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Torq   
14 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

Have you read it?

Of course I read it. I'm a Dmowski buff :) As I said some of the things he wrote there could be considered anti-semitic: alleged pro-German stance of Polish Jews, his opinion on assimilated Polish Jews being "trashy Poles" ("Polacy tandetni") or accusation of trying to be the ruling nation ("występowanie w roli narodowości panującej"). He also claimed that it's impossible to be a Jew and a Pole at the same time and that Jews should decide to be either one or the other...

... which was a bit weird, as we had minorities who kept their culture, customs and religion (e.g. Tatars) and were loyal citizens of Poland. However, as I already wrote in my reply to Lyzko, he was definitely not an anti-semite in a common understanding of this word in the light of WW2 (besides, Dmowski died before the war started).
Torq   
14 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

"Kwestia Zydowska"

I have no comment on that other than even great statesmen can sometimes be wrong on certain issues.

In private life, however, Dmowski showed no anti-semitic inclinations. On the contrary, Mieczysław Sobczak, in his book about National Democracy's attitude towards Jews (Wrocław, 2007), writes about Dmowski's help in financing education of a poor Jewish child. Also, in the book that you mention, Dmowski acknowledges the poverty of small town Jews, and says that their grievances are justified. So, although some of his views could be considered anti-semitic, he was definitely not a zoological anti-semite in a nazi style.
Torq   
14 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

Northen Euopen Agreemnt, around the Baltic Sea

Sounds like a much less ambitious project in its scope. What would be the point of it, and isn't it already happening within the EU/NATO?
Torq   
14 Jan 2024
History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

PF is not a Cultural Forum

To some extent it certainly is, and - anyways - it should be our aim to educate, shouldn't it? :)
Torq   
14 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

I would have lumped all Slavic states with exception of Poland and Russia.

Grunni, Grunni, Grunni... *sighs a warm, magnanimous, Slavic sigh*

... you must realise that with such ideas you are bound to quickly become Comrade Yezhov of Interoceanium and all the photos that may exist with you and me or Bobko on them, will be photoshopped ruthlessly.
Torq   
14 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

Intermarium - Stage Three

Member states: as many as necessary and decided upon
Population: ~360 million (subject to change upwards, depending on circumstances)
Area: ~24 million sq km (subject to change upwards, depending on circumstances)

With the completion of Intermarium Stage Three unification, all the Slavic nations will be included in the alliance. For practical, moral or geopolitical reasons some non-Slavic, but otherwise brotherly, countries will be allowed to join.

The vast spaces of Russia will be better organised and its vast resources will finally serve all the children of Slavia and some non-Slavic, but brotherly, nations. A mere look at the map and a short investigation of Intermarium's (which might then change its name to Interoceanium) strength and potential will cause the increased demand for washing detergent all over the world. However, after a short increased output of washing detergent production, the world will realise that Interoceanium is a kind-hearted and benevolent empire and will start wondering how on earth they didn't love us right away in the first place.

THE END

Of course, what I have presented here is not set in stone; the details can be reflected upon, discussed, thought about, negotiated, mulled over and modified a bit, but the general outline of the final unification of Slavic people (and other brotherly ones) in peace and harmony with the entire world is ready to be applied.

Disclaimer: I waive any claims to authorial rights and don't expect any monetary remuneration. I shall be quite content with a short chapter in history books and a modest monument here and there - I was thinking Warsaw, Belgrade, Prague, Moscow, Vladivostok (for a start).
Torq   
14 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

Intermarium - Stage Two

Member states: 18
Population: ~170 million
Area: ~ 2.1 million sq km

After the stage one of Intermarium comes to an end, with the alliance becoming internally cohesive and with a strong military and nuclear deterrent force, it will be the time to welcome two more Slavic nations into its motherly womb. By that time, the world will acknowledge the existence of a new superpower and will learn to take its interests into account and respect them (otherwise, a certain amount of SE-SF-KB will have to be applied when needed).

Intermarium Stage Two will become a powerhouse in science, farming and industry, and a strong arm to lean on for both our eastern and western friends and neighbours. It will be later known as the Silver Age of the alliance, with the Golden Age still to come.

America, drowning in internal problems with fentanyl-zombies, Mexicans flowing in through the border, unemployment, lack of sensible health service, inflation, crime etc. will withdraw from Europe, going into isolation and leaving the European safety in the capable hands of Intermarium leaders. Germany's industrial base will be reorganised to best fit the needs of Intermarium, and countries like France, Italy and Spain will continue their mundane existence as open air museums and tourist magnets.

