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Poland is the new military power of Europe. [275]
at the moment Poland is not a strong military power
Not as strong as it plans to be. Yet Poland is a military power. It seems odd that anyone wouldn't want Poland to be an independent sovereign state with their own army.
obsessed with The EU and very frightened of something rocking their "EU Boat
Not completely but yes partly. I don't want to repeat rhetoric from the disgusting farage however I'll refer to something he said and to a famous quote from Charles de Gaulle.
farage used to refer to the EU as the Fourth Reich. That's a very loaded term since the German people during the Third Reich committed the greatest crime the human race has ever seen however let's unpick the Reiches and the numbers. The First Reich was the HRE, basically the individual German states under one umbrella and some states elsewhere plus whatever influence/pressure/blackmail/terror they could inflict on states around them. It all sounds very 'game of thrones' and indeed was, although it lasted until the nineteenth century when Napoleon ended it. A utopia it was not, certainly.not for Poland who was partly occupied by them.
The Second Reich was the German Empire under the Prussians from the 1870s. They invaded France twice, occupied Poland and unleashed WWI. It continued until they were humiliatingly defeated by Britain, the US and others in 1918. The Third Reich (the only to be democratically elected by Germans, whose unparalleled evil is a stain on humanity and on those who collaborated with it, is something so unforgettable that nobody needs me to remind them of the Dirlewanger Brigades, the Einsatzgruppen, the Wolf Massacre and the reason Warsaw contains mostly post war buildings and why few Varsovians have any pre-war connections to the city. Poland remembers well what happened. There are however those who want to see another attempt at a United Europe, a Fourth Reich.
They don't mean a Europe of independent sovereign states with access to markets etc. They mean a superstate. A poster in this thread has even suggested that the EU has the characteristics of a country with a capital etc.. in countries (you won't notice this so much, Milo, as a Londoner however I do as someone from the industrial conurbation of South Yorkshire, one of the poorest regions in Western Europe) wealth tends to flow towards the centre. The sheer amount of industry and business around Europe which is under the ownership of French and German companies is huge. There aren't many Polish multinationals in Europe, are there? Did you notice the outrage when I suggested Poland should manufacture armaments and own production facilities elsewhere on the continent.
Lots of waffle here but I'll try to be quick. De Gaulle, the father of the EU made a much quoted and famous saying "Europe is France and Germany. All the rest are just decoration".
That is what this is all about.
And there's no reason that Poland shouldn't have a string, maybe the strongest, army in Europe, under Poland's command and free to operate as they wish rather than by a Brussels which is dominated by two states. A poster was dodging the question about how much of a countries army should be under his 'Euroarmy, and how much shouldn't. He finally tacitly admitted that he meant all of that countries army. If that happened and, say, Poland wanted to use their army, it wouldn't be possible without the EU's say so, since it would be under the control of Brussels not Warsaw.
The dangers are obvious.
Are you saying Brexit was a success
Given that the Eurozone is in recession and is likely to be for some time and that Britain isn't (despite Macron/Merkel's failed attempt to pcon ince businesses to relocate out of the EU) I'd say it's well on the way to that.
Remember one of the reasons for brexit was that France and Germany wanted to move the massively lucrative and prestigious London Financial Markets to Frankfurt and Paris. They even tried a hostile takeover of the LSE and were outraged when it failed. Meanwhile they block takeovers of their own businesses by other companies in Europe. Micron, while happily assisting French companies to buy other European countries, infrastructure, even blocked the sale of a yoghurt business on the grounds of 'national security'.
With friends like those, strong armies are needed.
