jon357
21 May 2025
News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]
He's centre right.
another leftist kid
He's centre right.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]
Us too. However publishing things intended to influence a jury decision is a no no.
If it's just you or me or uncle Tom Cobbley writing things online, it's not usually a problem. If it's a journalist, a politician, a respected scientist, it can lead to a mistrial or a perp going free.
can comment on anything we damn want.
Us too. However publishing things intended to influence a jury decision is a no no.
If it's just you or me or uncle Tom Cobbley writing things online, it's not usually a problem. If it's a journalist, a politician, a respected scientist, it can lead to a mistrial or a perp going free.
jon357
21 May 2025
Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]
Tough for them. It's hardwired into some of us. Where I'm from, clergy and laity traditionally address each other as "Friend" even if it's the first time of meeting.
I'll take that over the "pochwalony" stuff.
It's fine to do that. If they feel insulted they should maybe they should reflect on whether they serve or panować.
Using 'ty' with a priest is claiming a personal relationship with them
Tough for them. It's hardwired into some of us. Where I'm from, clergy and laity traditionally address each other as "Friend" even if it's the first time of meeting.
I'll take that over the "pochwalony" stuff.
That's exactly what I did in
It's fine to do that. If they feel insulted they should maybe they should reflect on whether they serve or panować.
jon357
21 May 2025
Off-Topic / A "humorous" aside to US 47th President [31]
Is this screenshot real or a hoax?
It's hard to believe it's real however he does say some complete rubbish.
Is this screenshot real or a hoax?
It's hard to believe it's real however he does say some complete rubbish.
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jon357
21 May 2025
News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]
He isn't a half-wit. He's got one of the sharpest minds in Polish politics.
It doesn't mean anything; it is a glib comment which you might like to expand on.
being a half-wit?
He isn't a half-wit. He's got one of the sharpest minds in Polish politics.
It means exactly what it says
It doesn't mean anything; it is a glib comment which you might like to expand on.
jon357
21 May 2025
Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]
If Thee and Thou are good enough for God, they're surely good enough for his staff.
Seems a little.... intrusive
If Thee and Thou are good enough for God, they're surely good enough for his staff.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]
Tell us you know nothing about English and Scottish law without telling us you know nothing about English and Scottish law.
It is strictly illegal to publish speculation about guilt or innocence before or during a jury trial or to make comments that could potentially affect a juror's decision. This includes speaking on TV, online and in print. After the jury have reached a verdict it's fine.
In the very rare cases that a politician or other public figure has done this, the trials have been abandoned at great cost and the person who commented has been prosecuted.
See above. This is taken very seriously.
Yes. She was the wife of a local politician and directly encouraged locals to burn down hostels containing families with children. They tried to do this and set fire to fire escapes. She tried to claim in her defence that she was mentally ill and didn't understand what she was saying.
And of course the perpetrator was not an asylum seeker anyway. He was born in Cardiff.
If you're interested, the appeal judge's decision refusing her appeal was published yesterday on Bailli. It should be findable. I'll not post a link since Bailli is fiddly to use.
BS. A judge can impose
Tell us you know nothing about English and Scottish law without telling us you know nothing about English and Scottish law.
It is strictly illegal to publish speculation about guilt or innocence before or during a jury trial or to make comments that could potentially affect a juror's decision. This includes speaking on TV, online and in print. After the jury have reached a verdict it's fine.
In the very rare cases that a politician or other public figure has done this, the trials have been abandoned at great cost and the person who commented has been prosecuted.
It's illegal to state facts before a jury trial?
See above. This is taken very seriously.
Was she? Really? Do you really believe that?
Yes. She was the wife of a local politician and directly encouraged locals to burn down hostels containing families with children. They tried to do this and set fire to fire escapes. She tried to claim in her defence that she was mentally ill and didn't understand what she was saying.
And of course the perpetrator was not an asylum seeker anyway. He was born in Cardiff.
If you're interested, the appeal judge's decision refusing her appeal was published yesterday on Bailli. It should be findable. I'll not post a link since Bailli is fiddly to use.
jon357
21 May 2025
Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [396]
It's a good one. Same as Gordon's (same company) but a few more ingredients.
To be gin, they usually add juniper berries, lemon peel and something called orris root while distilling it. Some add more juniper after like a nalewka (juniper has a strong taste but isn't absorbed easily). The cheapest are just a nalewka.
If it doesn't taste of juniper anemometers is flavoured with raspberries or liquorice or basil, is it really gin.
Fashionable now, but we've been drinking it at home since long before it was, when it was still a drink for bourgeois elderly.
