow: I don't want to kidnap your thread so I promise to keep it short.

Easy. Trump does what serves him well so far. Being predictable and stick to your word for the principle is what morons do.

Back to the thread's main subject.

News / Britain - problem for Poland and Poles? [117]

Sickening but not surprising. Making money is where is starts and where it ends. Talking lofty s*** is a tacting tool meant for the naive.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


OK, are you going to correct it or did you realize that you stuck your neck out too far?

For your convenience, here is what I wrote, which as true now as it was at the time I wrote it:

To Poles Katyn is a big deal

So, professor, historian, and the protector of the fragile Polish people, go for it and correct that sentence to your liking.

News / Do we finally see that Russia doing something positive for Poland, by successfully resisting to EU ? [57]

EU is a sick experiment which hopefully will run its course and fall apart just like the USSR. I will celebrate the day when it happens. Like the fall of the Berlin wall.

In the meantime, EU is going to sit like a monkey on America's back for protection and trading while giving the host all kinds pointers how the host can be more moral, loving and, above all, more agreeable with their new trading buddy, Iran.

And if things go bad, EU has "America" on speed dial. I hope that every-so-often Trump checks if both of his middle fingers are where they should be,

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


It's better to use murder rates.

US - 5 per 100,000 per year.

Canada - 1.6

Vermont - 1.2

New Hampshire - 1.0

Here is the problem. The US allowes all kinds of Latino garbage in. One third of El Salvador lives here already. On top of that, we get the very worst crap from El Salvador - like MS-13. El Salvador murder rate is about 100. The crap that "immigrates" here is worse than that as these are mostly men 15 to 35. Other Latino hellholes are better with their murder rates being 30 to 60 times higher than in New Hampshire.

The point is that if you dropped all that Latino scum on Warsaw, Warsaw would be a different city and any claim that Poland a very violent place would be pure nonsense.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]

Please, make that sentence to your specs.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


Neither have I. So what? To Poles Katyn is a big deal. To everybody else, it is not. Most, if asked, would say, What is Katyn?


I did not defend anybody's crimes. I just asked for the specifics and what the Polish collaborators' contribution was.


Do you think I stupid enough not to notice your straw argument and the classical liberal move to conflate illegal scum with the legal immigrants like myself? But that was a nice try.


The forums rules prevent me from expressing clearly what I think about what you think about me.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


You claim to have lived in Poland but no little about this place... It's know, not no. Whats is the definition of "little" that would be applicable to this conversation. I mean, how much do I need to know to meet your requirements? Which is a stupid question because no matter what I cite, you will dismiss as having come google. So scatch that bait.

...have not convinced anybody that you speak Polish...I didn't sign up to work for anybody. Plus, I don't give a ff. Plus, with the google translator, nobody, even you, can convince anyone that you speak Polish. Most Poles living in Poland don't know how to speak proper Polish, only a bunch of disconnected words without structure with a lot kurwas thrown in to toughen the message up.

have a bizarre story about forgetting your native tongue despite graduating from University and presumably writing a thesis on it

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


Now it's my turn to use the technique practiced by some here: You are lying. Prove it.

I will have breakfast now and I expect a proof that I any connections with Russia by the time I come back in half an hour.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


I specifically and as clearly as I could referred to the Russians raping Germans as a form of justice like in: you rape my woman I will rape yours. Except that later you killed my woman, Mr German soldier.


I see the problem that will not go away. You are emotionally invested in Poland. I am not any more. Poland to me is like any other country. I went there because I was curious, not because I have any feelings for Poland. I could have just as well gone to see Helsinki or Moscow. So when I say that 20,000 in Katyn is a drop in a bucket compared to 50,000,000 worldwide, I mean it becaue it is factually correct.

If you can, from this point on treat me as you would a random guy from Nepal and things will be a lot simpler.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

I find the idea of cc appealing but practically useless.

When a bad guy wants your walet and points a gun at you or sticks it to your ribs from behind, you are dead if you make a move to get yours. The only way I can justify having one on me is during a shootout with the first shot fired at somebody else.

Secondly, I would never take my gun and my wife to a place where I would be forced to actually use it. That is why you would never find me in a black 'hood.

