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Teffle   
3 Oct 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Well that's because there is no such think as one homogeneous "western culture" or mentality,

Yes, but many Poles seem to think there is. That's my point.

Unless of course you are talking about western materialism, which Poles claim not to share in, but given half a chance would, then it's a slightly different point

Yes, partly this. Like I said:

My point being Poles can't have it both ways.

then it's a slightly different point

In a way yes, but still relevant I think.
Teffle   
3 Oct 2011
Life / The nature of Polish jokes? [125]

policemen in New York are of Polish heritage...

I had heard that they were of Irish descent

Both really.

Think about any clichéd US cop show - guaranteed there will be a Murphy/Quinn etc and a Kowalski/Nowak etc in there somewhere.
Teffle   
3 Oct 2011
Life / The nature of Polish jokes? [125]

Humour in Poland has tended to be aspirational and this is reflected in the fact that caberet is
still broadcast on the TV

Good observation.

Poles have mentioned to me also that the whole 'stand up' concept, which is standard in Britain & Ireland, is not that common in Poland.
Teffle   
3 Oct 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

only the first post about geography vs history and politics bit.

OK fine, but I am not confused about anything. I'm talking about perception more than anything.

Geographically, central is OK with me. Politically, alignment with "the west", fine. Culturally, mentality wise - it's much less clear.
Teffle   
2 Oct 2011
Life / The nature of Polish jokes? [125]

Seanus:

Teffle, can you elaborate any more?

Not sure. I think the only thing is to try and remember the next joke I am told by a Pole.
Teffle   
2 Oct 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

and then maybe just maybe i will take you seriously

If you are directing this at me, I certainly don't need you to take me seriously.

Until then it's just empty rhetoric fuelled by personal agenda,

Empty rhetoric?? A bit dramatic.

I have no personal agenda & have explained that I have no issue with the central term. Some Poles just need to make their minds up, that's all.
Teffle   
2 Oct 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

OK Hague I understand but this is how I see it.

For my sins, Poland has been (and possibly always will be) an Eastern European country. Simply because, from my perspective it's "over there", on the fringes, beyond etc. Being a neighbour of obviously Eastern European countries helps.

As I have said, if I thought for a minute that this term was offensive to Polish people I would never use it.

BUT and it's a big but, and I've said before, so many Poles refer to "the west" as some disparaging otherness, with the attendent usual bullsh1t opinion of decadence, immorality, consumerism and plastic food etc etc

"Oh no, but we're not Eastern European either - we are central European" as if that in itself implied some commonality of mentality, culture etc.

Let's assume for a minute that there is an agreed geographical "central Europe" - which of these countries simultaneously rejects association with both "the west" and "the east" ??

Exactly.

My point being Poles can't have it both ways.

Much as many would like to think, Poland is not this unique misunderstood paradise that defies definition.

I have no problem with Central Europe as a term but many Poles simply need to get a grip. They are not special.
Teffle   
30 Sep 2011
UK, Ireland / Corned beef & Cabbage are typically Irish? [98]

I'm surprised it's gone off, or down, the menu.

You'll probably find it has been "reinvented" (wish there was a roll-eyes thingy for this site) and can be found in upmarket restaurants served with a so-called twist, in a retro or ironic way, or has suffered some other pretentious fate...

Other than that, you might still get it in some battered oul dusty pub off the beaten track in the midlands somewhere. The real thing that is.
Teffle   
30 Sep 2011
Food / Polish name for cut of beef [29]

Jimmu:

And PLEASE don't use rib eyes for hamburger! It's a waste of a good steak

Probably not in Poland though.

doesn't have enough fat to make a decent burger!

Anyway - are you sure? Try googling "rib eye for burgers" and have a look.
Teffle   
29 Sep 2011
Life / The nature of Polish jokes? [125]

"This joke has already grown its beard that big"...

I know what you mean but it's not what I meant.

Think more "Hmmm" slightly smiling, eyes slowly closing, fingertips of both hands pressed together...
Teffle   
29 Sep 2011
Life / The nature of Polish jokes? [125]

a matter of translation and a good joke teller.

