Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


And all of them have a reason to own them and are regulary checked upon. If someone wants to have a gun for e.g. hunting and is willing to invest time and money to get it, and shows that he can trusted with it, he should have one.


So is the fear of getting killed by a break-in. Gun advocats want others to accept an increase in gun violence and mass shooting for the purely hypothetical scenario of a break-in, or a "tyrannical government" taking over. A government that would possess drones, tanks, jets. I like the fact that children dont need to be educated how to behave during a mass shooting, and I hope it stays that way.

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Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


It is no just an opinion. The only two reasons why someone realistically needs a gun is for hunting and sport. If you are a hunter you should have one, I just hope for the sake of your family you are a responsible gun owner.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Because gay marriage doesnt impact me in the slightest, it does not pose any danger to me or my loved ones. Nor am I discriminating against someone by arbitrarily withholding basic rights to a group of people that others enjoy. If we had gun laws like in America, we would see an increase in mass shootings and police violence, both of which would have an impact on me. Guns are not something you should buy at Walmart, or keep lying around in your home. If someone wants a gun because he is a hunter, or is in a shooting range, then he should be able to buy one after he does the required background check and passes surprise inspection that prove that he keeps them safely stored.

However aside from hunting and sport, there is no rational reason to own a gun. I prefer my right of not living in fear from mass shootings ober the right of someone who wants a gun because he saw too many Cowboy films.Just because Americans have come to see mass shootings as something perfectly normal, does not mean we should do the same.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Hence my original point. Polish people dont need them, hence they should not have them.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Not worse than my contempt for you, I assure you. Though in this case I find your arguments just pitiful. You have no capability of decent risk assessment and I hope for your family that you won't harm them by having a gun.


There have been studies showing that the shooting accuracy of police officers goes down dramatically in firefights. And those guys are specially trained for this sort of situation.

google.com/amp/s/ajc.com/blog/get-schooled/gunfights-trained-officers-have-percent-hit-rate-yet-want-arm-teachers/mDBlhDtV6Na4wJVpeu58cM/amp.html

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

You might as well ask me what I would do if I were to meet a shark while swimming in a local river. I mean it can happen, but should people carry harpoons when they go for a swim? Burglaries where people are in the house exceedingly rare, and you are more likely confuse your late arriving child with a burglar and shoot him. Owning guns for self defense is stupid. You either have it lying around where it is easily accessible, thus accidents happen with it, or you have it safely in a box, so you can't reach it in time. If you have a gun that you csn reach within 15 seconds, you are one of those guys who got shot at a supermarket because your child grabbed the gun. You claim that you have guns for defending your family, but you are more likely to harm them with it. And that leaves out that your family is also more likely to become victims of mass shootings.


Let's be real here. People always claim that they would react like Bruce Willis. The truth is, if you start shooting, you will probably hit your loved rather than the assailant. Always funny when untrained civilians claim that they would do just fine in such a situation. Even trained police officers have often trouble in such stressful situations.


Not that you ever cared for facts, but that website has long been debunked.

web.archive.org/web/20190111100913/spiegel.de/international/germany/is-there-truth-to-refugee-sex-offense-reports-a-1186734.html

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Yes, yes, you are living in a lawless jungle where everybody needs a gun. ;)


But those items serve other purposes than just killing.

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One guy recently tried to use it when he attacked a synogogue. His gun repeatedly jammed, which saved a lot of guys. Make it more difficult for psychos to get weapons, and they are less likely to get them.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


We are talking about cases where those people dont have any need for a gun.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Because you dont give guns to people who dont need them. At best they are useless, and at worst could be used to commit a crime or kill someone by accident.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Evidently most Polish people dont want their children to have mandatory safety training about what to do in a mass shooting.

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]

If Hollywood were to make a movie about him, people would complain that it was unbelievable.

News / Poland economy is a financially drained economy of suppliers? [33]


Why would anyone consider this as a defeat, and to whom by whom? Condor was almost bankrupt and the only alternative to selling them whole would have been to divide their assets which would have put thousands of jobs at risk. Those are now secure for the time being. Since Condor had nothing to lose, it is the buyer LOT who carries the risk. Apparantly that risk seemed worth it to LOT, let us hope it works out. Because honestly, one article I've read was rather pessimistic about Condors' future, due to its' outdated fleet and because it currently relies an an agreement with Lufthansa to transport its' passengers from one airport to another, which might be now at risk if Lufthansa felt threatened.


