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because of the doctor's stance you fail to admit (or rather their peculiar interpretation of the law)


please provide the proof that some of them ended tragically (apart from the one in Pszczyna) - the article doesn't state that

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read the article I linked - there has been so far no charges against doctors who have done abortions - so yeah their fears are not based in facts ergo they are not rational - spit all you want it doesn't change my opinion that you suffer from hysteria induced bias


complete and utter nonsense according to the same article you claimed to having read


I quote it again so everybody can see that you are so biased that you cannot see obivous statements that contradict your personal bias :

" Od czasu ogłoszenia wyroku nie słyszałam o żadnym zarzucie prokuratorskim, dotyczącym lekarza ginekologa, który terminował ciążę niezgodnie z prawem - mówi."

I have never seen you back down on your claims before so I'm curious what happens now :)

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it is a valid question - I mean: I doubt they did - however facts indicate their fears of the law are not rational - it definitely is not that black and white as I have tried to make it look, I admit - also just read the article I posted - there are a couple of different and opposing views in it (although some of them are not entirely sincere in my opinion)

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there have been no cases of such charges so far - so where is the atmosphere of fear - also when pressed by a feminist NGO all the doctors performed abortions - they suddenly felt no fear of the law - don't you think something is smelly here

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Again, I am not in favour of the new ruling for the most part (although the case of children aborted because of showing signs of the Down syndrome raises questions)

also what is there not comprehensible - if there is danger to the mother abortion is an option (as per the current law) - it doesn't matter if there is less or more of cases of such pregnancies - it seems the doctors are the obstacle not the law

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also there is a probability that the doctors act this way so as to make women have abortions privately for hard cash

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my personal theory is that (at least a percentage of) doctors actively sabotage current abortion laws (the article seems to prove it) for idealogical reasons - most doctors are in favour of abortions on demand as far as I know

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they are playing it safe until a feminist organisation demads an abortion from them (on behalf of the mothers) - and then they face no legal consequences (300 interventions of the organistaion and not a single instance of charges) - do you not see your own bias - do you not see that you see all things separately

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because of the outrageous interpretation of the law by the doctors not by the law itself - also the threat to the mother started late in the pregnancy (it's probably usually the case) but the law allows for abortion in such a case in ANY phase of pregnancy

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you haven't read the second excerpt from the article - it clearly states there was not a single incident of charges against a doctor for an abortion since the infamous ruling - to me it looks like a systemic sabotage of the current law (by the doctors)

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I doubt they would go as far as to make a fake news like that (falsely quoting a fellow patient) - if you do then I don't envy you

I understand they often try to manipulate things mostly by blowing things out of proportion but I never encountered an outright lie (maybe I missed something so I will gladly admit to be wrong if I'm corrected)

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@gumishu

can anybody tell me it's not a systemic fault of the doctors: Federacja na rzecz Kobiet i Planowania Rodziny informuje, że od czasu opublikowania wyroku Trybunału Konstytucyjnego interweniowała w około 300 przypadkach, kiedy kobietom - mimo występowania przesłanki o zagrożeniu zdrowia lub życia - odmawiano wykonania aborcji.

it's as if the doctors are actually sabotaging the law (gremialnie) -

here's the link to the article -some passages are very telling: wydarzenia.interia.pl/autor/jolanta-kaminska/news-co-zmienil-wyrok-trybunalu-konstytucyjnego-w-sprawie-aborcji,nId,5625221

like this one for example: Federa monitoruje też sprawę karania lekarzy. - Od czasu ogłoszenia wyroku nie słyszałam o żadnym zarzucie prokuratorskim, dotyczącym lekarza ginekologa, który terminował ciążę niezgodnie z prawem - mówi.

