UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


How long did it take for the public to find out about it? The authorities failed those girls. The UK isn't perfect, jon357. There are no perfect countries and there are no perfect nations. Although you apparently think that the UK is and the British are perfect and everything in UK is perfect - I'm not sure why you're clinging to this belief so hard...


The detective said they weren't.


Stop it, jon357. Really - stop it. You don't have to go so low. And for what? For such a "non-story"?


She isn't reading comments on this forum, you messed up demagogue.
And I'm mainly repeating what was written in Polish articles. The British police is free to deny all of that, but I don't see them doing that.

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Link?


What? Bruises on her face? Moved by whom and when? What are you talking about? The neighbours said that she had the bruises already when they found her lying dead on the couch.


Because according to Polish articles the cause of death wasn't given. It wasn't stated why the heart stopped beating.


What heart problems? Wouldn't that be given as the cause of death then? "The heart stopped beating most probably due to..." and not just "the heart stopped beating". Also, her family said that her ECG tests were showing that everything was OK.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


Yes, jon357, every male police officer is saying such things publicly and into the face of his boss, so he could get promptly fired, of course :))) On what kind of planet are you living? Isn't it called "La La Land" by any chance? ;D


Yes, the UK has it's own issues from what I've heard and read. That's why I have two other theories.


So how "many people of different professions" where involved in Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal? 🙄


I'm guessing that this is what the mother meant.


Judging by what the mother said the only information given was that Sandra's "heart stopped beating".

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


No, that's a real life comment.


Majority are though and you have no idea who the mother was dealing with and if she was "supported by Polish speaking police staff" at all.


Of course they do lol 🤦 Especially men in such cases.


Didn't you read what I wrote? The mother said that according to the coroner her daughter's heart "stopped beating". He didn't say why it stopped beating. If it was your child you wouldn't want to know WHY the heart of your 19-year-old daughter stopped beating, especially considering the suspicious circumstances?

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


Then what was the illness that killed her? What was she suffering from?


The police should know the cause of death though and tell the girl's mother what was the cause of her daughter's death.

And if they don't know what caused her death then the investigation should be continued.


Those flatmates were sons of some rich or influential people, for example? 🤔

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


You mean Polish men who say that "Polki tylko wyjadą do UK to się z Arabami puszczają. Dziwki."?


I'm sure they would be terribly helpful, as always lol


So what was the cause of her death?


Until the British police says otherwise and explains why they are not suspects in this case, I will think they weren't questioned.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


Well, if that's the case then there's nothing simpler then the police press officer telling this to the Polish media and explaining the cause of death of a healthy 19-year-old girl.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]

@jon357, if it was such a "non-story" I doubt the Polish prosecutor's office would get involved.


It doesn't mean it can't happen. Besides, I don't know if the mother knew about all those procedures. She came from Poland when she found out about her daughter's death, she didn't live in the UK.

Why didn't they say what was the cause of her death? Why did she have bruises on her face, legs and arms? Why the flatmates weren't questioned? Why DNA wasn't secured? Why the police didn't unblock Sandra's phone (the family can't get into it)?

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]


If that's a non-story for you then you're one messed up individual.


Yes, because they're the only ones talking.
So all I know for now is what they're saying.


That's how it should work in a normal, democratic country in such a case when there's a suspicion of police neglect.


They are - in Poland.


And how do you know that?

Btw, it wouldn't be a "non-story" for me if it happened in Poland either. Even though I had family members in the Polish police. I know how police anywhere can suck sometimes.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]

@jon357, I had a feeling that your comment will look like that...


It doesn't look like they followed them at all.


To explain what happened? It looks like even the mother wasn't informed why her daughter died.


Why?

For now it looks to me like shocking police incompetence. We'll see what Polish autopsy will show, but I don't know if it isn't too late - it's been 4 months already... :(

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [295]

A shocking case of neglect by the London police?: 😳😢

o2.pl/informacje/smierc-sandry-w-londynie-bedzie-sekcja-w-polsce-wiadomo-co-z-dna-7025444898376192a

A 19-year-old Sandra Nguyen from Warsaw who was studying architecture at the Kensington University was found dead on December 23 last year in the flat she was renting in West Kensington, London. She lived there with two male flatmates.

She was supposed to come to Poland for Christmas, but she never got there.

Her mother got worried because Sandra wasn't picking up the phone for a few days, which was unusual for her and so she asked the girl's neighbours to enter the flat. They found her dead lying on the couch in an unnatural position and with bruises on her face, forearms and legs.

The London police quickly decided that the girl died from natural causes even though her body wasn't checked for rape (no swabs were done, even though her mother asked for it) and semen was found on her clothes that were there at the flat (she had no boyfriend).

The London coroner stated that her heart stopped beating, but he didn't say why it stopped. Her mother said that Sandra danced for years and she had her heart checked every 6 months - everything was OK. According to toxicology tests there were no substances in the girl's blood that could cause her death.

