News / Will Chinese soldiers be stationed in Poland and Europe in 10 years? [63]


Not only in Ukraine. Their main aim is to divide the EU: they already managed to manipulate the British into leaving the union, they have their Slovak and Hungarian Trojan horses, they invest heavily into AfD, RN and other crypto-nazis all around Europe.

Off-Topic / JR Jim and Jerzy/Pawian. [16]


Hear, hear.

Anyways, this is going to Random soon, as threads about specific posters are not allowed.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


Press writes whatever they want to write - that's the whole concept of free press.

But you're right, we shouldn't be talking too much about Poland's real plans. Or Polish press should do some maskirovka of their own and report self-contradictory things... no, wait a minute... that's exactly what they're doing all the time. xD

Po polsku / Polska Broń Atomowa [106]


Oczywiście.

Przecież były już nawet prowadzone rozmowy z Iranem (pisałem o tym parę razy w innych wątkach) i kto wie czy ten kierunek nieoficjalnie i po cichu nie będzie kontynuowany w jakimś tam zakresie. Ukraińcy mają know-how, ale sytuacja jest tam teraz niestabilna, mówiąc delikatnie. Na pewno trzeba zacząć robić to o czym pisałem wcześniej, a w międzyczasie próbować działać na scenie międzynarodowej. Niestety jest mało czasu, więc musimy robić dużo rzeczy na raz.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


The situation in which Poland might find herself in the Russkiy Mir would require a set of specific circumstances:

- the US withdrawing completely from Europe (about 25% chance)
- Ukraine losing the war decisively (about 50%)
- Russia managing to gather enough forces to attempt the conquest of Poland (50%)
- Poland failing to get nuclear weapons on time (80%)
- Poland failing to build sufficient conventional forces to make the invasion unprofitable (5%)
- French nuclear umbrella turning out to be a bluff (99%)
- Europe failing to unite sufficiently (50%)
- European NATO/EU countries not coming to Poland's aid (25%)
- even the closest allies (Scandinavia, Germany, Czechia) not joining the war on Poland's side (15%)
- the EU failing to get an extensive trade deal with China (a very important event, in case of likely American-Chinese trade war, and possibly conventional war) (50%)
- the EU failing to come to some sort of agreement with China after the US withdrawal (25%)
- China allowing Russia to go on a rampage in Europe, disrupting their trade and communication lines (10%)

... the joint probability of all these events taking place is about 0,0000006%, so not very likely (to put it mildly).

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


That's 4 million.


That's still 2 million Poles wanting to be a part of Russkiy Mir. Good luck finding them.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


You're not thinking clearly.

It was easy for the US to organize the revolution in Kiev because millions of Ukrainians wanted to be a part of the West. Where would you find millions of Poles to organize a revolution to be a part of Russkiy Mir?

Po polsku / Polska Broń Atomowa [106]


Jasne, ale na początek od kogoś trzeba mieć to know-how (w sumie można też pójść w kierunku ukraińskim, w zależności od ostatecznego wyniku tej wojny), bo opracowywanie wszystkiego od zera samodzielnie zajęłoby zbyt wiele czasu, którego nie mamy.


... i na szczęście coraz więcej ludzi zaczyna to w Polsce rozumieć.

Po polsku / Polska Broń Atomowa [106]


Hm... tylko, że musiałby być bardzo duży i wolny z takim obciążeniem, więc łatwy do zestrzelenia. Do przenoszenia takich dużych ładunków przydałyby się raczej jakieś szybkie samoloty wojskowe... w sumie mogłyby być te F-35, ale będziemy ich mieć za mało, jeżeli myślimy o takiej skali, o jakiej wspominałeś.


To jest niesamowicie wkurzające. Jaką oni muszą mieć opinię o Polakach, jak patrzą na tych debili, którzy nami rządzą?


Ale ten sam problem może być z Amerykanami.

W takim układzie pozostaje Francja i Szwecja.

Po polsku / Polska Broń Atomowa [106]


Pisałem o tym w angielskiej części forum. Koreańczycy z południa zdecydowanie są dobrą opcją.


Oni nas nadal traktują jak Europejczyków drugiej kategorii. Nie potrafią wyjść ze starych schematów myślenia.


1-megatonowa głowica, w zależności od technologii, waży od 2 do 4 ton. Tego się dronem nie przeniesie.