Also nice, however if it's got tonic, I e and lemon, there's not much difference between one that costs 150zl and one that costs 40zl.
If you want it fancy, pop a few allspice (ziele angielskie) in the bottle when you buy it. The flavour takes very quickly and it tastes of Christmas.
Tanqueray
It's a good one. Same as Gordon's (same company) but a few more ingredients.
To be gin, they usually add juniper berries, lemon peel and something called orris root while distilling it. Some add more juniper after like a nalewka (juniper has a strong taste but isn't absorbed easily). The cheapest are just a nalewka.
If it doesn't taste of juniper anemometers is flavoured with raspberries or liquorice or basil, is it really gin.
Fashionable now, but we've been drinking it at home since long before it was, when it was still a drink for bourgeois elderly.
she is normally using Bombay Sapphire
Also nice, however if it's got tonic, I e and lemon, there's not much difference between one that costs 150zl and one that costs 40zl.
If you want it fancy, pop a few allspice (ziele angielskie) in the bottle when you buy it. The flavour takes very quickly and it tastes of Christmas.
jon357
21 May 2025
Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]
A long time ago in very formal situations, like expensive shops. The police used to say Sir and Madam but not I think nowadays. At school, it was always Sir and Miss.
In expensive old-fashioned clothes shops, they used to use the "Sir/Madam is", "would Sir like" exactly as it is in Polish. This may be due to tailors and seamstresses many years ago being of the Jewish faith and from Poland.
I've only ever said it at school, and as an employee of an army somewhere when with my direct boss, a General (but only in formal situations) and when speaking with the country's President. As a civilian there's no obligation to however it seemed right at the time.
In PL, only Pan/Pani to older people that I don't know and don't enjoy being addressed like that.
My neighbour is always shocked when I address the local
Priest as "Ty". That won't change; in the region where I come from we traditionally address clergy as "friend" and that will have to do.
Related: https://polishforums.com/archives/2010-2019/language/poland-pan-people-address-57168/
Regarding the words "Pan" and "Pani" - I believe they use the words "Sir" and "Ma'am" in the UK all the time
A long time ago in very formal situations, like expensive shops. The police used to say Sir and Madam but not I think nowadays. At school, it was always Sir and Miss.
In expensive old-fashioned clothes shops, they used to use the "Sir/Madam is", "would Sir like" exactly as it is in Polish. This may be due to tailors and seamstresses many years ago being of the Jewish faith and from Poland.
I've only ever said it at school, and as an employee of an army somewhere when with my direct boss, a General (but only in formal situations) and when speaking with the country's President. As a civilian there's no obligation to however it seemed right at the time.
In PL, only Pan/Pani to older people that I don't know and don't enjoy being addressed like that.
My neighbour is always shocked when I address the local
Priest as "Ty". That won't change; in the region where I come from we traditionally address clergy as "friend" and that will have to do.
Related: https://polishforums.com/archives/2010-2019/language/poland-pan-people-address-57168/
jon357
21 May 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1301]
Manchester? A nice city. Have you spent much time there?
You'd like Chetham's and also the general atmosphere in Didabury village. Expensive though.
That name 'Paul Joseph Watson' rings a bell. Isn't he a far-right YouTuber notorious for fake news? Something to do with that Yank, Alex Jones who pretended that murdered children were 'crisis actors' and got his arse sued off by grieving parents.
Manchester? A nice city. Have you spent much time there?
You'd like Chetham's and also the general atmosphere in Didabury village. Expensive though.
That name 'Paul Joseph Watson' rings a bell. Isn't he a far-right YouTuber notorious for fake news? Something to do with that Yank, Alex Jones who pretended that murdered children were 'crisis actors' and got his arse sued off by grieving parents.
jon357
21 May 2025
Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [396]
Gordon's or Beefeater are both fine, as is Lubuskie.
I sometimes get Mason's Yorkshire gin at duty free but mainly for the bottle which tops up nicely with Lubiskie.
It really is just plain spirit rectified with a few herbs.
Gordon's or Beefeater are both fine, as is Lubuskie.
I sometimes get Mason's Yorkshire gin at duty free but mainly for the bottle which tops up nicely with Lubiskie.
It really is just plain spirit rectified with a few herbs.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1301]
Really? It never has with us, and we invented it.
You really aren't.
Now run along. Haven't you got an investor and some financiers to enrich by your labour?
Yeah....maybe because that's where socialism always ends
Really? It never has with us, and we invented it.
that's where we are now
You really aren't.
Now run along. Haven't you got an investor and some financiers to enrich by your labour?
jon357
21 May 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1301]
You're making a common mistake of central and Eastern Europeans. Absolutism.
