TheOther
6 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
That map would've been a lot different in 1918.
then you could grasp the idea of how Poland should look like
That map would've been a lot different in 1918.
TheOther
5 Apr 2010
TheOther
4 Apr 2010
News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]
You're right. I was thinking about the ones in 1846 and 1848 when I posted.
You're right. I was thinking about the ones in 1846 and 1848 when I posted.
TheOther
4 Apr 2010
News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]
Well, the so-called uprisings: weren't they more like isolated incidences in a handful of cities? At least the ones in Prussia during the partitions?
There. That's how peaceful it was.
Well, the so-called uprisings: weren't they more like isolated incidences in a handful of cities? At least the ones in Prussia during the partitions?
TheOther
4 Apr 2010
News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Partition_of_Poland
you probably really meant 1775 or you need to crack a book on PL history
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Partition_of_Poland
TheOther
3 Apr 2010
News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]
Between 1772 and 1918 everything was peaceful ... :)
there hasn't been a century in polish history that PL and D didn't have some kind of a conflict
Between 1772 and 1918 everything was peaceful ... :)
TheOther
31 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Surname Krzyszczuk [35]
He was NOT born in Poland. So, if you are researching your ancestors and need to know which particular archives to access, find out first where he came from. Russian Empire, German Empire or Austrian-Hungarian Empire?
Nicholas Krzyszczuk, Born in Poland (not sure what city) between 1883 and 1886
He was NOT born in Poland. So, if you are researching your ancestors and need to know which particular archives to access, find out first where he came from. Russian Empire, German Empire or Austrian-Hungarian Empire?
TheOther
25 Mar 2010
Language / Is the term 'Polak' derogatory?? [254]
Plumbers? ;)
Is there another word that can be used that definatly won,t upset anyone...?
Plumbers? ;)
TheOther
25 Mar 2010
Law / My Great GrandMother was born in Poland sometime before 1915 - any chance for Polish citizenship? [37]
Looks more like an abbreviation, which was common in church books of that time. Could be Elisabeth Eleonora.
but isn't that a Scottish first name
Looks more like an abbreviation, which was common in church books of that time. Could be Elisabeth Eleonora.
TheOther
25 Mar 2010
Law / My Great GrandMother was born in Poland sometime before 1915 - any chance for Polish citizenship? [37]
Then she wasn't born in Poland.
she was born in poland sometime before 1915
Then she wasn't born in Poland.
TheOther
16 Mar 2010
News / Poland's trump card, the most famous Pole alive (L. Walesa) - what do you think? [38]
LOL!
I've been to Poland and liked it a lot, but no, thanks, I prefer to keep my Aussie passport.
before they are eligible to moan about partitions
LOL!
TheOther come to Poland and become a true Pole
I've been to Poland and liked it a lot, but no, thanks, I prefer to keep my Aussie passport.
TheOther
16 Mar 2010
News / Poland's trump card, the most famous Pole alive (L. Walesa) - what do you think? [38]
Let's see:
France annexed Elsass-Lothringen in 1918 ... 92 years
Denmark annexed part of Schleswig-Holstein in 1918 ... 92 years
Poland was reestablished in 1918 ... 92 years.
Okay, you've got 30 more years before the Germans are eligible to do something about the partitions... :)
...will stay under the occupation for 123 years then
they can start moaning
they can start moaning
Let's see:
France annexed Elsass-Lothringen in 1918 ... 92 years
Denmark annexed part of Schleswig-Holstein in 1918 ... 92 years
Poland was reestablished in 1918 ... 92 years.
Okay, you've got 30 more years before the Germans are eligible to do something about the partitions... :)
TheOther
16 Mar 2010
News / Poland's trump card, the most famous Pole alive (L. Walesa) - what do you think? [38]
Well, I always see people on PF moaning and b*tching about the partitions, which they call 'occupation'. Wasn't the German Empire partioned after WW2, too? ;)
Especially Slavs like you, right?
He couldn't speak German, that's the reason why... ;)
There's third generation of Poles being born and raised there
Well, I always see people on PF moaning and b*tching about the partitions, which they call 'occupation'. Wasn't the German Empire partioned after WW2, too? ;)
Slavs tolerate German existence
Especially Slavs like you, right?