Po polsku / Polska Broń Atomowa [106]


Małpiszon dostał bana na miesiąc. Nieźle musiał narozrabiać, ale nie wiem o co chodzi - musiałem przeoczyć jakąś poważną dramę. :)

News / Will Chinese soldiers be stationed in Poland and Europe in 10 years? [63]


Don't say yuck, BB. After the American pro-Russian shift, China won't trust Russia anymore (if they ever did). This will open a potential space for the EU-China deal (not necessarily military) but with potential for huge future mutual benefits (we are talking about the economy which is already larger than American in PPP terms).

Po polsku / Polska Broń Atomowa [106]

Dobra, Panowie, jedziemy z tematem, bo za dużo pierdu-pierdu w tym wątku, a za mało konkretów.

Robimy tak...

- rzucamy poważną kasę na kształcenie fizyków jądrowych i dopieszczamy finansowo tych, którzy już są (granty na badania, dodatki do pensji itp.)
- rozbudowujemy potencjał reaktorów jądrowych (jedyny jaki mamy - Maria pod Warszawą - to zdecydowanie za mało)
- rozpoczynamy na szeroką skalę poszukiwania uranu--w Górach Świętokrzyskich na bank coś jest, na przesmyku suwalskim i w Górach Sowich też warto poszukać
- rozbudowujemy też zakłady chemiczne i w każdym ma być obowiązkowo porządna komórka badawcza
- zaczynamy wielki program cywilnej energetyki atomowej we współpracy z Francuzami i Koreańczykami z południa
- stocznie remontowe musimy mieć na światowym poziomie
- w Akademii Marynarki Wojennej zaczynamy kształcić kadry do naszych przyszłych atomowych okrętów podwodnych
- zanim będziemy mieli atomowe okręty podwodne, opracowujemy system ruchomych pocisków balistycznych, trudnych do namierzenia
- przygotowujemy też oczywiście stacjonarne silosy w górach.

... i jedziemy konkretnie z tym tematem, bo czasy są niespokojne i nie ma co się pierdolić jak matka z łobuzem, tylko trzeba zacząć działać jeszcze szybciej niż do tej pory.

News / Will Chinese soldiers be stationed in Poland and Europe in 10 years? [63]

Perhaps there will be, perhaps not in 10 years, perhaps never...

In geopolitics there are no certainties, no rules set in stone--only game of power, conflicts of interests and projections of force. These things are best dealt with by intelligent adults. Sometimes, alas, the will of voters puts a different kind of people in charge of important countries. That's life.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


That's where you're wrong. There are not many things that Russia's afraid of but Poles with nukes is definitely one of them.

One way or another, we are not going to ask for anybody's permission. We are getting nuclear weapons and that's final. We wouldn't have to do it if America was still a credible ally. Unfortunately, they're not.

History / Why Poland is not Russia [260]

Men of culture, I salute you. Allow me to join your discussion...



In Polish it's "sraczka". In the phrase "dostać sraczki" It can mean being stressed maybe even panicked a bit.

Example: "Her boss told her to prepare a presentation for tomorrow and she immediately got sraczka".

We also, have "sraczka słowna" (to talk a lot, without much sense), or "mieć sraczkę" - be very afraid.

Example: "Before his final exam he had such sraczka he couldn't sleep at night".

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


Is this the book you get your alliance ideas from?

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


Now you're just being stubborn. :(

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


To be fair, Jonno has never made a secret of being a leftist, so his lack of admiration for patriotic, conservative and Catholic Endecja is understandable.

This, of course, doesn't justify his calling them 'fascist', hence the friendly correction from our part.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


With Germany it might have something to do with Lebensraum, Slavic subhumans and all this bullsh*t. Suffice it to say that no prominent NDek had ever expressed his admiration for Hitler or III Reich (like Jędrzej Giertych did for Franco's Spain). They were profoundly anti-German.


Oh, I though you meant "Dolfuss" as in "Adolfus", like play on words or something. I now used Google and found out, for the first time in my life, that there was an Austrian guy called Engelbert Dollfuß. Is that whom you meant? Sorry, but I am not a specialist on tiny European pre-war statelets.


Authoritarian, yes. Fascist, no.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


Of course. But - as I explained to Jonster above - they leaned with more sympathy towards Russia for very commonsensical and practical reasons. Being Russophile doesn't necessarily mean loving all things Russian unconditionally.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


It's unbelievable that an intelligent person can say such galactic nonsense. If they had been admirers of Adolf, they would have preferred alliance with him and not with Russians. Actually, Dmowski and Endecja were strongly anti-German and saw Germany as a long-term threat to Poland, particularly in regions like Silesia, Pomerania, and Greater Poland.


