News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]

@Alien, overall - maybe. But I will judge them for what they're doing to Polish media now. That's very important for me and for democracy.

News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]


Or rather 6 months and a half.

News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]


I wouldn't expect them to solve every problem Poland has after only 8 months in power, but it looks like they didn't forget about this one:

medonet.pl/biznes-system-i-zdrowie,rzad-dofinansuje-polska-psychiatrie--mamy-sporo-do-zrobienia,artykul,49225945.html

However, I'd expect them not to cause new problems.
How about you? Do you care about Polish media? PiS and their supporters claimed that they care about pluralism in media in Poland and the right to getting information. Where are they now?

News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]

Nobody cares? I care. I already didn't take part in local and Euro elections... I'm starting to wonder if I'm going to take part in the presidential elections...

Covers of Polish newspapers today:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/wielki-protest-mediow-czarne-plansze-w-gazetach-i-na-portalach-7045392801958560a

"POLITICIANS! DON'T KILL POLISH MEDIA!"

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News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]

Is the Polish government betraying Polish media in favour of the foreign big tech? It looks like it:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/po-co-nam-polskie-media-skoro-mamy-google-i-mete-opinia-7045090697894432a

Btw, I have some observations concerning some of the stuff mentioned in this article. Firstly, about those all powerful algorithms. I've seen artists complaining about them quite some time ago already. That it was better on social media and YouTube before they were introduced. And they're still complaining about them. I see other users complaining about them on regular basis too. Why are they there then if they make things worse? 🤨🤔

And as for those weird adds with fake news that the journalist mentioned - I see them all the time on Instagram for example. They are made to look like they are news from "Gazeta Wyborcza". Omenaa Mensah and Sławomir Mentzen seem to be "trending" in them now for some reason o_O (I wonder if Kuba Wojewódzki and Omenaa Mensah know that "they" are promoting some Neoprofit app lol):

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News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]


I'm saying this because Soviet soldiers were behaving in the same way in countries they were "liberating" from the Nazis.

So what kind of "message" Soviet soldiers intended to send by raping women in Poland? Or by raping women in Serbia?:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_liberation_of_Serbia

That it's better not get "liberated" by the Soviets? lol Well, we definitely got that message.

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]


Why not?


No, I didn't - where did you get that info? And what does it have to do with anything anyway?


Firstly, I'm sure not all women worked in ammo factories. Secondly, you don't know which were doing it "happily". Thirdly, Jews were forced to produce ammo, etc. for Nazis too. Also, I doubt German 12-15-year-old girls were working in factories producing ammo.


There was no "message". They raped, because they could.

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]


That's clearly a problem for the RuSSian government though and that "funny guy" Putin.


I wonder if you'd say the same thing if you lived in Germany back then and your granddaughters were gang-raped to death by Soviet soldiers.

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]


He shouldn't be joking about that. Rape isn't funny. Especially made by a public person and in such a context - Putin is a president himself. Jokes often tell you something about people's attitude's from what I've noticed. Did you notice that women don't joke about rape? Why is it always men? I think you know why.


No, I don't find anything "impressive" about it.


Then educate them. My parents never talked to me about such stuff.

But don't end there. Educate your sons about what rape is and how important consent is.

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]

Jesus... I had to google it to check if it's true...

From the article:

"Andrei Kolesnikov, a Kremlin pool veteran, heard the rest. "It was one of those moments when you couldn't believe your ears," he said. Another reporter said officials had burst into laughter."

I wonder if they'd be laughing if their wife or daughter was raped... Stupid a$$holes.


How is that supposed to lighten me up... 🙁

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]

And if you needed even more:

"A 1994 study found that between 25 and 35 percent of men lack knowledge about what constitutes rape, and a 2010 report noted men are more likely than women to have these attitudes."

Now that's freaking scary.

And this:

"She said Turner committed rape but that he does not think he did so. He did not apologize for sexual assault in a court statement to the judge. He apologized for drinking too much."

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]

And more from the article:

"University of Arizona professor Mary Koss, who coined the term "date rape" in the 1980s, found in a 1987 study that 7.7 percent of male students reported anonymously they had forced or tried to force someone to have sex with them. Almost none of them considered that to be rape.

Koss said she still hears these sentiments from her students. She said some young men think that, if they're as intoxicated as a female partner, whatever happens can be blamed on the alcohol. She adds that others think young women secretly want to be pushed into a sexual encounter."

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]


And consent wasn't included in the previous definition of rape in Polish law, which is... messed up. So, when I think about it now I have to go back on my statement here that I made in another thread:


Actually - it was.
After all - this is what rape boils down to - lack of consent. So that should be included in the definition in the first place and not last.

I've just realised that based on the previous definition of rape you would be allowed to rape an unconscious person or someone who is too drunk to resist o_O Because an unconscious or a completely wasted person can't fight back/resist, so the rapist wouldn't have to:

1. Use violance.
2. Use unlawful threats.
3. Use deception.

So, based on the previous definition - if you rape an unconscious or a completely drunk person and you didn't make this person unconscious or drunk yourself by the use of deception then... it's not rape o_O

So, yeah, that definition definitely wasn't complete, to put it mildly.

So now you will tell me : "What does it matter? Every moron knows what rape is!"

Do they though? Clearly not - there are morons who don't know and some of those morons are Polish judges. And Polish judges are not unique in this.