When you deal with non-European countries, sure. At least with Poland, we know that they will abide to European employment rules, and they are as an ally not a security risk. German experience with Chinese companies has taught as extreme caution, and cooperation with European companies is for the reasons mentioned above a lot safer.

News / Poland economy is a financially drained economy of suppliers? [33]

German newspaper articles have described the deal as very beneficial for Condor, with LOT carrying all the risk. Let us hope that it works out well for both.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Every society can only absorb so much. The next wave of refugees will come, and then Poland will get its' fair share ;)

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Just basic math. Few births, young people move away and old people die out. Demography is predictable, the only onforseeable aspect are huge migration movements.


Germany is far from the only one with demographic problems, Poland's predicament is just as severe, if not more so. The simple truth is that having children is both a financial and time-consuming burden and many people simply want to spend their time differently. Not that children are not lovely, but it is understandable why not everybody wants them.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


The jobs available in small villages are in fact often different from big cities. Many villages have lost their local bakerys, supermarkets close because they do not find anyone to help out. You dont really need a higher education for that, and what you don't know, you can be taught. There are already several good examples for this.

nytimes.com/2019/09/19/world/europe/germany-golzow-syria-refugees.html


It makes sense once you consider that migrants assimilate quicker when they are forced to engage with locals, instead of gathering in big cities and forming gated communities. Adding to the fact that refugees will find it easier - as I mentioned - to find a job there, and we have a healthy chance for success there At this point, it is up to thw villages to either adapt or die. And every forecast predict that those communities who won't be open to migrants will be dead in 30 years.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Maybe to people who have been forced to people who left their home due to violence and poverty. But this is not the group I was refering to. If you are a highly skilled engineer, or a famous scientist, you might consider it very different if only because you can choose freely where to go. Sadly, it also looks like East Germany has also squandered the chance to benefit from the refugees. There are many stories of dying villages in the West, who applied for refugees to be distributed to them, and evidence suggest that their integration goes overall pretty good (because there are more jobs available to them and they get to interact more with the local population). In the end, it is simple math. Shrinking villages will see a decrease in tax revenue, thus public spending decreases and calculations are made according to which fewer people need fewer infrastructure, which causes more people to leave. A vicious cycle. Be it as it may, I only brought that up to explain why the former GDR is still lagging behind economically.


The usual cited figure is 2tn € until now.


As BB already said, the people forced the hand. They threatened to leave for the West, and who was going to stop them? The wall was already gone.

Additionally, it is also important to remember that we have a lot more information than the people back then. There was little expertise on how the economic harmonization between East and West could be achieved, and those that now exist were yet to be written. Furthermore everybody in and outside of Germany was mislead by the SED propaganda over the true state of their economy (or as the SED liked to boost, the "9th largest" of the world). Kohl and Co. initially believed that only a stimulus and some investments were needed to bring the East German economy up to date, not knowing that many companies operated under working conditions that were untenable by Western standards. This is significant, because if e.g. the Kohl government had allowed exceptions for those companies who e.g. did not meet Western safety standards -moral issues aside - it still would have left Western managers open to lawsuits and personal legal consequences if something happened to the workers because of it, because basic safety is not something the government can tell the courts to ignore. This also goes a long way to explain why rebuilding East Germany became so expensive. The government had to often sell companies for next to no money to private investors, because the money needed to make the company both competetive and safe often exceeded the worth of the company itself.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Well, stagnation is relative. There are some highly succesful areas e.g. around Leipzig, Dresden and Berlin. The biggest problem present and future for East Germany is its' catastrophic demographic situation that slows its' economic growth. It already had a very low birthrate, then it lost a lot of people to the West, and now it has great difficulties attracting foreigners that could help fill the void. That includes highly skilled ones, which sad, because particulary Dresden was getting quite a scientific reputation. But as the director of the Max-Planck-Institute once said: "If you are free to choose many different cities, you are not going to the one city in which 10.000 are going on a weekly march against foreigners."