Wałęsa often talked about the Gdańsk shipyards, not the Danzig ones
He couldn't speak German, that's the reason why... ;)
TheOther
25 Feb 2010
Love / How do Polish boys feel about foreign girls? [163]
How high is your standard ... ? :)
I meet all the time nice girls. In supermarket, on the streets, marketpace, even in Church ;)
How high is your standard ... ? :)
TheOther
16 Feb 2010
TheOther
15 Feb 2010
Life / 3 reasons why winter is the best time of the year in Poland [58]
Poland the cultural center of Europe? I think you have a severe case of wishful thinking. And besides: eastern Europe ... too close to Siberia .. too cold ... ;)
Located in the cultural and geographical center of Europe
Poland the cultural center of Europe? I think you have a severe case of wishful thinking. And besides: eastern Europe ... too close to Siberia .. too cold ... ;)
TheOther
6 Feb 2010
History / 'Battle of Britain' won thanks to Polish aces !! [158]
I was quite astonished, too.
If it's off topic it goes in the bin
I know, but this time most of it wasn't off-topic IMHO.
Must protest about the mod cutting half the thread.
I was quite astonished, too.
If it's off topic it goes in the bin
If it's off topic it goes in the bin
I know, but this time most of it wasn't off-topic IMHO.
TheOther
5 Feb 2010
Genealogy / William Alexander, 1850, Krunicza, Prussia, Poland [11]
Martha, just a small but (for genealogical and historical accuracy) important correction: the great-grandfather of your husband was either born in Prussia, Austria-Hungary or Russia, but NOT in Poland. That country didn't exist in 1850.
Krunicza, Prussia, Poland
Family legend is he came somewhere from Poland
Martha, just a small but (for genealogical and historical accuracy) important correction: the great-grandfather of your husband was either born in Prussia, Austria-Hungary or Russia, but NOT in Poland. That country didn't exist in 1850.
TheOther
4 Feb 2010
History / Kashubians are nation in Poland? [124]
Although I agree with you, that statement is a double-edged sword in my eyes. Would you deny a people whose country is occupied the right to fight for its freedom and independence? Remember how Poland regained its independence? The Basques would definitely disagree with us for example.
It wouldn't serve Europe well if we were to have hundreds of tiny
statelets of every historical region in our continent.
statelets of every historical region in our continent.
Although I agree with you, that statement is a double-edged sword in my eyes. Would you deny a people whose country is occupied the right to fight for its freedom and independence? Remember how Poland regained its independence? The Basques would definitely disagree with us for example.
TheOther
4 Feb 2010
Genealogy / Lubuskie Region / Rąpice Cemetery [19]
What I said is based on eye witness reports from both Germans and Poles whom I've personally met, and not on official Polish or German history books. The Polish communists for example were very eager to erase everything that reminded of the German past of the new territories, so they flattened German cemeteries, removed German inscriptions from buildings, destroyed protestant churches, burnt church books, and so on. Of course they didn't destroy the houses they were living in - the people were not stupid. Whether the Polish communists received specific orders from their Soviet masters to behave as they did or not, that I don't know for sure.
if Poles were about to destroy the region, as you suggest
Even Polish communists were not interested in destroying anything
What I said is based on eye witness reports from both Germans and Poles whom I've personally met, and not on official Polish or German history books. The Polish communists for example were very eager to erase everything that reminded of the German past of the new territories, so they flattened German cemeteries, removed German inscriptions from buildings, destroyed protestant churches, burnt church books, and so on. Of course they didn't destroy the houses they were living in - the people were not stupid. Whether the Polish communists received specific orders from their Soviet masters to behave as they did or not, that I don't know for sure.
TheOther
4 Feb 2010
Genealogy / Lubuskie Region / Rąpice Cemetery [19]
And what wasn't destroyed by the Russians was then often vandalized by the Poles who moved into the ethnically cleansed regions. Protestant churches and cemeteries destroyed, everything German erased, etc. - sometimes ordered by the Polish communists, sometimes out of pure hatred. Given what those people went through, I can somewhat understand the latter though.
was destroyed by the commie Russian soldiers
And what wasn't destroyed by the Russians was then often vandalized by the Poles who moved into the ethnically cleansed regions. Protestant churches and cemeteries destroyed, everything German erased, etc. - sometimes ordered by the Polish communists, sometimes out of pure hatred. Given what those people went through, I can somewhat understand the latter though.
TheOther
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]
How would that be possible, Torq? Ordinary people of the 18th century (or earlier) didn't have a chance to meet foreigners; at least not in such large numbers to form a "bond" between countries on a peasant level.
... and the mutual sympathy was equally present ... just as on average people level.
How would that be possible, Torq? Ordinary people of the 18th century (or earlier) didn't have a chance to meet foreigners; at least not in such large numbers to form a "bond" between countries on a peasant level.
