History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]


I just thought before the partitions there were many more ethnic Russians then just 30 million. I'll have to look into that. But that only furthers my point that half the reason that European countries become powers is because they have the numbers.

Its no accident that Russia became the biggest nation because it had the large numbers to bulldoze over all the smaller population countries around it. China could have challenged Russia with its numbers, but being an Asian nation it was content with the territory it already had. Europeans have always been most aggressive about seizing territory with the numbers they have.

History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]

But when push came to shove and clever Germanic nationalists came along to unite the Germanics with the notion of "us" (Germanics) against "them" (non-Germanics), the Germanic tribes started to unite.

History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]


I doubt it. Europeans may have put less of an emphasis on ethno-centrism back then, but it was still there. It was just dormant and underneath the surface for nationalists to exploit which they later did.


Very interesting.

I also think Russia had more then 30 million back then.

History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]

So people who spoke a given language back then saw themselves the same as people who did not speak their language?

I agree ethno-centrism of European groups back then was not as bad as the years leading up to WWI and WWII, but it was still there. Its true that people of a given nationality may have liked a king of another nationality but that relationship was tenuous and fragile. Deep down, each European ethnic group always had the "my people vs your people" mentality vs another ethnic group.

I was always thought it was interesting that Hitler referred to Poles as the "Polish race" even though they were both of the white race. That's how bad ethno-centrism got in Europe. But the seeds of ethno-centrism were already there in the prior centuries.

Poles/Poland lost much of its "power" because it didn't have the numbers. Its no coincidence that the most influential European countries of today have the biggest population numbers of their main national population.

History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]


In my opinion, Poland lost power because it bit off more then it could chew. It had land that had too many non-Poles in it who were loyal first to their own ethnicity and not Poland. So it was just a matter of time before these ethnic groups undermined and weakened Poland with the help of outside nations.

In proportion to the land it controlled, Poland back in the 1600's had a relatively tiny ethnic Polish population that controlled vast amounts of land.

If Poland had at least 3 times the ethnic Polish population back then that it did, it would have had more control and not as easily defeated. There is no two ways around it. Biological strength EQUALS national strength when it comes to European countries.

Its no accident that the strongest European countries today are the ones with the biggest ethnic populations native to those countries.

USA, Canada / Why are Polish Americans mocked in the American media? [226]

Penn,

Jared Padelecki is a cool guy.

Here he is on the Bonnie Hunt show.

Both he and Bonnie are half Polish and proud of it.

She introduces him as a "nice Polish boy"

youtube.com/watch?v=ch-9c4SV3QU

USA, Canada / Why are Polish Americans mocked in the American media? [226]

LOL

Well there you go!

I thought overall the show portrayed him OK as a Polish American. But like I say, he had his fair share of negative qualities including his looks....he wasn't exactly the best looking guy LOL

So nobody can say..... I MediaWatch (and other Polish Americans).... will only accept Polish characters on TV if they only have good qualities.

Detective Andy Sipowicz had his fair share of bad qualities....but I still liked him overall. But that's just my opinion.

At least with the new Police show "Chicago Code", the Polish American detective is better looking

Chicago Code

Meet Jarek Wysocki

youtube.com/watch?v=nplb-VK1cbI

USA, Canada / Why are Polish Americans mocked in the American media? [226]


I'm not sure what you mean by "people don't look through that propaganda".

But as for, are Poles/Polish Americans perfect? Absolutely not.

If a character of Polish ancestry on TV has negative qualities, then fine. As long as its within reason.

I just don't want to see a Polish character all of a sudden acting like he has subhuman intelligence and then incorporated into the theme of the show, is that he's acting like he has subhuman intelligence BECAUSE of his Polish ancestry. You know what I mean? Like a certain show in Germany. ;)

Like imagery of a Polish guy (we both know of) acting like he has subhuman intelligence, as in - he all of a sudden wants to live like an animal in a barn and act like an animal. All the while making it absolutely known he is POLISH POLISH POLISH POLISH or in the case of this one show, he's from "Polen". LOL

If the Polish American cop in this show has flaws like a Polish American Detective Andy Sipowicz in the old show NYPD Blue, then I guess that's OK.

Those negative qualities are at least understandable.