Sure, Endecja favored a strong, authoritarian Polish state but they did not embrace totalitarian or fascist governance in the way Hitler's regime did. Endecja leaned towards a nationalist, Catholic, and conservative vision rather than a mass-mobilized fascist dictatorship. And your reproach against them for wanting the alliance with Russia doesn't take into account that back then we had potential enemies from the east and from the west; the difference was that the eastern ones were our kin, and the western ones viewed Slavs (including Poles) as an inferior race meant for subjugation, and their goal of gaining more Lebensraum threatened our very existence.

Please, remember about all these factors, Jonny Lad, and don't make me call you a son of a Brit again.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


Now that's a bit harsh, isn't it? They weren't fascists but genuine Polish patriots who saw the future of their country in alliance with Russia rather than with perfidious Albion (the sponsor of Prussia--the main force behind the partitions of Poland--in the XVIII century) or weakened and unreliable France. The huge financial support that Britain directed towards Prussia in the 18th century, to weaken France, contributed to the rise of Prussian power and facilitated later partitions of Poland - which Britain pragmatically accepted, because Russia was seen as a better stabilising element in the east of Europe.

Both world wars, the expansion of Russia, the rise of the Soviet Union and today's war in Ukraine all stem from this original sin of modern Europe, from this vomit-inducing act of geopolitical cannibalism - the partitions of Poland. And it all happened because Britain in the 18th century had Prussia and Russia. Probably to make up for what they lacked in their own trousers.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


You would be surprised how many of them were. After all, Dmowski's Narodowa Demokracja was one of the most important political movements in pre-war Poland, and had many adherents, followers and sympathisers. There were many Russophiles among them, and yet they fought Russians when there was such need. I will fight Russia too if there is such need but it is our patriotic duty to try and avoid this war if possible.


There is no poetry in you, Paulina. No poetry at all.

But very well. Nie to nie. *pouts*


Good! That's exactly the approach we need and not the "oh, America won't agree" or "what will Russia say" cr*p.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


I am a heterosexual man. To be a heterosexual man and not be a Russophile is near impossible. I shall explain later, now I really have to go.

See ya.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


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What personal jabs? Jaysus...

Anyways, gotta beat it. Don't start any wars with Russia while I'm not here. ;)

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


But this is selbstverständlich!

And our official neutrality would take away from the Russians the argument that Poland is a threat to them (strongest easternmost NATO outpost at Russia's borders blah blah blah). In such conditions we could be Russian-friendly because there would be no risk of Russian invasion towards West. The EU would once again get cheap Russian energy (think about German industry!), the peace would reign, and we would be able to relieve our American friends from the sad and difficult duty of defending us.

A win-win-win-win (the EU, Russia, the USA, the world) situation.


They have a big enough button of their own. They don't need ours.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Why would we order pro-russian policies, even with a Russian-friendly government (getting cheap energy from them etc.), if the EU (especially Germany) remained our largest trade partner and the guarantee of our economic well-being? Doesn't make sense.

The only reason why Russians are contemplating aggression against Western Europe is our weakness. Strong, nuclear Poland, would be an insurmountable obstacle on their way.

News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]


Think about it...

If we had 200 nuclear warheads (10-20 megaton each), deployed, modern, top-notch technology. And if only 50 out of these 200 nukes reached 50 most populous Russian cities (out of each 4 fired only 1 reached its target) - ask ChatGPT what would happen; it can list all the cities together with numbers of predicted casualties etc. Horrible, terrifying and unacceptable.

Of course, Poland would be totally annihilated in such case as well, but the point is Russia would never risk such destruction of their own core lands for the "rich grounds of western Europe" (they have enough riches of their own, they only have to use them).

Nukes in Poland = Peace with Russia


We would probably be Russian friendly, because why not? Why not be friendly towards a country that cannot threaten you in any way? We would be Russian-friendly, German-friendly, Brazilian-friendly, Canadian-friendly. On a good day we might even be French-friendly (but maybe here I go too far).

Polonia / Polish bus crash in Croatia. Is there a fate? [229]


How to mention Vatican without mentioning Vatican. ;)