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What??? He says exactly the opposite and he is correct?
His post is as idiotic as they get. Of course, Auschwitz was racial and Jews were murdered for just being Jews and there was nothing they could do to change that immutable trait.

Katyn was political. Period. If these officers had pro-Soviet political views they would be safe. Their ethnicity had NOTHING to do with what happened to them. Political views are NOT immutable traits and can be changed. Many have done just that.

If the USSR decided to pursue "consistent genocidal policy directed towards Polish ethnicity", as this idiotic post above yours claims, they would continue killing Poles after the war was over. They did not. Duh!

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Almost as good as a woman with an AR.

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Rare but appreciated.

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They probably did the same thing in Poland. That is why calling their presence "occupation" strips the word of its intended meaning. After 1945, the occupiers were Polish collaborators.

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That maxim didn't work well for AK.


That's what I just said. And that's why I respect the Soviets more. My only problem with them is that they were too nice.

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I already said that you were right because Germans killing Jews was in a different category than the Russians killing Poles in Katyn. One was genocide, the other politics. One was for the immutable victims' characteristics, the other for political and mutable views. Not even close.

What must be so upsetting to the Holocaust survivors is how Germans didn't suffer any comparable consequences. Instead, they were actually rewarded by the West. Sick.

At least the Soviets took everything they could lift and let thousands of Germans rot in Syberia until they were dead. That made the war more memorable to those who managed not to die.

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For the record, it was the Poles who started killing Germans first on August 1, 1944. Germans killing Poles was entirely preventable. In dozens of Polish cities, the residents only had to wait till the occupiers were gone. That's it.

The Uprising's primary target was the USSR, not Germany since it had nothing to do with the liberation of Poland from the Germans. The end was inevitable with or without AK.


From their pov, it was a twofer - Germans killing unfriendly Poles (Katyn 2.0) and Poles killing Germans that would make taking Warsaw easier later. Why would the Soviets want to disrupt it? And why the surprise that they didn't?

As far as "barbarism", the Soviets were very familiar with barbarism perpetrated on them in the millions so their sensitivity to such things was seriously diminished by the end of 1944. Later, they demoed the concept in Berlin. Good.

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It is the source of my total fascination watching the stupid part with their cash and the admiration for the crooks. Stupid me, I worked all my life.

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

That means that you were right in this case and that Poles are unable to place all events and emotions on the same linear scale. Theirs has to be logarithmic for things to fit on one page.

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I agree with you, Lyzko. Katyn is like Moon eclipsing Sun. To a Pole, Moon is as big as Sun.

Life / UFOs in Poland [53]

People who publish lies are a lesser problem. People who buy those books and say, Oh, yeah, are the problem and a fertile ground to plant lies that are more serious in consequences. Like global warming, masks, lockdowns, refugees, and more... These were just examples, not an invitation to another debate.

Life / UFOs in Poland [53]

Stupid people are so much fun. What would we do without them?
Some have two names with a hyphen.

Life / UFOs in Poland [53]

Quoting from that website...

"One May morning, 71-year-old farmer Jan Wolski from the village of Emilcin near Opole Lubelskie came across a few small green-skinned creatures and a shiny vehicle hovering low above the ground. Urged by them, he went inside ..."

Missing: two thin antennas protruding from the green-skinned creatures' heads. They did have heads?

Why is it always old farmers? Poland, Arizona, always the same scene...Why not Plac Konstytucji during lunch? Or the intersection of Marszalkowska and Aleje Jerozolimskie...Or the Old Town...Plenty of space there... The answer: old farmers don't have cameras. Their grandkids do and that is why ETs shy away from them.

Those ETs must be ecologically minded ...They never leave any junk or feces behind them. Their wives must have trained them well, I guess.

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Talent - yes. Poverty, crime, global warming - hell, no!!!

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]


Wilno was liberated by AK the way Paris was liberated by the French. Don't make me laugh. If AK never existed, the war outcome would be the same except fewer people would be killed in the summer of 1944 in Warsaw.


This is not about hindsight. This is about how the "leadership" sent men on a suicide mission. The very idea that 40,000 AK may somehow stop the millions of the Soviet army from taking Poland and turning the country into their own vassal is so idiotic that it borders on criminal. No, AK had no impact on the war in any meaningful way.

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You are wrong. Sending your own to death is a lot worse than doing it to the enemy. And then there are those numbers - 20,000 vs 200,000.

Don't overlook that the 200,000 included women and kids. 20,000 did not.

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Once you are in, it's not an option. Volunteering is and many volunteered.


