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Miscarriages should not automatically be investigated by the police. Unless, of course, there is clear and compelling evidence of wrongdoing or deliberate action to induce the miscarriage (such as self-administering an abortion drug).

Routine policing of natural miscarriages would require too many police resources which are already quite stretched, and it would also be unjust, intrusive and lacking compassion for women who suffer deeply when they lose children through miscarriage.

So, not automatically but only when there is clear evidence of wrongdoing.


A human being or an animal? Make up your mind, half-wit.

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So, you would let hatred get the better of you. By killing the baby you would add murder to the rape. Two crimes instead of one. Congratulations.


The Catholic tradition does not hold that all taking of life is morally equivalent. The moral distinction lies between:

- innocent human life, which is always inviolable;

- guilty human life, which under certain grave circumstances may be forfeited.

This distinction is rooted in Scripture, the natural moral law, and centuries of Church teaching. The unborn child is completely innocent. Abortion is the direct, intentional killing of innocent life, and this is always gravely immoral.


You're right. I was being unfair to Strzelec - he's sick and depraved but at least he doesn't want to murder children.

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You should have kept quiet when you had the chance, idiot.


Yes you do. You talk about "actual teachings of Christ" while all the time arguing for the murdering of babies. Ridiculous.

Sorry, but I don't feel like talking to such a depraved, disgusting and thoroughly morally corrupt person like you. For me you are now on a level par with Strzelec, and I'm putting you on ignore.

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... dare to talk about to justify murdering innocent children in their mother's wombs. They use Christ, who said "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them" and who said "Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me", to justify their disgusting murderous instincts.

What unspeakable evil! 🤮

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What a coincidence - my thoughts about you are exactly the same!


The traditional Roman Catholic interpretation of the fragment in question, whether you like it or not, is that state/civil rulers have legitimate authority to execute justice, even by capital punishment.


There we go again... *yaaaawn*


Spare us your sick fantasies - no one wants to hear the filth that crawls out of your evil mind, you disgusting person. 🤮🤮🤮

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... influenced by the people I mentioned. He wasn't alone though - most of bishops worldwide adopted the post-modernist position on capital punishment, contrary to almost 2000 years of Church tradition.


... you follow almost 2000 years of traditional Church's teachings and the Bible (which I quoted in #251).

On the other hand, Paulina, if you are against the death penalty, then you choose to follow modernist teachings from the second half of 20th century and disregard what the Church had taught for almost two millenia.

Hmm... what should people choose: 2000 years of tradition or several decades of modernist nonsense? *rolls eyes*


Same here. I really can't stand those heartless people who are willing to murder an unborn child for the crime of its father, to avoid its mother's trauma, or because it is not wanted. Horrible, cruel people. :(

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It appears that you continue to deny the ontological and moral status of the unborn as members of the human family, and stubbornly maintain a position that excludes the conceived child from the category of personhood or human identity.

Ah, well... I hope you will enjoy the lake of fire and the eternity of being sodomized by horny demons. Who knows, maybe with time you will even learn to enjoy it. Fingers crossed.

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Such statements never cease to amuse me.

Communists did not see confiscation of people's wealth as theft, and yet that is exactly what it was. Nazis did not see liquidating Jews as murder of human beings, and yet that is exactly what it was.

The way people like you see conceived children, living in the mothers' wombs, is not unlike Nazis saw the Jews - a sort of Untermenschen that we should be allowed to murder freely for our own well-being or whatever other reason.

Unfortunately, for you, murder is still murder and hell is still hell--the place where murderers will end up, regardless of their personal opinions or feelings ... (unless they confess their sins and genuinely repent).



LOL xD

@mafketis @Feniks

I really like you, people. :) You're slightly retarded but quite likeable too and I wouldn't like to see you engulfed by infernal flames for eternity. Therefore, take my advice: confess your sins, repent, stop talking nonsense and start defending the lives of children, whether they are 1-day-old and still in their mother's womb or 7-year-old and at primary school. Murdering children is wrong regardless of their age.

And I am truly terrified that I have to explain this to people.

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And this is, of course, not the point. The question is not whether the life of a rapist or a murdered is worth more or less than the life of an innocent child. The question is whether civil rulers can administer capital punishment on the wrongdoer, according to state law. As we can see above, the biblical position is clear - yes, they can.

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The law-givers have full right to administer death penalty. It says in the Bible about the authorities in power: "if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer" (Romans 13:4). St. Paul affirms the legitimate authority of state/civil rulers to execute justice, even by capital punishment, and in traditional Catholicism the death penalty has historically been considered morally permissible in principle.

