Law / Starting a private kindergarten in Poland [44]

The after school clubs could be a good option, but location is the key here: you have to have this club close to some business centre where they have shift work. Find the centres located in the cities you are interested in. By the way, where do you plan to do it, which city?

Food / Is brain-damaging vegan fad growing in Poland? [176]

I think you're right Barney. I'd only liket to expand this:


to the fact that so is with the veggie food. Fruit & vegetables can (and are in the US and outside) be genetically modified, grown on pesticides, some harmful artificial fertilizers, like some nitrites etc. So non-meat diet can - and often is artificial too.

Food / Is brain-damaging vegan fad growing in Poland? [176]


I agree to this, but not entirely - it is not that easy to have a balanced diet without meat, as meat was originally in our diet and should be there. Not too much though.


True. But what is a "premature" heart attack;)? If I'm 66 years old (no matter the diet) - is it the right time to have a heart attack? ;)

Law / Starting a private kindergarten in Poland [44]


I got it from one of the local advice centres on EU funds. But most of the details are on their website too: efs.gov.pl/english/Strony/default.aspx

It took me really long to get deep enough into selecting any of those programmes and actually get to know anything, butonce you do - it'll be much easier and also there is free consultancy service at regional info offices (on appointment) and I'd advise you to get an appointment there but be prepared for the meeting or it'll be a waste of time. They can help a lot but you must know what in details you want to do, so do your homework before, make a business plan and this will be the best start for you getting those funds.

About what I dug out: let me know what you need exactly, I may have information on requirements, different childcare facilities statuses and funding. I guess it's too much to post everything here at random.


- to add to what I wrote there are 3 formal statuses of a childcare facility that can be sponsored. Fourth kind is something like a private "children club" - not much requirements, no restrictions and no subsidy either. It would just be a company providing service of childcare. The methods of external financing of the three I mentioned are below. Note that the numbers in PLN apply to Krakow and they are different in each gmina.

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Law / Starting a private kindergarten in Poland [44]

Indeed:). Apart from spending loads of time on the official internet websites on funding childcare facilities, I have a thick book about this POKL [EU fund] and I roughly know how it goes - but never I have seen 90% funding. I know for example that the project can be within the rang of 200.000 - 2.000.000 PLN but it's never returned that major part as 90%...

Law / Starting a private kindergarten in Poland [44]

Me too, I havent heard of such a programme from POKL, and as far as I remember POKL is the only source of money from the EU that can be used for this purpose? Then you have to choose the right programme and detailed point under which you would try to get the money for the business. Only three of them were close to things such as childcare...

Law / Starting a private kindergarten in Poland [44]


- of course, once you meet all the requirements - only then it is accepted and you can register, I took it fofr granted it was obvious, otherwise if you don't meke it for the non-public status you can have a different form of chldcare for different (lower) funding - 45% for a kindergarten group for example.

I know what you mean with those existing kindergartens/nurseries in spare classrooms, but here it's the details that matter and if you open new ones, it may depend greatly on the SanEpid people, they are the biggest "threat" to opening this business - them and the fire dept.

Dangelo, I'll look for some more information just give me a couple of days maybe and I'll dig it out. It's been some time since I delved these issues.

Law / Starting a private kindergarten in Poland [44]

Funding depends on a few things, such as the status of the facility. If you meet all the requirements and acquire the non-public status, you can then get 80 % of monthly cost of maintaining a child in a public kindergarten. That cost of one child in a public one is calculated in each gmina and is usually around 500-650 zł. So you could get 80% of similar amount per one child per month from the local gov't.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]

:) Hahahah. Oh, I'm just fecking with you Ironside. Relax. It wasn't serious. You are taking things too seriously sometimes.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]

Yeah, never bend for the soap.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


A vote on changing constitution? Hah! There is a Trybunał Konstytucyjny - are you a member of it?


- What in the name of Dark Lord is an Evangelical atheist?


- No? They reserve the monopoly for saying what is right and pure and true. They are like modern fashion designers: you won't wear those clothes because they are unwearable, not practical and look like from outer space, only look interesting on a catwalk and not in everyday live. But still they determine the trends! Look down at the pic.