This discussion reminded me of the pretty famous case in the US when a successful student of some prestigious university raped an unconscious girl at a parking lot and was caught during the act by passers-by. He got only 6 months in prison.

So why am I writing about this and why the change in the definition of rape was important and needed? Here is why:

washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/11/a-huge-myth-about-rape-on-college-campuses-gets-to-the-heart-of-the-problem/

"Oklahoma State University professor John Foubert, who designed his school's rape prevention program, asked a group of first-year fraternity brothers in a 2007 study whether they'd ever raped someone. They all said no. Foubert changed the phrasing, however, and 10 percent of first-year brothers reported they'd penetrated a woman against her permission.

"They don't see this behavior as rape, perhaps as a way to protect themselves, to not be responsible for their behavior if that happens," Foubert said. "It's not just college students. You hear these beliefs in broader society.""

News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]


Exactly. I don't know where some men get this notion that FROM NOW ON a woman's word will be enough to sentence a man for rape lol They must be living in some fantasy world of their own making and not in Polish reality.

News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]


I should probably add "not enough for Polish judges". As it was stated in the article - the problem wasn't the law, but the mentality. And since you can't change the mentality "just like that", you have to change the law. And maybe in the long run that will also influence the mentality at least to some extent.

News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]

Here's a good article about why the change in the definition of rape was needed in Poland:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/zmiana-definicji-zgwalcenia-to-nie-gwalt-na-prawie-lecz-potrzebna-korekta-opinia-7044384982428512a

If in our country a court decides that when a 15-year-old girl is being raped by her uncle - her crying, saying no and pushing his hands away is "not resisting enough" then clearly the former definition wasn't enough. Apparently Polish judges have to have it written down more explicitly o_O

Also, prosecutors in case of rape accusation will still have to prove in court that there was no consent.

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


There are instances though when people take a loan or pay "na raty" to buy something that is needed now, because they simply don't have enough cash. I don't think there's anything wrong with that if it's important and reasonable. For example, when me and my brother were at school my mother took a loan to buy us a computer. Thanks to that I didn't have to go to an internet cafe every time I needed something for homework from the internet and I improved my French and I got better grades. That was some special loan given by her workplace or sth. She paid off the loan and we had a computer at home. No problems, no drama.

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


That's one factor for sure. But I think it's also a kind of need for "insta-gratification". People want everything "now".


Yeah, it looks like it.


One doesn't have to be from Warsaw. That city does things to you ;P


You don't have to be the corpo type or middle class. My impression is that it affects all "classes". "Poorer" people in Warsaw seem to be even more self-conscious about not being able to afford things - at least that was my experience in Warsaw.

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


Both you and Atch live in Warsaw though, as far as I understand - I think that may be a factor :) I get an impression that people living in Warsaw often have a bit of a different mentality regarding money and material things, than where I live, for example... Sometimes shockingly so... 🤔


Yup, I think that may be an important factor.

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]

@jon357, I've checked other stats too and in one table it was Switzerland at the top (don't know what year though) - but, again, Poland was at the bottom.


The thing is - I live in Poland and that's also my real life observation on the ground. That's why I decided to verify Atch's comment, because something didn't add up for me... 🤔

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


According to this table it doesn't seem to be so bad in Poland, btw, at least in comparison to other countries in Europe:

statista.com/statistics/1073593/household-debt-ratio-europe-by-country/

Poland is at the bottom of the table with over 40%, while Ireland has 91.81% and the Netherlands is at the top with 187.63% of household indebtedness in the first quarter of 2023 o_O

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


I've got an impression that's an increasing problem everywhere, unfortunately: 🤔

centralbank.ie/news/article/irish-households-become-the-fourth-most-indebted-in-europe

breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-public-debt-of-42000-euro-per-person-very-significant-for-small-country-1591722.html


Yup, although not every country will be as family-oriented, so to speak, as Poland. And as safe, but probably safer than the US, I imagine...

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


Oh boy... Family in Poland... Yeah... lol


;D


Yup...

Btw, could you go into details about the differences in family dynamics in the US and Poland? I've never lived abroad, so I'm curious what it's like in other countries :)

Life / What gifts to take? Presents customs in Poland. [173]


Potwarz! :O


Why... :O


Besides coffee flavoured I also like the hazelnut ones (I think they're the ones with the green stripe) :) Probably the only Merci flavour I could really do without is marzipan (I just don't like marzipan in general).

History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]


I'm guessing that was the point.


*feathers

History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]


As far as I remember my grandma would use denaturat to wash a rooster after killing it for chicken soup and she would singe it to get rid of the remnants of fathers or sth. 🤔 Ugh, the smell...


Probably a joke lol

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [283]


People wouldn't be getting enough vitamin D then though. 🤔

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [283]


According to you - the biggest moron on this forum :)


You could say the same thing about Ivanka Trump, since Donald Trump isn't progressive enough :)))


I don't know and I don't care, just like I don't know where her mother is and if she has any siblings. That's her private business.

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [283]


Well, "genius", I think it's more probable for a Polish woman to get into a relationship with some guy from Africa who came to study in Poland and stayed here, for example, than a Polish woman going to the "black part" of Africa as a sex tourist and coming back with a baby lol

PolAm's comment was retarded.


She's not transgender, idiot, and I bet she's prettier than your wife lol


:)

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [283]


Don't be retarded. You do realise that there are black people living outside of Africa, right? lol 🤦


What... Do you mean Egypt by any chance? ;D


I thought that men go to Thailand, not to Africa :D