Of course, I should have mentioned that too and it can make a big difference.

Still, I do have the impression that I mentioned above. I'll pay close attaention the next few times I hear them. I can almost bet in advance that they will be semi-political, cynical etc though : )

Monty Pathon and other sketches about buying in stores some odd stuff with an accurate and odd description which are never avilaible?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly but if it's monty python-esque, there is probably no feasible explanation really. Funny because it's ridiculous, funny because it's so over the top, funny because it's so abstract...

The only "cleverness" in Python are the references sometimes. Jokes/sketches etc are rarely in themselves sophisticated.

Almost impossible to analyse comedy anyway usually. In fact, for me, the funnier it is, the less likely I'm able to explain it : )
Teffle   
29 Sep 2011
Life / The nature of Polish jokes? [125]

An odd one this.

Don't ask me for examples right now, but, I think there is a very distinctive trend as to what constitues a typical Polish joke.

Jokes in English often rely on wordplay, quirky observation, stereotyping, surrealism...anything really. Often a punchline, sometimes not.

Maybe it's me, but I've noticed that polish jokes tend to be more what I would call a "wry observation" a kind of beard stroking "Ah yes.Very good. I'm with you" type of thing. Not even designed primarily to elicit laughter necessarily.

Rooted maybe in anti-communist satire rather then laugh out loud.

Does anyone know what I mean?
Teffle   
21 Sep 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

I detect a slight derision here.

Not necessarily Pawian.

Poles, though poorer and with communist mental burden, are still better people than Westerners.

...and you are kind of making the point here. You are making the distinction yourself, saying they are different to "the west"

: )

Have a word with Ironside will ya?
Teffle   
21 Sep 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

OK Ironside, your obfuscation aside, simple question, do you think that over 40 years of communism has had no discernible affect on the attitude and mentality of the people in Poland?

I'm asking what you think now, your opinion, I'm not asking you to prove anything via decades of empirical research.

And I'm not going to be asking you for a definition of "mentality", "Poland", "opinion" ,or anything else for that matter.

It's a simple yes or no answer - it can be qualified if you like but it's still a yes or no answer.
Teffle   
21 Sep 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Define western or easter mentality or both and then we can talk.

That's a question for Adnar, who made the claim and Fuzzy who disagreed with it.

Personally I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that there may be a quite different national psyche between those who have lived mostly under communism (like the 44+ mentioned) and those who have never known it.
Teffle   
21 Sep 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Ironside overreacted again by saying:

generally people from western countries are somehow better ?

No, as you well know, it's not what he said at all.

Someone said that Polish mentality is more Western than Eastern, and Fuzzy said:

the majority of Poland's population right now grew up during communist times

What's wrong with that?
Teffle   
20 Sep 2011
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

Something that is often missed in these discussions (but I'm not saying that it is particularly poignant here) is that there is a difference between manners and etiquette. The two are often confused. It is possible to be well versed in etiquette but still be rude. Similarly, a person can be ignorant to various customs & country specific etiquette, but still have good manners.

Or to put it another way: etiquette is knowing a desert fork from a salad fork; manners are not highlighting that others are using the incorrect fork

: )
Teffle   
18 Sep 2011
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

Quite a bit of misinterpretation too which can lead to percieved rudeness.

E.g. I've noticed that Poles tend to say "Tak, tak" in fairly quick succession when agreeing about something.

"Yes, yes" said the same way, and at the same speed, with Polish intonation doesn't translate well sometimes - it can sound abrupt or impatient to English speakers.
Teffle   
14 Sep 2011
Food / Polish Pizza !! The best in the world? [330]

What's to understand anyway? It's so like ... bohemian and nouveau LOL

Anyway wait a minute - uptight countries? Coming from an American ? Albeit one that seems to think all Brits wear bowler hats and play cricket?

Oh, you're good DE.
Teffle   
14 Sep 2011
Food / Polish Pizza !! The best in the world? [330]

It's a wierd one though.

Why?

It's tomato based anyway. I don't get it. It's like adding garlic sauce to a chicken kiev or something.