I did take a cc course and even started the application process with the state police but I am not sure if I will complete it because of the above and because they want 150 bucks or so.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


Are you the only one here able to keep things in perspective?

The Russians in Berlin were gentle pussy cats in their treatment of Germans considering what these bastards did to them without any provocation whatsoever. "Social justice" was exactly what happened: raping a German woman whose husband raped and murdered the Russians. This term is used in the US when blacks want reparations from me for the slaves I never owned.

You know what's really weird here? I said exactly the same thing you just did in 1960 when I was in the 11th grade in Liceum #37 in Warsaw; that all German men who took part in the war in any capacity should be executed and Germany disbanded. Well, the Russians were a lot nicer. They just too with them anything that could be lifted back to Russia. At the same time the Americans were pouring money into the West sector, creating a welfare state to ride America's back for the years to come.

Back to Katyn. With the war casualties somewhere around 50,000,000 world wide, the 20,000 killed in Katyn is a drop in the bucket. I realize that many of you are emotionally invested in all things Polish and threat Poland as the center of the universe. This emotional approach was so clearly visible when someone here wrote that the Katyn victims were Polish officers. What if they were plumbers? Does it change anything?

Crow, I made some changes to the quote to meet the forum rules.


That "not all" is a straw argument. If it is meant to be just a detached sentence, it's a truism that should never be said.

In the US, we have invented the best response to truisms: duh!

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


No, I don't. The smiling and cheering Germans did but they didn't want to listen to that the inner voice of reason everybody has.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


OK. Were the Polish collaborators reluctant and acting out of fear while collaborating with the Soviets, or were they doing what they were told happily and then some for extra credits?

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


That's a deflection. My point is that Hitler was universally loved when he was bombing, killing and conquering. In that context, the Russian rape of Berlin was social justice at its best. It will be many years before Germans forget how f****** with the Russians feels at the end. Today, a German-Russian war would last less than a lunch break.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


It's actually Friday but I see your point. So, following your advice, the top on my convertible will go down in ten minutes and I will go for a little ride and a walk.

My questions are motivated by the fact that I see a lot of well informed people here who know things I don't. Over the years, I learned never to trust zealots and always ask for specifics. So many people "America" say how they hate Trump. When asked why, they are silent, pissed off, or blow you off with this profound: he is disgusting.


I am not praising the system. I gave the system credit for the good things the system gave me.

I left 90% because my first salary in Poland was 1500zl. That was just enough to pay for the train to work and the lunches there. Or a white shirt and a pair of shoes w Domu Towarowym na Alejach Jerozolimskich. Plaszcz ortalionowy was 1800 na Chmielnej.

I would never defend communism. Or the NAZI's. Hitler would not be able to commit his crimes without the smiling and happily cooperating German public.

My curiosity about Poland is to what extent the Soviets were aided and abetted by the Poles. As I said before, neither my dad nor me were members of PZPR. Nobody insisted that we join. He was doing fine as a scientist and was allowed to travel west before I left in 1966. My last address was Nowy Swiat 47a. Not bad for a guy who is not a member of PZPR. My high school was #37 a short walk from here.

I have very little sympathy for those who would for some principle risk their lives and the fate of their families. Those who were that stupid took the risks and lost.

Bottom line: how much culpability would an objective criminal court assign to the Soviets and how much to the Polish collaborators? No, I am not expecting some deep research. Just an estimate. 50/50? 80/20? It is reasonable to assume that the Soviets alone would not be able to do all of it. Right?

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


Who? The Soviet army, police, KGB or the Polish guys?

Who was in that prison?

How many?

What were the charges?

Were they executed without a trial?

If so, who executed them, the Soviets or the Poles?

Please don't be shy or refer me to a source that does not exist or is not accessible.

You do realize that the quoted sentence above is an equivalent of f*** off? Polite but exactly the same.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


So it was terrible but how did the Soviets force the Romanians to do it to themselves? If you tell me that whatever the Romanians produced was immediately stolen by the USSR or their soldiers roaming the streets like gangs, I will accept it. Or was it the Romanian ruling top doing it to those it ruled?


It will take no more than a paragraph. I am not expecting any documents and links, so go for it.