Mistake is when I type "mystake". That was a criminal act that goes under "let's do something", no matter the benefits and the casualties. Effectively, it was 10 times more criminal than Katyn. Actually, even worse than that since to was the fat old Poles who, from their safety, sent the young and the naive Poles on an unwinnable mission and to their death. Plus, another 150,000 dead at the hands of the barbarians.


That's why I have nothing in common with that tribe. My emotions are reserved for fewer than a dozen people I would put my life on the line for. The rest can go to hell.

To the old farts safely in London, Poland was just a board of checkers. They were too stupid and emotional to play chess.

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And that is why they would not want me there because I would tell them to get their asses down here first and then give orders to shoot the guys who armed like 100 times better and are a lot less sentimental about killing me for my "bravery". Just to play games with the Russians.

That is why armies all over the world, don't like men over 35, and not because they are physically weaker. Those frontal lobes that develop by 25 do work but not the way the generals want.

Remember: every war has its generals who are safe and the obedient useful idiots who are not. Generals get monuments, useful idiots - unmarked graves. No, thanks.

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I am talking about HERE, not in Germany. Is it really that much effort to name names?


Good. Greco-Roman wrestling is disgusting to me. But I am not surprised that you like it...

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

In Poleland, the greatest single offense is being unemotional, logical, analytical, calculating, and being able to predict future outcomes. I can almost see that picture with every Pole and his right hand on his heart and the left with some toy pistol - all ready to go to war with them "Nazis". BTW, there were all Germans. Some were Nazis.

Anyone who says, let's chill out and think things through, add potential benefits and losses is a traitor to be shot or at least beaten up in a bar.

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Proceeding on "hope" is stupid. When the lives of others are involved, it's criminal.
Dropping things from high altitude turned out to be a disaster and was stopped.


And the AK couldn't figure it out? After Katyn, no less. I am running out of FCC-approved words.

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Quoting:

Why did the Soviets not help in the Warsaw uprising?

A major reason that has also emerged was Stalin had sought to colonize Poland and forming a communist state that worked as a Soviet satellite, and a successful uprising by the Polish Home Army could threaten Stalin's plan, thus chose not to ... supporting the uprising served Stalin's hegemonic ambitions.

Duh! Somehow, the AK just didn't plug that into their debates if to proceed.

Just for reference...AK in Warsaw - 40,000. Soviet army - 12 million and better equipped. But legends die hard and this one is no exception...

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You just blew it. Goodbye...

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Let me try one more time...


1. The Uprising was a political move and the war would end the same way with it or without it - except for the timetable.
2. Assume that there was no uprising and go from there. Tell me what you see. What would Germans do with the Soviets on the other side of Wisla and nobody shooting at them over here? Would they linger on, kill 200,000 and destroy the city?

3. No comments about me personally and no stupid analogies, either.

Try Radom for reference. No uprising there. No bombing. I know because my family lived there.

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1. The Uprising was a political move
2. Assume that there was no uprising and go from there. Tell me what you see. Try Radom for reference. Once you say, ...but Warsaw was the capital...you concede it was political.

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I read your post and like most of them on the subject is one pile of emotions and idiotic assumptions about me. I would be glad to respond on points after you re-post it without comments about me and only what I actually posted. Your inferences are not facts I will debate.

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But they decided to start that uprising anyway. Was there anyone sane? "Little weapons and ammunition" against tanks? Another repeat of horses against Panzers in 1939? Are Poles nuts or just can't count?

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BS. Circular logic at its best. Sure, once you start shooting you fight for your life because the guy you tried to kill is now shooting back. Duh!


The same with this bs line. In the summer of 1944, Germans were already in retreat, and "enslaving" was not on their minds. Sheer survival was. All Poles had to do is wait. That's it. Nothing else. Let the big dogs fight it out and watch.

The Paris "uprising" was in the category of the French army riding on the American tanks into Paris to make the French proud. I wonder if they tried to charge admission for that lame show.

I hope you are out of generic bs lines...or do you have more?

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There is a difference between politicizing and analyzing. We perform autopsies for a reason - even if the family objects.


I have no problem with heroes doing heroic deeds and dying. Like while saving a drowning puppy.

I object to the heroic deeds that kill those who didn't want to be heroes. In this case, for purely political reasons: Hey, Soviets, you are late and we are the Polish government now so screw you. Hahahaha...That was the essence of the Warsaw Uprising in one crude but truthful sentence.

Well, the Soviets had the brains and the last laugh.

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What the hell does this have to do with any uprisings?