Russia, with their ever-declining population, decaying nuclear arsenal, and economic hardship will be - more than ever - in need of our brotherly help. It would be inhumane and un-Slavic-like if, in such circumstances, we failed to provide help in time of our Slavic brothers' (and sisters'!) need. Our extended hand Russia shall not reject, which will pave the way to Intermarium Stage Three.

... to be continued ...
Torq   
14 Jan 2024
History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

In the heart of Cracow: 2024

Pałac Potockich is certainly an interesting place in an interesting city: book premieres, interesting lectures, literary festivals, concerts, meetings with writers and translators, workshops for children, and many other activities attract visitors all year round. There is also an art gallery and a well-stocked bookshop in there. If you're ever in Cracow, make sure to check what is going on in Potockis' Palace culture centre.
Torq   
14 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

OK, so I give up the essay/memoirs form, that was a bad idea. Let's stick to simple distilled cold facts; no personal digressions, no literature, not too much history. Also, I will attempt to write it in a light, humorous formula, to increase the number of potential readers.

What I have in mind is something that was to some extent already thought of (I'm standing on the shoulders of giants and all that), but with substantial differences when it comes to details.

As you probably already have guessed, I am thinking - for a start - of a union of countries which share similar...

1. ethnicity (most of them are Slavic),
2. geopolitical position (situated between three seas - Baltic, Black and Adriatic),
3. history (of being conquered and enslaved either from the East or from the West).

For geopolitical and/or moral reasons (any Union needs a higher moral principle to guide it and add cohesion to it) the block, mostly Slavic, would include 6 non-Slavic countries (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Romania and Moldova). Those countries have either sizeable Slavic minorities or share very common historical experience of being invaded, occupied, and of their independence being taken away from them (with, quite often, their very right to ever having an independent country openly questioned). Also, those countries have similar experience of being betrayed by those they considered their allies and similar experience of being ridiculed, disregarded, and dominated by those who thought themselves better. Never again shall any member of our Union be lectured upon by some e.g. puny Dutch shopkeeper about what democracy or freedom is. The Union will restore pride and dignity to all its Honourable Member States. Never again will anyone invade, enslave and slaughter our people by millions (or, if they try, they will be met with a shock-and-awe response).

Because of the inclusion of non-Slavic members, the names such as Panslavic Union or Great Slavia are out of question, and we would have to settle for something like Middlesea (Międzymorze, Intermarium). The name is a secondary issue, but for practical reason I shall henceforth refer to the union as Intermarium. There will be three stages of Intermarium before it reaches its final form, in which it will include every single Slavic state among its members.

Intermarium - Stage One

Member states: 16
Population: ~120 million
Area: ~ 1.35 million sq km

The membership in other international organisations would not be forbidden for member states (EU, NATO, UN etc.) but Intermarium will always take precedence over any of them.

The Union will be by default wholeheartedly friendly towards the EU*, as many of our members will also be EU members. However, any attempts at domination from the likes of France or Germany, any attempts at disrespect or lecturing upon, any attempts of forcing anything down our throats will be met with a swift spit in the eyes and slap in the face, followed shortly by a kick in the balls (Slavia is - after all - a woman).

The Union will be by default wholeheartedly friendly towards Russia, as either our neighbours or Slavic brothers or a country that shares similar experience of being disregarded and disrespected in the past (or, in some cases, all three). However, any threats, sabre rattling, not to mention any concrete, openly aggressive actions will be met with a swift spit in the eyes and slap in the face, followed shortly by a kick in the balls (in future, I will shorten it to SE-SF-KB). In general, Intermarium when it comes to Russia, will adopt a role of an advocate of our Russian Slavic brothers, as long as their behaviour towards us is also brotherly.

The Union will be by default wholeheartedly friendly towards the USA and China, cooperating with them to our mutual benefit. However, any dirty tricks or double play, any attempts of achieving any shady aims at the cost of our sweat or blood (or both) will be met with - yes, you guessed it - SE-SF-KB.

In other words, no Intermarium country will ever again be: bombed into submission (like Serbia), lectured upon and disrespect (like Poland) or bullied and threatened (like Czechia). The Union will protect them from that. We will finally be strong enough not to ever face humiliation from anyone. It will be, by and large, a huge dignity restoration program.