Of course, after the lamentable Vaticanum Secundum (which, luckily, was a pastoral not a dogmatic council, so I am not obligated to believe any of its commie/mason nonsense) the Church made a mistake of allowing itself to be infuenced by masons, protestants, leftards and other retards, and shifted its position to anti death penalty. Thank God, most conservatists (aka sane people) in Poland support death penalty and rightly so. We hope and pray that our Mother Church will one day abandon its modernist ways and go back to conservatist, traditional teaching on capital punishment.

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Hey, if Paulina can argue from some "Rabbinical Assembly Committee", then I can argue from the Bible. :)

You're right - religion is not necessary in this argument. Common, ordinary human decency should be enough.

But Ron has a very good point there - every morality and every moral law must have its source in God (or at least in something outside itself) or it is ultimately worthless.

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I know - the Bible speaks about such people: "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" (Ps 53).


It also doesn't prohibit using 155mm artillery ammunition to shell civilian buildings nor the use of atomic weapons. It does, however, prohibit murder.


... and - although it may shock you - it isn't the only thing that rabbinic Judaism gets wrong. :)

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Anyways, I can see that arguing with people who think that crime of the father justifies murdering the baby, or that the mother's psychological well-being or feelings (or questions that she may be asked!) also justify the murder of the child, makes no sense at all. They are so brainwashed by the hedonistic civilisation of death that logic, common sense and ordinary human decency is totally wasted on them.

The only consolation is that most of them don't have children, so sooner or later they will all collect their well deserved Darwin Awards by dying childless and not passing on their anti-values to the next generation. How wise is our God! :)

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Oh... it MIGHT ... IF...

Yes, this 'might' and 'if' convinced me - the child should be murdered.


Oh, yes... FEELINGS... QUESTIONS...

Yes, these 'feelings' and 'questions' convinced me - the child should be murdered.

Do you even think before you write or do you just type whatever words happen to form in your brain at a given moment? FFS...


Yes, those couples are willing to adopt even children conceived (not made, you half-wit) in a rape, and it's not a disability.

You people are not normal. Something is wrong with your hearts and souls... something very wrong.


Exactly.

It's definitely not easy to recover from the trauma of being raped but it takes a special kind of idiocy to try and "solve" the problem by adding another trauma of murdering your own child on top of it. Mind boggles.

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I believe in genetics, I just don't think that a murder of a child is justified because someone draws a conclusion that it will grow up to be a rapist or a murderer because of its father's genes (raging nonsense).


With long time in prison for the first crime and with a death sentence for another - surely you can read and I already wrote it.


What about first two years? What about first two decades? It is not for a human to decide when another human's life starts and when he/she can be murdered.


Of course they should be prosecuted. Abortion providers with full force of the law, and in case of the raped woman her pain and trauma should be considered mitigating circumstances but there should be a trial for murder nonetheless.


Aaah, so here we are. I thought I was talking to a woman named Paulina but apparently I am talking to God Almighty who can decide whether somebody is or isn't a human being.


It's not about religion. Novichok isn't especially religious, is he? And still he is of the same opinion. You are either for life or for death, victory of love or victory of hatred, sacrifice or selfishness. It's about being a human being, not a walking alimentary tract.


Oh, yes - so let's kill them. For crying out loud... :-/


There are many couples waiting for the opportunity to adopt a child (especially a newborn or a toddler). Imagine how they feel hearing of the abortion tourism and women travelling to neighbouring countries to kill their children instead of giving them for adoption.

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As a matter of fact I did. My wife is a good Christian and she is of the same opinion.


Having a child is not against a well-being of a woman. It can even bring her unspeakable joy.

Provided you don't murder it.


Then let such woman give the child for adoption. The baby will bring the couple who waited for such opportunity much happiness in life.

Provided you don't murder it.


Quite possible. That's why children need good nurture to properly utilise their natural inclinations. Such child can grow up to be a great soldier, police officer or a boxing olympic champion.

Provided you don't murder it.

You see, that's what it all boils down to: you don't murder innocent children...

- not for their fathers' crimes,
- not because they might cause someone a trauma,
- not because they are unwanted by their biological mothers

... not for any reason in fact.

You just don't murder children.

It is terrifying that one even has to say such thing.

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But the woman's life is not in danger. What are you talking about?


Yes, I would, I am not a child murderer, and I would raise it to be a good man/woman.

I might feel tempted to murder the rapist, but not the child. Who do you take me for? A bloodthirsty beast who would murder an innocent child for something that its father did?


Surely you can see that it's illogical.


Don't be such a nazi! It is mostly nurture not nature that makes a human being. I know great and honest people whose fathers were criminals. Stop this Waffen-SS "faulty genes" talk, Paulina.


That's a very sexist thing to say. Tsk-tsk...

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Erm... let me get this straight: person A is a victim of person B, therefore it is a legitimate reason to kill person C? Is that what you're saying?

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Or keep it. It is, after all, also her baby - unwanted, yes, but her baby nonetheless.


That would be my stance if it happened to my daughter. We are not murderers - neither my daughter nor me.