Detective Andy Sipowicz in NYPD Blue had problems with alcohol, had anger problems, problems with some disfunctional people in his Polish American family, he wasn't the best looking guy, etc. Those negative qualities, although obviously bad, at least have some plausibility. Not exactly things that make his Polish character look good. But at least they are within reason.

Polish American Detective Andy Sipowicz - NYPD Blue

Andy Sipowicz
imdb.com/title/tt0106079

youtube.com/watch?v=BUjMs1JrhJM

youtube.com/watch?v=3x6nOBU4ipg

USA, Canada / Why are Polish Americans mocked in the American media? [226]

Monia

Polish American is Hero of New "Chicago Code" TV Series

Fox TV's new Monday night police drama, "Chicago Code," will feature a Polish American as the lead character, according to Shawn Ryan, the show's producer and director.

The first episode of "Chicago Code" is scheduled for February 7th at 9:00 p.m. (Eastern) and 8:00 p.m. (Central) on Fox network stations.

Mr. Ryan told the Anti-Bigotry Committee of the Polish American Congress the role of Det. Jarek Wysocki is played by the Australian actor, Jason Clarke.

Regular TV viewers should recall that Ryan is also the creator of "The Shield."
As a native of Rockford, Illinois, Ryan's association with Polish Americans in his formative years was an influence in giving a Polish ethnic identity to his lead character with the City of Chicago as a backdrop......

canadafreepress.com/index.php/articles-health/32971

But like the Polish American Congress cautioned, lets keep an eye on this show so that hopefully nothing negative gets written into the script about the Polish character.

I give credit to the Fox TV network for having this show.

USA, Canada / Why are Polish Americans mocked in the American media? [226]


You are nothing but an anti-Polish troll with your lies.

All you ever do is sit on this forum, monitoring what Polish people say and bring up Anti-Polish hatred and lies.

Anyone who has been to any Polish American organization or read reports in Polish American newspapers of Polish Americans helping Poles in America and Poland, would know you are again spewing anti-Polish lies and propaganda.

You are the last person to make any remarks on Polish Americans or Poles since you have time and time after again have bashed all people of Polish ancestry.

You started to do a lot more of this, just when Poles and Polish Americans questioned the integrity of the Russian investigation into the Smolensk plane crash. After that you went crazy bashing all Polish people inside and out of Poland. Just because some people of Polish ancestry "had the nerve" to question your RuSSia about Smolensk.

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]

So Grunwald you are an ethnic German?

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]


You are correct. Most Jews in Poland were very proud of their culture and CHOSE to be separate from Poles. They really didn't integrate that much. If they did, since they were outnumbered by Poles 10 to 1, Jews would have been absorbed into the larger Polish population over time and the Jewish population would have virtually been diminished and diluted. But that wasn't the case.

Jews being a very proud people, wanted to preserve their Jewish culture, so they generally kept to themselves. That was there choice.

Poles in general probably have a higher chance of having some Ukrainian or German in them then Jewish, since there were more Germans and Ukrainians coming and going from and to Poland, since these countries bordered Poland. Conversely, the people of Germany and Ukraine can have some Polish in them because of their proximity to Poland.

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]


I agree strongly with your premise that Germans don't want to shed their German heritage to be Polish.

That's why I believe Neitzsche is Polish. There is virtually no circumstance a German citizen like Nietzsche would ever say he is Polish if it wasn't true. Especially say it ADAMANTLY like Nietzsche did.

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]

That's interesting.

Crow do you think there is a chance Serbia will do that?

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]

I agree.

*shakes hands back*

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]

Thanks BB!

I couldn't agree with you more! :)

Germans, Poles and Jews TODAY probably share more of their ancestry then they know. There are a lot of Germans that have Jewish and or Polish in them more then they realize. There are a lot of Poles that have Jewish and or German in them more then they realize. There are a lot of Jews that have Polish-Christian and or German Christian in them more then they realize.

This is true since the borders of Central/East European countries kept changing so much that after a while, many of the people in these countries integrated with each other more then what people of today realize or can be kept track of.

Here are some contributions Jews have made to mankind :)

Jewish Nobel prize winners

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/nobels.html
judaism.about.com/od/culture/a/nobel.htm

If I could have my way, I would like to see today's Jews, Poles and Germans stick together as much as possible, despite past frictions.

Well at least on paper, government wise, Jews, Poles and Germans stick together.