The two male flatmates weren't even questioned by the police even though they claimed they left the flat before Sandra's death - and yet, the laptop found at the flat got plugged in 4 days later when Sandra was already dead for quite a while and allegedly there was noone at the flat.

The death scene wasn't secured and the flatmates were let in inside a day after Sandra's body was found.
The private detective hired by the mother said that it's possible there was a party at the flat - there were 5 glasses found there and the police didn't secure them, they didn't secure the DNA. The sheets with spots that could suggest that something happened there weren't secured either. The detective said that he got the material too late - it was already useless.

The London police officers didn't want to talk in front of the cameras. The flatmates didn't want to talk to Polish media either. The UK investigation was discontinued and so the mother asked in April this year the Polish prosecutor's office in Warsaw to start their own investigation.

On April 24 Sandra's body was transported to Poland and is being prepared for another autopsy.

I tried to find some info about this case in the British media, but all I found was this:

ground.news/article/mysterious-death-of-a-19-year-old-girl-in-london-polish-prosecutors-office-reacts

And it's just a short summary from Polsat News...

A 19-year-old Sandra and when she was 11 years old: 🕯️

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News / Homosexual lobby steps up infiltration in Poland [110]

@Novichok, so, as usual, you're talking out of your ass. Got it.


No, you don't. You're either criminally stupid or a pathological attention wh0re (could be both too, I guess lol).

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And you know that how? lol Has there been any reliable research to confirm that claim of yours?
Because I have definitely never heard of such phenomenon.

I've only read that women are more likely to report having some lesbian sexual experiences in their lives than men (17% vs 6%) and that they more often idenitify as bisexual than men (6% vs 2%):

cbsnews.com/news/more-women-report-same-sex-relationships/

There's nothing here about majority of proper lesbians being lesbians only "temporarily" though lol


Like in the RuSSian military? :D

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If you mean physical attractiveness then I doubt that it's true. You'd have to prove it with statistical data, results of some reliable research which I doubt you have :)

If you mean "manly" behaviour and way of dressing then that's probably around half of lesbians. The other half is feminine. The same is with gay men - there are those who are manly and those who are "feminine". The feminine gays are also usually not viewed as attractive by heterosexual women - not in the sense of the physical look, but behaviour. So it's not just in case of lesbians.


I honestly do wonder if he really is that stupid or is he simply baiting people to draw their attention, so he could unload his internal crap on them. Either way - he's not right in the head and a waste of time.


Imagine how women must feel when we witness the behaviour and views of such individuals.

Travel / Kielce and the area - amazing Polish Pocket Knives live there [105]

@Feniks, I'm glad you like them :)))

Travel / Kielce and the area - amazing Polish Pocket Knives live there [105]

Haha... :D Yeah, look at that wuzetka... and the nut cake... ;O 🤤

More photos :):

1. Staff with faworki (angel wings) :)
2. Staff and the owner with St. Martin's croissants.
3. The interior.
4. The exterior - their ogródek kawiarniany has a view on the Kielce's main promenade (the café is located on the Sienkiewicz Street).

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@jon357, is there something that you'd recommend to try in that Lokanta place?

Travel / Kielce and the area - amazing Polish Pocket Knives live there [105]

And the prices are affordable too :)

More of their stuff:

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For very good homemade-like cakes (and good coffee too) you can visit another Kielce's cult café - "Cztery Pory Roku" :) They have their own confectionery in another part of the city and I'm guessing that's where they're getting their cakes from. They also have all kinds of desserts and ice cream (their pączki are not so great though, apparently ;)).

Some photos of their stuff :):

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I've answered here :):

https://polishforums.com/travel/kielce-area-amazing-pocket-knives-live-88046/4/#msg1967984


As for kawa po turecku - has anyone living in Warsaw been to Simit House? 🤔

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Travel / Kielce and the area - amazing Polish Pocket Knives live there [105]

I've decided to "move" the discussion about "Wesoła Kafka" here from this thread:

https://polishforums.com/love/date-guidelines-required-88338/#msg1967856


I don't recall them having many cakes back then... 🤔 On the other hand, we were ordering mainly coffee there (we were just poor students xD), so I'm not sure... I do remember that on special occasions (like our birthdays) we would order cheesecake with ice cream and raspberry sauce and that was tasty :) Also, a hot apple pie with ice cream :) I think that cheesecake is still the speciality of that café and it's apparently still good (as is coffee).

"Wesoła Kafka" is a cult café in Kielce already these days, btw, and they've opened two other places - at Karczówka and in the botanical garden. The decor is nothing like in the original café at Wesoła street though.