TheOther
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]
Yes, that's true. Do you know of any other countries in the world that didn't acknowledge the partitions?
Turkey never acknowledged the partitions of Poland
Yes, that's true. Do you know of any other countries in the world that didn't acknowledge the partitions?
TheOther
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]
Versailles made sure that it wasn't taken away from the Poles again, IMHO.
Legally, your country wasn't occupied. It simply didn't exist, and this was an accepted fact before 1918 (except amongst most ethnic Poles, of course).
Versailles granted Poland something that the Poles have already taken.
Versailles made sure that it wasn't taken away from the Poles again, IMHO.
carving out a new country is not the correct term, legally reinstating a formerly occupied country is what fits the picture.
Legally, your country wasn't occupied. It simply didn't exist, and this was an accepted fact before 1918 (except amongst most ethnic Poles, of course).
TheOther
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]
Well, Poland was the result of WW1 and the Treaty of Versailles. As such, Poland was a symbol of the German Empire's defeat, you are correct.
I believe that the "Dolchstosslegende" is the key to understand what later happened. Hitler, the Nazis and many other Germans at that time believed that the Empire hadn't lost the war, but were betrayed by forces from the inside. It all goes back to this, and Hitler picked up on it when he later wrote 'Mein Kampf'.
Please don't say that, Sokrates. I can take quite a bit, but being called a Nazi is something I do not tolerate.
The main reason why Germans hated Poland was because it was the symbol of their defeat,
Well, Poland was the result of WW1 and the Treaty of Versailles. As such, Poland was a symbol of the German Empire's defeat, you are correct.
thats a bit more then simple reversing of Versailles
I believe that the "Dolchstosslegende" is the key to understand what later happened. Hitler, the Nazis and many other Germans at that time believed that the Empire hadn't lost the war, but were betrayed by forces from the inside. It all goes back to this, and Hitler picked up on it when he later wrote 'Mein Kampf'.
Are you a Nazi?
Please don't say that, Sokrates. I can take quite a bit, but being called a Nazi is something I do not tolerate.
TheOther
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]
The main reason for the Nazi's hatred of Poland was not race, but the outcome of WW1 and the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler wanted to reverse Versailles - nothing more, nothing less.
Poland was always an obstacle in German drang nacht osten
his aim was by destroying Poland to decapitate the "mind of the Slavs"
The main reason for the Nazi's hatred of Poland was not race, but the outcome of WW1 and the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler wanted to reverse Versailles - nothing more, nothing less.
TheOther
28 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]
I think you're wrong here, Torq. Google for 'Ruhrpolen' and you will find for example, that in 1871 there were roughly 500,000 ethnic Poles living in the German Ruhrgebiet alone.
Poles helped the Germans enthusiastically? You're kidding, are you?
Most of those who went there were probably volksdeutche of some sort anyway, so the number of actual, real Poles living in Germany is most likely much lower.
I think you're wrong here, Torq. Google for 'Ruhrpolen' and you will find for example, that in 1871 there were roughly 500,000 ethnic Poles living in the German Ruhrgebiet alone.
Without your peoples enthusiastic help it wouldn't had been possible
Poles helped the Germans enthusiastically? You're kidding, are you?
TheOther
28 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]
C'mon, don't go that way. You know as well as I do that this statement is nonsense and not very helpful.
of what a German really thinks
C'mon, don't go that way. You know as well as I do that this statement is nonsense and not very helpful.
TheOther
28 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]
Do you have a link to the Spiegel article by any chance? This gets confusing.
There was only one top dog with Nazi past and he resigned 1963....
Do you have a link to the Spiegel article by any chance? This gets confusing.
TheOther
28 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]
Sokrates
Interesting, I didn't know about the Spiegel research. Thanks for the translation.
That might be true for the top dogs of the BdV you've mentioned, but all its members? The BdV would be an illegal organization by now if that would be the case.
Oh, that changes a lot, of course. Sokrates, did the Polish newspaper article mention this as well?
Sokrates
Interesting, I didn't know about the Spiegel research. Thanks for the translation.
in other words Germans who pretend to be victims are either former Nazis or like Steinbach Nazi supporters
That might be true for the top dogs of the BdV you've mentioned, but all its members? The BdV would be an illegal organization by now if that would be the case.
The German paper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung wrote that Der Spiegel said this not in respect to the Federation of Expellees, but in respect to a predecessor organization that was dissolved in 1957.[
Oh, that changes a lot, of course. Sokrates, did the Polish newspaper article mention this as well?