I heard a popular Jewish American, Alan Dershowitz, a long time critic of Poles and Germans, say not long ago on the radio, WHO would ever have thought that in EUROPE the two countries with the best relations with the Israelis are Poland and Germany? :D

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]


DOHHHH!!!!!!!

Uh oh, you got me there! :D

Although I do not know of any German ancestry that's in my family, I wouldn't mind finding out that I have some German in me.

Afterall I found out that I have some Jewish ancestry in me.

*runs very fast*

:D

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]


If wikipedia were to report on a large part of my family, it would appear that they are of German ancestry. Afterall, they had German names, spoke German, and have lived in German cities. But no, they were of Polish ancestry.

Outside of the Germans, no other group of people have spoke German, and integrated into German culture as the Polish people have. But, with all due respect, that doesn't change their Polish ancestry.

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]

Yes and I always heard that he was Polish. I heard a good German friend of mine say it. He brought it up not me.

I don't care what the conditions were at the time. Of course those who want to seem him as being German would augment and exaggerate these conditions.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO German would EVER want to be POLISH!!!

The notion that a German wants to be Polish is like saying Ice catches fire.

History / Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole? [138]


Well if Hans von Muller debunked it is has to be true! LOL

That is a good question, why would Nietzsche’s sister and Nietzsche put forward the notion they are of Polish ancestry????? Its not like being Polish is something to strive for among Germans. LOL

I don’t think there is any German that has ever wanted to be Polish and not German. The Germans have always been a very proud people.


I have to believe there is a substantial element of truth that Nietzsche is of Polish ancestry and not German ancestry. WHY would he say that?? I mean WHAT German would EVER want be know as having Polish blood instead of German blood???


Why shouldn't the Poles claim Nietzsche? After all Nietzsche has claimed them. ;)

Nietzsche has to be of Polish ancestry. Think about it. WHAT GERMAN citizen would ever claim to be of Polish ancestry KNOWING that he is really of German ancestry?????????

Knowing how proud Germans are, I don't think there has ever been one LOL

Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]


That's interesting information on the skills of Polish students in comparison to others.

Thanks BB.

Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]


Sounds more like the Russians. Most Russians I know think Russians who fight tooth and nail for Russia on various national forums, yet deny their Russian ancestry, are morons.


Well if you **** off the Nazis and Soviets (biggest European mass murderers around) I think you're doing something right.

These neighbors of Poland were also ****ed off at the Jews, so I guess the Jews "did a great job of ****ing them off" as well by your logic.

But you being of Russian ancestry, of course you see the Poles as always the bad guys when it comes to dealing with the Soviet Russians.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


So let me get this straight. I basically let you know that I'm part Jewish and that somehow makes me someone who "hates Jews"?? Say what??? LOL

That's twisted logic.


So is this more of your delph logic?

Play reverse psychology by disparaging Russia to prove you are not sympathetic to Russia?

Cute :D


So little Radio Maryja is the reason for Left-wing Big media bias against Poland?

Radio Maryja is a relatively new media outlet. What was the reason for decades of Left-Wing media bias against Poland before Radio Maryja?

Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]


Don't twist what I have said.

No I haven't proven anything like you say, except in the infantile minds of people like you who's desperate to play some childish game of "Gotcha" with people he disagrees with.

Polish Americans are aware of the Kaczynski's but naturally since they are Americans first, the Kaczynski's and other Polish politicians are not the first thing on their minds. Is that something too hard for you to understand?

Also to people like you, we Polish Americans are damned if we do and damned if we don't. If Polish Americans say they like the Kaczynskis, you bash Polish Americans for their choice of supporting the Kaczynski's (the ones that do support them). If Polish Americans say they don't think about the Kaczynski's all the time, you bash them again "for not knowing enough about Poland" and "therefore not being Polish".

Do you see how silly you sound?

So tell me are Irish Americans, Italian Americans, Jewish Americans not Irish, Italian and Jewish respectively? Do they have no right to talk about their ethnic backgrounds and countries of ancestral origin?

Also on this Polishforum we also talk about (have topics of) the Polish diaspora in the US, Europe, Canada, etc. Are you aware of that? Don't you think people inside Poland are curious to know what their Polish relatives abroad are doing?


