Life / Polish authors, books & literature. [95]

Jan Kochanowski
(1530 – 22 August 1584) was a Polish Renaissance poet who established poetic patterns that would become integral to Polish literary language.

He is commonly regarded as the greatest Polish poet as well as the greatest Slavic poet prior to the 19th century

I-S ( He is good)

Paweł Jasienica
was the pen-name of Leon Lech Beynar (10 November 1909 – 19 August 1970), a Polish non-academic historian, journalist, writer and soldier.
He was born in Simbirsk, Russia, to Polish parents, Mikołaj Beynar and Helena Maliszewska. His father worked as a Russian official. Beynar's family lived in Russia and Ukraine until the Russian Revolution of 1917, after which the family returned to Poland in 1920. He graduated in history from Stefan Batory University in Wilno.

Beynar was a soldier in the Polish army during World War II and fought against the German Wehrmacht during the invasion of Poland in September 1939. After the defeat of Poland, he joined the Polish underground Armia Krajowa (AK, or Home Army) and continued the fight and was wounded while fighting against Soviet units.

Jasienica would later became famous for his popular historical books about Piast Poland, Jagiellon Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Good stuff!

Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]


People are the way they are because of deep cultural imprint which even religion wasn't able to change but only modify.
Interesting to consider pastoral versus agricultural - old world versus new:)

Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]


Priest are too latent for my testes and the church is too timid.
There were always the case and those profiteers were and are not only in church or not primarily in the church.


Well, imagine people without religions and its tempering and civilizing influence:)were would we be? You are taking too many things for granted - due to religion influence, on the other hand you blame all failings on religion.

Ah! Protestants cannot be an example because if anybody they make a war with -God is on our side- a rule, anyway against they Christian breather !


well, I don't care much about statistics :) most people .....and so on!

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [341]

bar moth

Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]


Well, I don't know enough about Isalmists to enter into serious discussion about Jihad:/
However Christian are not about killing!


Nergal is opportunist at best and Satanist at worst .....
Do not fool yourself Sean, he do not prompt people to thinking, he suck them into his own philosophy, those who are his followers are just that - new badge bearers!

Most people just follow and that is that!
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Doesn't mean he is right, and because you agree with him, its doesn't make him right

I-S (Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears!I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.The evil that men do lives after them.)


He was a freak not Catholic, are you Protestant because you were born one?no!
There plenty of those who just stick with a badge but not necessary are of any worth, there good sheep, black sheep and stray sheep:)


Well, generatively and theoretically Christianity is not about killing but all those tribal cultures made some impact on practical side of things but don't blame religion if anything Orthodoxes and Catholic's do temper bad tendencies.


Most people are incapable of drawing their own conclusions and that is the crux of the matter. They are just suck into new badge bearers circle and they follow, they thing- hey is new and original and so clever (I'm so original and clever)- but in fact there are specific kind of sheep - suckers :)

I-S (sing for me my little bird, sing for me and you'll be free...for a while)

Po polsku / Pomnik ku czci bolszewików? [26]


Syndrom bezgłowego państwa:)

Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]

well, religion is not about killing but about living .....defend I may my way of life !
I don't follow I choose to follow:)

I-S (boyo )

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


scale, premeditation, and soviet state apparatus
on the other hand if we assume than some polish elements did it ......there was criminal or deranged element demoralised by war and a few victims.

I don't feel responsible for that at all.

Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]


I'm realist thought!
I know that most people don't have a need or time or ability to make decisions or think for themselves - they just follow !


oh ! its was just figure of speech :)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


don't be daft ....

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


I don't think the comparison is right, you should know it yourself...

Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]

My point is that most people are sheep!
better obedient sheep then stray one..

I-S (all this sheep, I'm sleepy)

Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]


Most people being Catholic, Protestant or Atheist don't think just fallow whatever the they feel they should.
Cultural cultural diversity is a killer of society unity.

I-S(living the night life ..)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


kiss the ass would be appropriate now...

I-S( well?)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


Pogrom doesn't mean killing, so yes there were pogroms but mostly against property, and the rest I would classified as political conflict, Jews in Poland had their own party's, and they were fighting as well, Poles were killed too.

In 1918 and 1919 were during the war with soviets and Jews rightly or not were seen as Bolsheviks V column.
70 victims in about 20 years is not big number, I would like to check this data, it may take time as I have real life to attend to :)

What I meant was - there was no intent to kill before and wasn't carried out on such a scale(proven even by unchecked above number).


this newspaper is called by people with brains - lying rag!

I-S(The truth cleans your mind,truth refreshes,truth is beauty, beauty is truth.)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


I said nothing like that, and it didn't.

I-S ( books M-G?)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


WHO was Polish ?
Most of the government members were some soviets creatures about whom nobody hear before, anyhow any real Pole taking part in soviet apparatus was traitor, so yes the authorities could be from Mars!

Ask why in the pre-war Poland with so many Jews and tension, nothing like that ever happened ?Maybe because in charge were Polish authorities?eh?