I am only asking for a list of the Soviet attrocities after 1946. Like I said before, if you insist to include what happened before 1946, please don't forget Dresden, and the two nukes in Japan. And how about 1.2 million Iraqis killed by the US on a "faulty" CIA intelligence. Oops.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


"Its old ways" to me means excutions without trials, torture, gulags, millions starved to death, exploiting other countries economically, attempting to subjugate other countries, etc. They don't even have death penalty. Their economy is equal to that of Texas. The life expectancy is under 60. It's a total disaster.

That does not look to me like the old Soviet Union. The aggressor is NATO by expanding to the Baltics and Poland, for example. Imagine Warsaw Pact in Canada and Mexico. The US would do nuts.

Am I missing something?

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

Comparing Poland with the US while debating effective gun controls is pointless. We have 300,000,000 of them. Even if we desolved the NRA, closed every gun store, and shut down all gun manufacturers, we would still have 300,000,000 of them. The only outcome being cops getting shot and killed for their guns. Right now they are too cheap to bother.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]

Now that Poland is free of the Soviet oppression, their crimes, like rapes and executions of Poles, should be made public and the relevant documents released.

Were they?

I wrote 1946 and forward as a point of reference to specifically exclude the war related activities. Yes, the Russians raped German women when the took Berlin. Did the rapes continue in East Germany under their control later on?

We can include 1942 through 1945 to show how bad the Soviet were. But then we have to include Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. There was no military justification to bomb any of them. Dresden was a purely terroristic act. Personally, my only regret is that we ran out of nukes and I don't feel sorry for the 50,000 Germans fried in Dresden who adored Hitler till his last day. If they changed their minds, it was probably because they lost the war. But a dispassionate observer of history has to keep things in perspective to retain his objectivity.

I saw Katyn. It was terrible but no more than Auschwitz. If Poland can hop into bed with those who gave it Auschwitz and the loses of 17% of the population, Poland should be able to play nice with the Russians. If the Germans today can say that it was not us, it was those bad NAZI's, then the Russian today should be allowed to say that it was not them but rather the bad Soviets, most of them dead by now, who did Katyn and other horrible things.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


I never said that. I wrote that the Katyn casualties on the world scale is hardly noticable. 20,000 dead?

Civilian lossed in Vietnam: 627,000. In Iraq: about 1.2 million. Try to put 20,000 and 1,827,000 on the same scale and tell me what you see.

That's the only point I was trying to make. Now, who are the bad guys?

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]


So? What does that have to do with the Russians? Did they force Polish communists to treat themselves better that others? Did the Russians force Polish communist thugs to open "sklepy za zoltymi firankami?"

All that s*** you are quoting was done by the Poles to other Poles. If the Russians were in charge of every crap, ALL Eastern bloc countries would be basically equally poor and oppressive. They were not. So before you try to hang some more s*** on the Russians, make sure that they were directly responsible or that they made such demands under threats.

I am asking for the last time: what did the RUSSIANS do to the individual Poles after 1946?

They behaved so well in Legnica, most of us didn't even know they were even there.

If you have any information about the Russians raping Polish women or looting Polish stores, please do share it.

News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]

Are you refering to me with that mr jagoff or yourself?

I asked for the specifics. Like, the Russians raped, executed, tortured, stole your food, used people for their body parts, you know s*** like that. Imposing communism is a catch all phrase which is meaningless. Unless one offers specifics.

In fact, I got free education, free medical care, was never imprisoned for my big mouth, was never forced to join PZPR. I was never homeless or hungry. Politechnika was free (za darmo). What else, my father was free to go to Western Europe to attend conferences, and was never a member of PZPR either.

What I do remember is that money was tight and that leaving Poland going west on a private passport was next to impossible. That's about it.

Almost forgot, in Poland we had two political parties: PZPR and another one I don't remember. And guess what, this is almost funny if it wasn't so sad: in the US, still the best place on earth, we also have two parties, corrupt to the core and faking being an opposition.

Now, instead of calling me names, could you kindly reciprocate and be as specific as I just was.

Just skip the insults. You see, here, in America we learned one thing: the first guy who uses "Hitler" or a profanity loses the argument.