This is what we would order during uni times: latte macchiato + cheesecake (first photo) and apple pie (second photo) :)):

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Btw, as for the present decor of "Wesoła Kafka" I doubt that the intention of owners was to make it "for older people" :)) It's only stylised for "granny style" and I'm guessing that the target clientele are women, considering that in Poland women go to cafés more often than men. I think that this kind of decor is supposed to give you a feeling of cosiness, warmth, familiarity and privacy. You'd also probably think that the shabby chic style of decor is for older ladies, but in reality there are women of different ages that like this style :)

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@Alien, why do you tend to read my comments so selectively? :)))


Read this fragment again:

Love / Date Guidelines Required [36]

Btw, this was my and my friends' favourite café during our uni times - we would go there often, we even did our homework or some assignments there :) It looked "artsy" and we liked the vibe :) (the decor changed since my uni times though, obviously) - it's called "Wesoła Kafka" and it's still operating :):

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The first photo is Blossome Café in Wrocław. Second photo - Camelot Lulu in Kraków. Third photo - Cafe Kattowitz in Katowice. The last two photos - HEVRE in Kraków.


I don't know, they look pretty normal to me... I mean, on the nicer side :), of course, but they're definitely not such high-end ones like in that first photo batch I posted. The first photo is La Petite in Warsaw and the last photo is from the "Pożegnanie z Afryką" coffee and tea chain stores/cafés.

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I didn't mean you :) I remember that Vincent, for example, was surprised about the look of cafés in Poland and how they work though.


That's not a problem as long as you can order a coffee (or tea) there and a piece of cake :)))

Some photos of random non-posh cafés:

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I picked those high end ones on purpose, of course, since you mentioned "something more special" :) There are all kinds of price options though, obviously - you can pick a less posh place that you can afford.


I don't know about Warsaw, but any café I've been to in Kielce had a waitress or waiter :) service (including non-posh ones). What does it matter anyway - if it has or doesn't have a waiting service?


Not really, I think it's a cultural thing (since you grew up in the US).


You'd have to know her to think that though :)

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Some more thoughts about going out for a coffee on the first date in Poland...

I think a woman may be more likely to agree to a date than in case of being asked out for a drink because:

- it's safer for a woman: cafés are safe, cultural places and meetings there often take place during the day. People don't get drunk there and noone will put a date rape drug into whatever you're drinking in a café;

- since dates in a café often take place during the day and there doesn't have to be any alcohol involved there's zero expectation/pressure on the woman to have sex with you. So, a woman will be more likely to think that you're not interested only in sex;

- cafés are usually calmer than bars and defenitely more quiet than clubs, so you can have an actual conversation;

- cafés are usually a good choice if you want a romantic atmosphere (as opposed to a bar or a club);

- cafés are a great option for asking out more quiet people, introverts, romantic ladies, intellectual types. Someone who doesn't like going to bars and clubs will defenitely feel more comfortable in a café;

- café may be less "intimidating" than a restaurant for some women, because they're usually more used to going to cafés (when meeting their female friends, for example) and so she may be more relaxed thanks to this.

And from a guy's perspective:

- if you want to pay for her on the first date then cafés are obviously a cheaper option than a restaurant;

- if it turns out that going to a café for the first date is not "good enough" for her then it may mean that she's "high-maintenance" or more on the gold-digging side and so - you can dodge a bullet lol

Btw, in case it wasn't obvious enough yet - yes, I'm a café person :)))


Some photos of cafés in Poland (that's mainly for Americans and the British in case they only know Starbucks) :):

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Also, if the date goes well you can always go for a walk in the park or sth after that coffee :)

And some articles for the culturally confused ;D :))):

rp.pl/kultura/art16053231-umow-sie-ze-mna-na-kawe

"Women go out for a coffee more often than men, it's a kind of habit for them, something very natural.

Men, on the other hand - if they plan a meeting with their buddies, they usually choose beer. They associate going out for a coffee with romantic relations, an element of the first meeting, a date."

ohme.pl/lifestyle/dla-ponad-polowy-polakow-kawiarnia-to-najlepsze-miejsce-na-pierwsza-randke/

"57% of Polish singles think that going to a café is the best idea for the first date"

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My guess is that Huzaifa997 isn't really "Huzaifa", but some troll pretending to be a guy from Pakistan :)


What... ;D In what country? Poland??


;D
Sorry, cms neuf, I'm only laughing, because I thought you live in Poland... Have you ever been in a café in Poland? There are plenty of nice cafés (and you can sit there like in a restaurant :P), you can also order alcohol beverages if you want there and order some food, like cakes, desserts, etc.


That's a bit more "serious", imho. Asking someone out for a coffee is similar to asking out for a drink - it's more casual. Lunch is longer, so if the date isn't going too well, you have to suffer for a longer period of time xD In case of just going for a coffee - I guess it's good for a first time and testing the waters if someone likes you or not... It's not too long and if you order something to eat you can take it as long as you want anyway, so you'll have enough time to talk.