But yes, Poland did rather well overall. Let us hope it continues like thia.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


I disagree. Maybe in hindsight it would have avoided some of the problems we are now aware off, but the people back then had other concerns and acted accordingly. The biggest problem in maintaining the GDR in some form was that it completely lacked legitimacy. People had overwhelmingly voted in a free election for parties that promised quick reunification, which would only have been possible by the dissolution of the GDR, since otherwise a very complicated a long constitutional process would have been required. Furthermore, there was little love in the continued existence within the structures of the GDR among its' citizen, as e.g. the change of the borders between e.g. Brandenburg and Saxony prove.


As we discover with the Euro, you can't have those two without a political union. Keep in mind that the political union made it much easier for the Kohl government to grant those unprecedented structural funds.


That happened in large because those Western managers had a) better experience in dealing with market economies and b) more importantly often had the money for crucial investments. Of course those who pay the money want control on how it is spent. Personally I think the quick reunification also allowed us to purge SED and Stasi-loyalist from important positions which had overall a positive development on East German society. Though of course like the Allies after 1945, there were many cases in which people received hardly an consequences, it was still the right thing to do.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


The GDR still had some companies that produced highly sought after products, like Foron home appliances. Mind you those were heavily subsidiarized, but still.

Of course, the GDR economy was imho doomed even then, because the cuts and reforms that might have prevented the GDR from collapse would never have been accepted by the population.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


From how they used to be in the 80s. This probably would have meant longer working hours (with the same wage), more focus on export to the West and thus less products for the citizens, less holidays, lower pensions and so on.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Enforced austerity would have happened if he had followed the advice of his comission and cut living standards by 30%. Because that was calculated to be necessary for the GDR to financially survive the 1990s. The GDR lived under Honecker from its' bone marrow, and what you rightfully experienced as dreary was actually more lavish than what the GDR could afford.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Difficult to say. Erhard thought that debts were potentially dangerous, but he never had to deal with a debt crisis, and during his time as economy minister and later chancellor, governing spending and the welfare state increased significantly.


What makes you think that? Honecker made never any attempt to reform the GDR's budget even when it was only saved from bankrupcy by loans from West Germany (via Strauß). Nor did he ever implement any structural reforms. The man's entire economic policies can be summed up as "If I ignore a problem, it will go away."

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Because they are not treated as refugees by the Polish government. Only a few hundred (if that) are recognized as refugees, the others are treated as economic migrants without any privileges that come with being a refugee. Poland can consider itself lucky to have them in order to adress its' labour shortage, but they are not anything to brag about when we talk about the acceptance of refugees by different government.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


This is hardly contradictary. Countries like Greece received an unprecedented amount of solidarity, so that they could remain in the EU and Euro. Austerity was the price they had to pay for it, because naturally other countries would have been hesitant otherwise to help them. Not only because Greece obviously needed reforms, but also because poorer countries like the Baltic states would have seen it as unfair.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Look at the international scene. You cant habe agreements without forceful rules, otherwise the stronger would just abuse their position. And why wouldn't they, not like there would be anything to stop them or give them pause.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Well, unlike the Uk Poland is not a net payer, and Warsaw has not been particulary helpful partner since 2015, so I suspect the fallout of a Polexit would be much smaller than Brexit. As long as there is a strong core consisting of the Benelux countries, France, Germany, Austria and the Nordic ones the EU will survive, since those countries would still benefit from its' existence. A core EU might actually be the way forward, truth to be told.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

The impact of Brexit will be felt over time, not instantly. The UK is getting less attractive as an investment target, and international companies will start redirecting their investments to other EU countries, reducing their presence in the UK.

Tesla builds its' giant battery near Berlin, not in the UK. And this is just the tip of the ice berg.

google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/bdc9f940-bb92-11e9-b350-db00d509634e

Less investments =fewer jobs tax income in the future. No doubt Brexiteers will celebrate it in 5 years that their country is still alive, ignoring how much better they could have been off if they had stayed in the EU. But then again, they have no idea of economics or how the world actually is, otherwise they would not have voted for it.

Off-Topic / DALMATIA - How much Poles love Dalmatia ? [123]

Which is why more than 55% of them voted for independence?

Off-Topic / DALMATIA - How much Poles love Dalmatia ? [123]

Looks like he does not even recognize Montenegro's independence.


Still better than the rogue state Serbia used to be in the 90a before it got properly scolded by Nato.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

They are hardly creating anything. They are just mindlessy repeating nonsensical slogans they red on conspiracy sites.

Though I must say I find it in poor taste doing this on a forum dedicated to a country that has suffered so much under both Nazi Germany and the SU.