Secondly, timing of that event was nicely set to make Poles look like German accomplices in the eyes of the world.
Next, place - why Kielce not other town left in good state ? Where the independent forces were strongest at the time, where national movement were strong as well ? ?

I-S(to remember the fallen is not to remember how they fell but to remember why and for what)

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why?


to show to Germans - hey we are not Poles and we have no part in your quarrel with them!


Because most of them spoke german dialect as their first language (sometimes it was they only language).


Well, evidently not!

I-S ( still waiting for promised books;just dance away, dance in trance, just dance away the whole damn day)

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quote=Paulina]it's a historic fact, you know?[/quote]
and that differs from the fact - how?


Was she Jewish ?If not I'm afraid that as a witness she would be useless (according to M-G law)

I-S ( well, I don't know enough about it yet, I have some reasonable and sensible doubts about it)

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gee!? don't say !


it appealed more to unskilled workers and lumps also to de-classed nobles and intelligentsia!
Honest hard working people were Church going material


They are talking about 1939 when joint Soviet-Nazi forces attacked Poland, Germans started exterminate Jews in 1941! Also some Jews welcomed German forces in 1939 too!


I'm sure that you were present at the time of the invent and knew some who did it!

I-S (Dance my little puppets, dance for me, dance my little puppets and you shall see!)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


How so? First of all it an Internet and he could be anybody, secondly even if he is polish what he says proof nothing, and particularly proof nothing in regard to Kielce event.


Hey if you are Pole, shut your mug idiot and cut off hysteria !


Hullo there humble guy:D

I-S(War of the worlds,worlds,so many worlds..)

Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]

Who cares?

Po polsku / Pomnik ku czci bolszewików? [26]

Hej panowie ! Jesteście dorośli i jak macie problem to może rozwiążcie go w zaciszu prywatności, takie wyzywanie się na forum nie prowadzi do niczego dobrego.

Jeśli to ma być pomnik to jestem przeciw, bo jak znam Rosjan to zapłaci za to polski podatnik a na dodatek za utrzymanie i konserwacje będzie płacił przez lata, jak im tak zależy to niech ekshumują szczątki i zabiorą do Moskwy, gdzie mogą ich godnie uczcić!

I-S (rzekłem!)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


I fail to see difference during or after, I would think that after the WWII people were more prone to violence.


Well, I understand significance of the Kielce incident for forming image of Poles as being anti-semite in the eyes of the western world.
What I question is the validity of such qualification based on one incident in given circumstances you seems to ignore completely and which I stated before in my previous posts above.

One thing newspapers and public opinion something else historians and professionals.


So, what - Poles or not Poles it make no difference in circumstances I have described.


No, the question is whether or not this incident wasn't orchestrated by Soviet GRU or NKVD, such action, provocation, assassination were done before, during and after WWII - there was nobody better than Soviet secret services.

Who gained from Kielce accident? Soviets!


It actually reminded me some move or book about case in court where false witness were nailed by defence lawyer and the line was more or less - you were wrong about time, place, many details, the order of invents, about what happened but about one and only one fact you are certain from the beginning that it was accused who did it !

Don't take me wrong, I don't say you are false but did you for a moment thought that your view of the Kielce incident could be not quite ....as it really happened?

I mean you are so sure....Why?

I'm waiting for materials you promised!

I-S (Over hill, over dale,Thorough bush, thorough brier,Over park, over pale,Thorough flood, thorough fire, I do wander everywhere.)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


Possibly, let assume for a moment that everything you claim to have happened and the way it happened is true.
Still, it would be a deed committed by individuals Poles, not Polish state, nor independent Poland institutions. So, I fail to see the significance of Kielce as a proof of anti-semitsm, its more likely proof that some demoralised elements of society were capable of committing a crime. Well, the same could be said about every country but no country is judged by its criminals.

What if NL was being judged by its SS Division?

Exactly, who would gain to give Poland such a reputation ?Soviets!
Who was really in charge in Poland? (regardless that individuals Poles,were in soviet ranks)
Who is responsible?
Soviets!
Do you see logical chain of thought here?
One, more thing - Poles in soviet ranks were traitors!
You do not seriously expect me to take responsibility for criminals and traitors?Nor for action of government in Poland in 1946 - soviet tool and puppet !


By all means give me tips for good material, I think that I should gain as much knowledge as I can about Kielce incident.


There's a crisis in the kitchen
But that don't stop you ***********; - you're a bastard troll!

I-S (well)

Po polsku / Pomnik ku czci bolszewików? [26]

Aby upamiętnić wszystkich wrogów, którzy użyźniają Polska ziemie to miejsca by nie starczyło!

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


One more issue thought, for a change try to refer to my arguments and points as I do regarding to your arguments.
You on the other hand mostly concentrate about how I'm stubborn and incurable poor bastard - instead try to argue for a change?