Not confusing anything. And not only members can ask since every tax payer's money goes to RCC. I wrote this before - you don't have a choice. So one CAN ask why and not like it.


- ...and this secular country sets and keeps the boundaries for any Church from interferring in matters not being religion's agenda.


WHERE is thie agression exactly?


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Not all of them, they celebrate the ones common, The onec not supported by RCC are not holidays.


- YOh, because one needs to be reminded about their duties to their faith at each step? Does the faith need to be promoted this way and be reminded of? Is it that effervescent that if you don't put a cross or mount giant screaming loudspeakers OUTSIDE a church to wake up all neighbourhood, people will forget that they are supposed to follow?

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- Well, if they want to have respect and credibility they should take care of this, shouldn't they.
Besides, Bzibzioh (always wanted to know if that's your name or what?) If I understood you correctly, you are not being fair here: if you say that nobody gives a damn what secular non-believers think, then why the secular non-believers should take any interest in what the believers think? If so, then all religious symbols and national holidays and everything religious should be removed form public spaces etc. just to be fair and not promote any one religion, and keep to the constitution of Poland which says it is a secular country, not religious one. See, I'm not saying it should be done to such a major extent, but would be fair if we "didn't give a damn"...

Food / Is brain-damaging vegan fad growing in Poland? [176]


Hah, good one! :)
What's that argument that killing animals is inhumane and that's why we should not eat them? Animals are animals, humans are humans - treating animals as humans (humane treating?) is... weird at least. I treat my dog as a dog, and that is how he knows where his place is in his "herd", which does not mean that I don't take care about the dog or any other animal. I like all animals, snails, frogs, dogs (well cats - not really), cows, pigs and mice. If I see animal in need - I take it to a vet or feed. But I also eat some of them, simple as that [but never the ones I helped out;)]. Vegetarians/vegans and other food "sects" live in a world of fantasy I guess, but that's completly up to them as long as they don't call regular people animal killers or something.

My food eats their food:)


This is really simple: by biology humans are OMNIVOROUS and our teeth are both for chewing and biting, we have both fangs and incisors.


- Exactly. Too much meat isn't good, but eating just plants is plain stupid if you have acces to meet. You can't have a BALANCED diet without it, but you can eat meat products rarely and be fine.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


I will keep that in mind! BTW, I once made bimber alkohol and it was haluva good:)


The rules in commandaments etc. are just adopted from much older religions and/or social and ethical rules and schools. Religion may help some people (a lot of them actually) to keep within "the good" boundaries, but it is not invented by religion. Also, I think we all can admit that religion does not prevent any better from wrongdoing.

Life / Best place to buy cigarettes in Warsaw? [23]

Best way is to swiftly exchange cash with your one hand and take the box of fags with the other;) I know not any better way. Ask for PAPIEROSY.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


Babinich said that actually.


- So... what is the point for ths anyway? Is this the ultimate goal for some? It seems rather pointless.


- yep, very scary notion;)


So far biology & science, could prove all it found/discovered/invented - and it's been progressing like that since it started, while religion did not manage to prove a thing of what it claims. Howwever, biology, evolution and generally science did prove religion to say bollocks from time to time.

In a simple match: point to science ;)
I don't want to look at it as a simple match though, but you have to admit that science, i.e. what you know as facts, is something that you can rely on whereas the rest - ...



yeah riiiight...

Batman, Superman, Snowwhite, Bambi and Hercules and Xena as well!
All in our heads.
Remember this one thing: when you talk to god, it is a prayer, but when go talks to you - you are insane. Why is that?

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


I can stop writing your nicks in one line, for a very competetive price!


Ok, I am also for it. But here, under this thread we discuss different views right? No one forcing us at any point.


Who are you asking actually? Inquisition the right way to go? Who thinks that? Not me certainly. And the divisions you mentioned - each side is creating them. If you choose a religion to follow you start dividing (most of cases).


- I already did. I was raised in it. Also later I read much more on religions and Christianity (I guess much more than average Catholic). Thanks for the book, I might read soon it actually.