Erm... it is a legitimate reason to murder a baby because its father is a rapist? WTF? What about fathers who kill people in car accidents or fathers who don't fill their tax declarations - should their children be held responsible for their crimes too? Or is rape the only crime of a father for which the child should pay (with its life!). The mental retardation that the abandoning of Christian faith and the civilisation of death causes is terrifying.

EDIT:

Of course, rapists should be punished very severely. Long term prison sentences for the first crime, and then the death penalty but for the rapist not for the child!

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The only Catholic Church in Gaza...



... my sympathies are now 50-50 in this conflict.

And the IDF says it was by mistake... it was hit by tank fire - how the f*ck do you hit a building with a huge cross in front of it and a cross on the roof by mistake. Are IDF tank crews blind? Mistake my arse...

50-50 - I'm not taking sides any longer in inner-semite conflicts. Let Arab semites and Jewish semites settle their inter-semitic conflicts themselves.

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We have such law in Poland... and one of the lowest birthrates in Europe.

I have a better idea: decrease obligatory employer's ZUS/health service contribution by 30% for the first child of an employee, 60% for the second, and 100% for the third. It would mean that people with children will be much more attractive on the job market and will have more stable jobs.

Introduce generous child benefits and tax reliefs for parents. Stop persuading childless parasites to have children - they should be allowed to discontinue their retarded genes - just tax them more and work on those who already have children, so they decide to have more of them.

Another benefit of such system would be that it might force the childless to take their stench of death with them and emigrate. This way the society would consist almost exclusively of people who have children (the more the better).

Also, in popular culture, mass media, and higher culture pro-natalist attitudes have to be promoted and presented in best possible light.

If we apply all this, then Satan - with his hedonistic, retarded culture of death - will run away with his tail between his legs. So help us God.

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Yesss! Thank you :)

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@Bobko

... all just a political-fiction anyway. First, all those countries (maybe with exception of -stans) would have to figure out how to stop the demographic collapse.

Oh, BTW - when will the next chapter of "Państwo" be released? Readers are waiting eagerly for the continuation!

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... and dying out at record speed; went down from over 9 million to 6.2 million in 30 years.

But brave and their girls are nice. Let's take them.


Poor man's France, but economically quite successful in recent years. Let's take them.


Good point. Let's take them.

Who else... Finns (brave and ingenious), Yugos (or Crow will hate us), Greeks perhaps?

Plus North Koreans, Mongolians, all the Something-stans, Armenia, Azerbadijan, Georgia. Hmm... it indeed sounds like Warsaw Pact on steroids. :)

... and if we managed to include Turkey, we would really start looking seriously scary!

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... and Ukrainian cruelty. We would be scary. China would have to stock up on diapers.

For practical reasons we would have to include Czechs and Slovaks too, so add Slovak treachery and Czech sense of humour to that list.

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*a sigh of relief*


Yes...

Nie grają im surmy, nie huczy im róg
A śmierć im pod stopy się miota
Lecz w pierwszym szeregu podąża na bój
Piechota, ta szara piechota.

... fair play to infantrymen.

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What about estimated anti-aircraft defense losses on both sides?

I'm asking for a friend.

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You're right, it was a thought-shortcut.

Thanks for all the info - it's difficult to find reliable data in all the omnipresent propaganda.

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No, we're not. We have record-low unemployment despite all the Ukrainians here.


The most battle-hardened soldiers are already dead after 3 years of the war of attrition. Every month they are replaced by new conscripts of ever declining quality.


Russia doesn't care how they view her. Without NATO protection Germany would be vulnerable. AfD wouldn't risk that.

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How would that be in Poland's interest... let's see...


Poland is in the state of demographic collapse; millions of white, Slavic Christians would be a blessing.


Poland's border with Ukraine is shorter than our border with Slovakia, so it wouldn't extend the border that much. Besides, neo-banderist Ukraine where Waffen-SS units and UPA genocide perpetrators are still celebrated as heroes is not necessarily a friendly country. The collapse of Ukraine, or more likely the creation of a smaller and weaker Ukraine, would not necessarily be bad for Poland.


As far as I know there have been some voices of criticism of NATO from AfD politicians but, as a national party, it has not adopted a formal policy of leaving NATO and I don't think they ever will (Russia is too unpredictable, as we have seen, for them to risk such move).

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It's easier for Russians - you are not seen as a threat to them. If Poland had the largest territory and the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, it would also be easier to be friendly with Germany for us.

As it is, your economic and political advantage are still seen as a threat. Not to mention that you commemorated everyone and their grandmother who suffered from the German hands in WW2, but Polish victims of the war still haven't been properly commemorated by Germany, 80 years after the war ended.

Also, German society is mostly modern and liberal whilst Poles are conservatives and more religious. Not many common platforms of understanding there.