I-S( Then soon with the emblem of truth overflowing,And dripping with reason, He rose from the depth.Where for time too long to remember, Was resting on canopy woven from His dreams.)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


Well, maybe read my post once more? I said let agree to disagree.
You are jumping from one point to the other without order.
As for CC history I'm not that interested, what I know comes from history books not concerted on Church history.


hey! you're doing the same - you say ping I say pong - say something else for a change!


What facts? I do not deny facts I do interpret my way! Why should I read them your way ? Give me a good answer. please!


I never did! Gee! you always accuses me of something I feel like accused sometimes- chill out! see the smiley after communist :) ?????


I Don't understand ! Are we discussing above?


Wouldn't be that a very superficial and general view of things?


Not really but he made few good points there!
I-S (good night! this time I'm going to sleep, I think you didn't read my previous post closely due to late hour, do it tomorrow)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

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Really? Its a news to me, you first deploy torrent of slogans intertwined with few facts interpreted your way and then if somebody do not agree with you, you quickly get angry and annoyed and start sprouting nonsense and insults.

Let's agree to recognize that we have different view of the world and then exchange our arguments and views in peaceful manner.
There no need to overheat thyself, as a judge(we cannot trust our objectivity) I propose Sean S :)

Let the tournament commence !


Your claims to be proved yet!I'll enlighten you - your word is not an definite proof ending all discussion.


You rebuked me for using that word.


its BS for you!


that your opinion to which you are entitled thanks to CC in a way - however I say that you are biased and you cannot see above your bias and prejudices!

Notice that discussing with you I'm not using any religious arguments but only those I can logicically justify.On the other hand you are continuously using slogans and expressions one has to believe in without poof, that you take something for granted it doesn't mean I have to do the same.

To put it simple - your arguments are biased, emotional and demand acceptance of your values- on the other hand my arguments are based on logic and common sense.

Small type of great ones, that do hum
Within this whole world's narrow room,
......................................................Poor Fly, caught in an airy net,:)


I'm missing your point here, Communist ideology exists (you are one example of it:)), Communist country's exists as well (Cuba, Northern Korea), Communists do live still, they are in their 60 and 50ies - nothing vanished!

You perception is crooked I suppose from NL point of view Communists really vanished - I've thought that "historian" should know better!


How so? They could fight but choose to surrender.I fail to see that they were worse off than Poland. The Czechs regained their industry most of the citizens and all their land.

Whereas Poland ....do I have to spell it for you?


Really ? Who's army were in the town, in the country ? Who's was in charge?
I don't know who perpetrated the deed because it was soviets apparatus of terror and soviet propaganda tools - called by the silly little westerners - soviet juridical system, and they called the shots!

They could do anything, and blame anyone they choose!
Someone died! At the time in Poland many people died - some hunted in the woods , some tortured, humiliated and killed in the damp dark dungeons!

You said that Poles cannot do wrong - well Poles can do wrong and many Poles are rare bastards, some killed Jews!(gee?! shock!?,phew!)

However non Polish officer would ever order to kill innocent, unarmed bystanders and absolutely not if there were involved children - its absolutely out of the question!Nor would he stand aside without orders to do so! Who could give such orders?

Is not blindness, is intimate knowledge of Polish culture - and cultural code - you are doing a gross mistake, ignoring that!


About your remarks concerning CC:hahahahahaha....try maybe to read some serious historical stuff instead of rubbish booklets !!
I told you, you choose level of our discussion!
Don't you know about Islamic invasion against Christian Europe - Constantinople, France, Italy! ?Go and read!
Sean
Lock horns ? maybe, but I'm better then that :)
I-S (good night)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


hey! communist had the same opinion like you about religion, that the fact!


Well, who was in charge then? Don't be daft you know that somebody who is in charge is responsible - somehow in the years 1921-1939 something like that never happened and there was about 3mln Jews and a lot of tension - then Poles were in charge!

Kielce - commies were in charge and their were responsible - face it like a man, don't be a *****!


What nasty business ?


But the only country attacked by joined Soviet-Nazi forces, only country being in Allies camp to the last day of the war, the only country who from brother in arms and formal allied power that was reduced to soviet slave with former allies looking other way.


what the **** are you about? Its my own original thought!



I disagree, that has nothing to do with religion but with social tension.


As for the rest I'm familiar with those "arguments", to be honest I'm really disappointed I thought you will do better then that!

Invasion in the name of religion Christian learned from Muslims and after years of abuse, raids and invasions - they let them test their own medicine.

As for abuse of power and all bad things in the Church is only human nature in action - but for one bad thing you could find hundreds good things - for shameful episode in CC history - 10 deed that one could be proud of !!

I-S (enough for today)

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [239]


Who does? I would like to point to you a little fact which seems to have escaped your attention - that very forum is dedicated to Poland.


Its very enigmatic, in response:
1. Number of accusation , slagging and lies, not to mention mockery on this very forum it is unreal, so some people react stronger that would have otherwise.

2. I happened to hear English saying that they made America!


Well, I don't claim it either, but there some Britons on this forum to whom it did happen few times:)