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- Ok, apologies for that, I didn't mean to sound like that.


- Now look what you've done! The song is now in my head for the rest of the day, you bad, bad man. And I don't even like this one. Arrrghhhh....


- Yup, funny as it may seem, I am far from those hippie views. But it is true I am having too much time now:) but what you expect at this time of year - I'm not selling fireworks:D


- Pretty much. It is biology, that's all. But the rules you mentioned are good and they keep life in order. That's why it's good to follow them. And ethics is not to get the prize in afterlife (or avoid punishment) but because it is just and humane. It does not cost and it is not to get some profits later.


- I must say you seem one of the few people who can write about religion logically and interrestingly. I will not be teasing you anymore;)


Who's the hippie now? :D


- Better not! The vessel would sink with me on board.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]

I know. But still...

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


Guys, seriously, hell? Hell is a notion used to scare and control people. Heaven is to give hope. These are main and best-selling products of Christian churches and other religions. I don't intend to convince you to anything, but imagine for a minute, what if there is no hell, and no heaven, no purgatory either (what the heck is that invention - beats me), and after death you are dead and put to ground and decompose (or cremated and put on a mantelpiece in a coffee can). You are gone. End of story, and no problems! Eternal life? Don't bul**it me, I wouldn't want to live forever - would you? Really? That would be so boring and repeatable and... scary. Hopeless. How does this view present to you, Torq, Bimber and Sobieski? I'd like to know [I am not teasing anyone here].

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


- Yes, facts or myths. Everyones personal choice...


Very true.


Some people prefer to keep their eys open.


Exactly. It's like Poles and Czechs also brothers.

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- Very true! I'm glad you wrote that. Either you KNOW or you BELIEVE. This is fundamental difference between believers [in anything, even spaghetti monster]


Aramaic. Not primitive version of Arabic, different language, precedessor of Hebrew and Arabic. But apart from this linguistic bit - I really liked what you wrote. Thanks.


- as one said: They gather once a week to compare clothing. :)


- Maybe this is today's version of a Catholic? I know decent ones, really but vast majority is not even close to the ideals they supposedly cherish.

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- Not true. If you pay taxes in Poland, you contribute to the RCC too inevitably, whether you like it or not.


- So creating more instead of diminishing is ok? Congrats.

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- Outsiders, insiders - soon there is better people, worse people, black, white, brown, etc. - As I said, this creates divisions! Where's the "love thy brethren" attitude, huh?


- Yes, totally. It affects everyone in Poland politically, financially, socially and legally. That's not secular Poland as in constitution (I think there is written Poland is a secular country).

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From what I see and read around - not many. Also few actually read the Bible, and other sources they should know well. But instead some people here [not all, some;) ] don't even follow the more well known Christian guidelines to love thy brother and spill loads of hate when other people ask questions and reflect on the questionable deeds of the Church.

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Somebody is loosing nerves here. As always.


Are you then a "so called churchist"?? ;)

Ironside, why wouldn't someone want to discuss such major social and political matters? Since the Church is visible and is acting in these arenas speaking for the rest of the people (e.g. lobbying on enforcing laws that would concern everyone) - why deprive some people the right to speak about the Church? Is it taboo for you?

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]

That would definitely


I guess. The Church would take away at least one major point from their opponents and show that their attitude is appropriate.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


In other parts of the same Bible, seeing in this context was used as having sex, so it is very likely Ham had abused his father.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]

Ohhhh please;) Aliens? Anyway, this actually can be more probable than visit of arch-potent, mighty angels, black-ops specialist in mission from God to destroy two cities (one angel wasn't enough? was there one for each city, or one was responsible for sulphur and the other was good with matches?).

And the sex-urge driven crowd wanted to screw... two aliens?? How did they even know that aliens were well... effable:D? Wow, that would be their life achievement! :D

Life / Stubborn Polaks, anyone knows? [77]


is not the same as Pollack, the first one is a Polish word, the latter being derogative English.
Objectively, it doesn't look good when Poles call themselves Polacks. It shows some problem with either integrity or lack of bit of pride out of being a Pole.