That's cute delph. LOL


Yes I have. In fact I have quoted from one of them


Why yes if you're part of the Enemy Within a country, you're going to let everyone know what your true intentions are LOL

Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

I don't know any Polish Americans that define themselves or their "Polishness" by talking about pierogies, kielbasas or pronouncing their names. That's an infantile interpretation of yours. And what is with this strange obsession of yours about the Kacyznskis? Are you that offended by what they said about your Russia? One of them is dead, so doesn't that make you happy? Also most Polish Americans couldn't care a less about the Kaczynskis. Most of what I have heard about the Kaczynski's is what guys on the Polishforum like you say about them.

As for people like you who claim to live in Poland, sure you may go through the motions of paying taxes and "acting like citizens" of Poland, but then again every Enemy Within a country does this. Polish-Hater Jan Gross did that.

We have an Enemy Within America that also goes through the motion of "being American" and then they use that "status" to then trash America.

Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]


EXACTLY.

Over half of the people on the PolishForum ARE NOT of Polish ancestry.

Many people here portray themselves to have identities that are false. There are people here who say they are Polish and then say outrageous things to character assassinate Polish people.

For example, without giving names, I have seen some "Polish people" here make ridiculing and back handed remarks about Polish people, but THEN all of a sudden they become "Polish Patriots" (or have "Polish patriot" sympathies) when it comes to criticizing certain other groups or pushing certain topics.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Maybe he was reacting to what bad Jews have done and said about Polish people?

There is good and bad in all people. Rest assure there have been many bad Jews that have slandered Polish people. This despite the fact Jews CHOSE to LIVE in Poland for over a THOUSAND YEARS because Poland gave them more freedom then any other country. The Polish people ALLOWED and GAVE PERMISSION TO JEWS to OPEN THIS RESTAURANT. So doesn't that count for anything? Or do we only put a microscope on all the bad things Polish people say or do which anti-Polish trolls always do on this forum?

Do you think maybe your "anti-semitic family" are "anti-semitic" because of these kind of bad Jews?

Many Left-wing Jewish Americans in the past have slandered Polish people here in the US in the mass media and they get away with it. Can you imagine what would happen if it was the other way around?

Maybe your grandmother was reacting to those anti-Polish slurs by Jews?

Jewish American Seth Meyers of the anti-Polish TV Network NBC-TV, made an anti-Polish slur in the mass media not long ago. But hey since he's Jewish I guess that's OK LOL

Maybe your family, Poles and other Central and East European nations have negative things to say about Jews because of these kind of bad Jews?

Google the article "Stalin's Jews" from the ynet Israeli newspaper.

Ask yourself this question. Why don't Jewish leaders ever openly give credit to Poland for giving MOST OF THE WORLD's Jews refuge for over ONE THOUSAND YEARS, which no other country did?

Why don't they talk about what the great rabbi Moses Isserles said about Poland that: "If it were NOT for Poland the existence of the tribe of Israel would have been UNBEARABLE"Why do so many Jews take for granted all the good Poland did for Jews?

Poland did the most important thing you can do for other human beings. It gave the Jews a PLACE TO LIVE in relative freedom for ONE THOUSAND YEARS. If this was not true, Jews would have to be insane to have CHOSE Poland to live in for this LONG a time.


But what if you just hate THOSE Bad Jews who have done and said bad things about Poland and other countries?

But you may be right there may be a certain amount of Poles who have some Jewish blood in them just like there are many Jews who have some Polish Christian blood in them.

I have been told by my family members that I could very well have some Jewish blood in me. That's OK with me. But that wouldn't make me feel anymore or less about a particular issue.

Genealogy / ROMANOWSKI HISTORY [24]

Yes that's true. He had a rage problem. When he controlled his rage it helped him to perform better, but when he didn't, well.... um... errrr.... it went against him.

Genealogy / ROMANOWSKI HISTORY [24]

Hey man whatever it takes! LOL

No just kidding.

Nobody is perfect.

Most people in violent sports are psychotic at some level.

That Eagle football player Vic was torturing dogs for fun.

Look at Tyson.

The list goes on.

Genealogy / ROMANOWSKI HISTORY [24]

What about that Wild Bill Romanowski?

He was one of the best linebackers in NFL history.

He is the only linebacker who was in 5 Superbowls.

He played for 16 years and NEVER missed one game.

The guy was a machine.

youtu.be/0juF_FETGW0