I did. Via free compulsory education, a Socialist creation opposed by conservatives at the time and also via a first degree at one of the finest and best known universities in the world followed by a teaching diploma and a masters degree. All free (in fact they paid me), something which would not have happened under unrestrained capitalism.
I've also never paid a penny to a doctor, dentist or hospital. Or had to worry about what happens if I became too ill to work.
But hey, you're obviously cool about a guy you don't know and who would never let you in their home making more money out of your job than you are.
there never was one, and there never will be!
You're making a common mistake of central and Eastern Europeans. Absolutism.
Why do you never learn???
I did. Via free compulsory education, a Socialist creation opposed by conservatives at the time and also via a first degree at one of the finest and best known universities in the world followed by a teaching diploma and a masters degree. All free (in fact they paid me), something which would not have happened under unrestrained capitalism.
I've also never paid a penny to a doctor, dentist or hospital. Or had to worry about what happens if I became too ill to work.
But hey, you're obviously cool about a guy you don't know and who would never let you in their home making more money out of your job than you are.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1301]
Nope; it's closer to a Socialist paradise.
Remember, capitalism can exist in a mixed economy where Socialism holds sway. The key thing is that capitalists can't just do what they want since the people own the means of production and call the shots.
Most of ours fled third world countries with unrestrained capitalism.
Britain is far away from a socialist nightmare
Nope; it's closer to a Socialist paradise.
Remember, capitalism can exist in a mixed economy where Socialism holds sway. The key thing is that capitalists can't just do what they want since the people own the means of production and call the shots.
immigrants....people soon try to run away from socialist rule, never towards to....
Most of ours fled third world countries with unrestrained capitalism.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]
Or perhaps less stupid than most men.
women are stupid.
Or perhaps less stupid than most men.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]
Worth a look
Worth a look
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jon357
21 May 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1301]
Ours hasn't.
?????????
Oddly enough, none of the societies in Europe that are shaped by Socialism do that.
Don't confuse Socialism with distortions by central and eastern European gangsters. Just be happy that you don't have to pay money when you're ill, that you'll get benefits if you have to stop working and that your Trade Union (us uncouth Socialists) stopped you having to work 14 hour days.
A socialist society always degenerates into a third world economy
Ours hasn't.
no public sector at all
?????????
and the 95% of the common people has to stand in line for the daily bread and milk
Oddly enough, none of the societies in Europe that are shaped by Socialism do that.
Don't confuse Socialism with distortions by central and eastern European gangsters. Just be happy that you don't have to pay money when you're ill, that you'll get benefits if you have to stop working and that your Trade Union (us uncouth Socialists) stopped you having to work 14 hour days.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1301]
We're doing it and our government is centre left.
If you get the benefit of most of your labour, you'd be right. If some investor you've never met makes more from your labour than you do, you're wrong..
Even those of us in the top 5 or 10% of salaries and in the public sector can't always say that.
Unable or unwilling, that is)
We're doing it and our government is centre left.
very not-working
If you get the benefit of most of your labour, you'd be right. If some investor you've never met makes more from your labour than you do, you're wrong..
Even those of us in the top 5 or 10% of salaries and in the public sector can't always say that.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1301]
The importance is to act and to do it in a way that nationalists hate but the public are OK with.
Very wise and very true, unless the workers of your country get more money from their job than the investors they sell their labour to.
How often can you warn till that warning loses its effect?
The importance is to act and to do it in a way that nationalists hate but the public are OK with.
the GDR people had been warned for decades of the dangers of capitalism
Very wise and very true, unless the workers of your country get more money from their job than the investors they sell their labour to.
jon357
21 May 2025
Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [580]
Why favour one over the other?
This sincere true. For years the U.K. commentator used to take the **** out of the unsophisticated foreign entries. The EBU hated that. Now they've upped their game a bit, though there's still plenty from the balkans to laugh at.
Northern Cyprus?
Why favour one over the other?
has changed entirely over the last few years
This sincere true. For years the U.K. commentator used to take the **** out of the unsophisticated foreign entries. The EBU hated that. Now they've upped their game a bit, though there's still plenty from the balkans to laugh at.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]
So no lie at all then
The PM has been clear that he was aware of that turd's links. He does however have to follow the law as we all do and, as you know, it is illegal to make public statements that may affect the outcome of a jury trial.
She was urging a mob to attack unarmed people. That is a crime.
starmer
So no lie at all then
The PM has been clear that he was aware of that turd's links. He does however have to follow the law as we all do and, as you know, it is illegal to make public statements that may affect the outcome of a jury trial.