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and they didn't act like that - the worst case was the death of the mother in this case - they did nothing to prevent it even as they aware that a sepsa would develope if they didn't act - it is clear from the texts she send to her family - also (as per TVP INFO) the woman reported that she feels worse and worse and the doctors said thye didn't see anything serious (TVP INFO quoted a woman who was in the same room as the deceased)

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it doesn't reflect any better on them - if a doctor takes care more about his career than the well-being of the patient they shouldn't be a doctor - also if you ask me it's in a violation of Hippocrates oath

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even a haflwit understands that the law is in protection of the mother if the pregnancy is a threat to her life or health (it is even singled out in the infamous verdict by the Constitutional Tribunal) - it looks like the doctors in this case weren't even halfwits and never cared for the life of the woman in the first place


either you don't know what the Polish abortion law is or you cannot string together two logically coherent sentences - if abortion is completely prohibited in Afghanistan then it's different from Poland because abortion in Poland is allowed if the pregnancy is a threat to the life and HEALTH of the mother and in the case abortion is a result of an unlawful act (like sex with a minor, rape, incest etc)

also I'm not (as I already stated in the thread) in favour of the most recent ruling of the Constitutional Tribunal on the issue (at least not entirely)

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you can easily check the existence and political views of Kamila Ferenc by googling

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@pawian

I'll pass, since it's too easy, let other people guess

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all stupis people think it's PiS' fault - including yourself


good to know that you have a different opinion to a feminist lawyer - she is probably not feminist enough for you - or maybe you are too feminist (or maybe just simply biased and stupid)

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reincarnation is simply reinkarnacja in Polish
twin flame doesn't have good sounding Polish translation - a direct translation would be bliźniaczy płomień but I never encountered it
wędrówka dusz is an obsolete term (a translation of the greek word metempsychosis)

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@gumishu

even a leftist lawyer from a feminist NGO stated as follows (exactly what I stated above) in a radio program:

Prawo zezwala na ratowanie kobiety, która jest w ciąży, gdy istnieje zagrożenie dla jej życia lub zdrowia. Obowiązująca przesłanka pozwala na to, żeby ratować kobiety, tylko trzeba mieć jeszcze wolę, by z niej skorzystać - stwierdziła w rozmowie z TOK FM Kamila Ferenc, prawniczka Federacji na Rzecz Kobiet i Planowania Rodziny. Ferenc przyznała, że w takiej sytuacji prawo należy interpretować na korzyść ciężarnej kobiety


all stupis people think it's PiS' fault - including yourself

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the doctors are idiots simple as that - PiS figures (but also people from Konfederacja) clearly stated what is the law - and the law is when a pregnancy is a threat to life or health of the mother it can be terminated

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she died because of idiot doctors not because of any law - if a pregancy threatens the life or health of the mother it can be terminated according to the law

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Kyiv Golden Gate?

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it's stara dusza just as pawian said - it happens to be the direct translation ( old soul is a pretty simple concept that's probably why)

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you realize that if you hold a Polish passport you will subject to Polish laws like every Polish citizen while in Poland (at least in theory)

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actually the question translates simply as "What is this building?" (an afterthought)

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Mr Atch is wrong - Co to za budynek? is a perfectly Polish question - and it means What is this building for? ((more or less) - mafketis was right and he refered to a google search and not google translate (two different beasts)

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I have already stated in this thread that NBP probably doesn't seriously raise interest rates because of the concern about people with mortgage (I may be wrong though)


I blame the inflation discrepancy between zloty and the dollar for this - just my not very informed guess

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the current basic interest rate by NBP is 1.25 per cent: hardly an obstacle for those wanting to get credit - but I concur that the 85 thousand threshold for additonal tax is quite low - you maybe right about squeezing the middle class - we'll see how it turns out

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PolAm - maybe you missed my post about the 30 000 PLN tax free proposal so:

if you think it's populist and damaging (because the government will seek money elsewhere) it was the opposition parties who have proposed it first: 30 000 PLN tax free for those who earn as much (much lower tax free for those who earn more and no tax cuts for those who earn above 120 000 PLN) by Rafał Trzaskowski in the presidential elections of 2020

- similar proposals were made by Kosiniak-Kamysz of PSL also in 2020 -
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do you think they Trzaskowski and Kamysz are populists or maybe you believe that theirs were just empty promises made to gain votes