A single post that was quickly deleted caused the riot
She was urging a mob to attack unarmed people. That is a crime.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1301]
Crikey! Are you reading my posts in a secret group for Labour politicians and activists? I posted that quote there two days ago.
Frum is szmata jeden however that quote is a good warning about how important it is to be ahead of public opinion on some issues and behind it in others.
Plus, a warning about the dangers of fascism, national alias, populism.
Quite deliberately. One party was and the other is good at PR and of course people are often easily led.
This....and then that:
... As the writer David Frum put it
... As the writer David Frum put it
Crikey! Are you reading my posts in a secret group for Labour politicians and activists? I posted that quote there two days ago.
Frum is szmata jeden however that quote is a good warning about how important it is to be ahead of public opinion on some issues and behind it in others.
Plus, a warning about the dangers of fascism, national alias, populism.
It echoes Nazi messaging.
Quite deliberately. One party was and the other is good at PR and of course people are often easily led.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]
The law. It's one of the fairest legal systems in the world and she broke that law.
Whipping up a riot.
Sad to see you reading crap from racists on social media.
What lie?
How does that make sense?
The law. It's one of the fairest legal systems in the world and she broke that law.
getting more prison time than those actually rioting
Whipping up a riot.
Sad to see you reading crap from racists on social media.
about Southport
What lie?
jon357
21 May 2025
News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]
Remember, we're generally very tolerant.
If someone goes on social media and rites "let's form a mob tonight and burn down a building/kill a person", they will get in trouble; same across the Atlantic and rightly so. The woman, however, who filmed herself on the day the Queen died opening champagne and shouting "good riddance to Lizzie", while standing in the street near Balmoral Castle and put it on youtube was chased out of town by an angry crowd however she was driven to safety by the police and not prosecuted.
a person filming themselves throwing
Remember, we're generally very tolerant.
If someone goes on social media and rites "let's form a mob tonight and burn down a building/kill a person", they will get in trouble; same across the Atlantic and rightly so. The woman, however, who filmed herself on the day the Queen died opening champagne and shouting "good riddance to Lizzie", while standing in the street near Balmoral Castle and put it on youtube was chased out of town by an angry crowd however she was driven to safety by the police and not prosecuted.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]
Who would do that and why?
The law deals with things that actually happen,
So, a person filming themselves
Who would do that and why?
The law deals with things that actually happen,
jon357
21 May 2025
Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [580]
It is. Same for Czechs and Bulgarians.
Ireland and UK too, since we've traditionally been the largest minority in each other's country. The Scandis all vote for each other as well, as do Greece and South Cyprus.
We always used to get votes from Netherlands and Belgium since for decades they've watched our TV for free and some of the culture has rubbed off on them.
Or its the Poles in Britain voting more probably....
It is. Same for Czechs and Bulgarians.
Ireland and UK too, since we've traditionally been the largest minority in each other's country. The Scandis all vote for each other as well, as do Greece and South Cyprus.
We always used to get votes from Netherlands and Belgium since for decades they've watched our TV for free and some of the culture has rubbed off on them.
jon357
21 May 2025
Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [396]
When I first came to PL years ago, I was surprised to see Tennant's Super in some shops, the stuff in the purple tin that many who drink it hide inside paper bags.
Lubuski is fine.
God save us from 'craft gins' that don't even taste of juniper. Anyway, it always has tonic, ice and lemon, sometimes a dash of angostura, in it. At least you can get slimline tonic in PL nowadays.
it's 12% (yes, twelve percent) and 3.99 for 500ml. Not a recreational drug.
When I first came to PL years ago, I was surprised to see Tennant's Super in some shops, the stuff in the purple tin that many who drink it hide inside paper bags.
Well, if one takes the approach that all liquids are drinkable once, you're completely right.
Lubuski is fine.
God save us from 'craft gins' that don't even taste of juniper. Anyway, it always has tonic, ice and lemon, sometimes a dash of angostura, in it. At least you can get slimline tonic in PL nowadays.
jon357
21 May 2025
News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]
But who would deliver the book to you?
For the record, burning books isn't illegal in most of the UK (NI is an exception due to religious conflict), however anyone starting fires in public would probably face other charges.
I will exchange
But who would deliver the book to you?
For the record, burning books isn't illegal in most of the UK (NI is an exception due to religious conflict), however anyone starting fires in public would probably face other charges.
jon357
21 May 2025
Off-Topic / Random Chat Thread [453]
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jon357
21 May 2025
News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [528]
So many have sadly closed over the past few years.
Cancel that library tour of the UK....
So many have sadly closed over the past few years.