Three main aims of Stage One Intermarium:

1. Increasing internal cohesion of the Union by educational means (from primary schools to universities), common economic, science and military projects, centrally subsidized tourism between the Union countries, student exchange programs, literature festivals, TV shows, film industry producing Intermarium blockbusters etc. (many of these actions and more will be aided and controlled by the common Intermarium Parliament).

2. Acquiring our own nuclear deterrence force. It is an absolute must and the vital factor that can ensure longevity of the project, and future safety of our entire region. Of course, there will be certain powers who will dislike the idea, but this point is non-negiotable.

3. Preparing for future inclusion of Belarus and Ukraine. A complicated issue for historical, political and merely practical reasons but for Intermarium Stage One to be transformed into Intermarium Stage Two in the future, the brotherly Belarussian and Ukrainian nations will have to be accepted in the Union.

... to be continued ...

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* - one major reform will have to be introduced within the EU: no more European funds, no more "free money", no more subsidies or cheap loans etc. Firstly, these very often serve as a way of applying political pressure (not to use the word blackmail). Secondly, they are a constant source of corruption and debt. And thirdly, they prevent people from seeing and realising the very obvious fact that wealth comes from hard work, frugality and discipline, not from taking out loans or receiving "free money".
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [943]

Four points...

1. Poland was allied to France and Britain, so those countries had to be taken into account.

2. It would have worked much better without the Soviet invasion.

3. - 4. There was no need for the French and the Brits to come to Poland. Only to Germany. Majority of German forces were tied in the East, so the offensive in the West would have been met with very little resistance. The war would have ended in late 1939 / early 1940.

utter imbecility

Yes, I sometimes wonder if Novi isn't just trolling us.
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

@Korvinus

Gulag and Holodomor are highschool level knowledge; at the time I was watching "Czterej pancerni i pies", I was in early years of primary school. Geez... I knew it was a bad idea... people will take something from a 9-year-old Torq and I will have to explain myself as if I said it today.

No. This can't be too long. This can't be too personal (sorry Natasha, Yuri and Piotr). This can't be too digressive.

I have to figure out a way to distill it into a single post (preferably in points, 1-10 or a-j). Oh, well... maybe some other day.
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

apologies

No probs. It will take some time to write it too! I wanted it to be brief and to the point but it looks like I shall fail miserably. :)
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto [37]

OK, so here goes...

I was born and raised in Poland. A Latin civilisation country. Antemurale Christianitas, bulwark of the West, Najświętsza Rzeczpospolita, Christ of Nations...

... and all that stuff. In other words I was brought up like a good little Sarmat should be. My father, who suffered from a Hegelian bite, wasn't a religious man, but what are mothers and grandmothers for? I was taught prayers and was taken to church on regular basis. Life was simple: Pope was in Rome and he spoke Polish and God was in Heaven and, naturally, He spoke Polish too. I read professor Koneczny's books (yes, I was a strange kid, and my father had a large library) and at school I listened to our form tutor, who explained to us that we should kiss on the cheeks twice - as proper Westerners do - and not three times as it is customary in the barbarian East. I was a bit sad then because in my family we always kissed three times, so at the next family reunion I kissed almost everyone twice causing many raised eyebrows of perplexed aunts and uncles. I said almost, because I kissed my maternal grandma three times; I wouldn't have dared to kiss her twice - she was a fierce woman. Apart from being a fierce woman, she sang traditional folk songs, gathered various herbs and left them to dry in the attic of her house in a mountain village; if it wasn't for the fact that she went to church every Sunday, I might have suspected her of being some sort of a witch. She taught me the songs, I helped her gather the herbs, but when she wasn't around I was back in my Latin-Knight-of-Western-Civilisation mode.

Of course I knew well that Poles were Slavic people, and that's why Germans considered us "untermenschen" and wanted to either slaughter or enslave us in WW2, I knew Russians were our allies (I watched all the episodes of "Czterej pancerni i pies" several times), and I enjoyed my vacation trips to Czechoslovakia or Bulgaria, where I felt very much at home. Even after the Eastern block ceased to exist and it was obvious that Poland was switching alliances, I never considered other Slavic states (which back then in my mind included Hungary and Romania) to be anything but friendly. However, about eight years later, I entered adulthood considering Slavicity of Poland and of myself as something of a distant and almost forgotten folklore, and Latinity and occidentality of my country as blatantly obvious. To be honest, back then there were very few cracks on my monolith of a worldview (typical for young men, isn't it?). Everything was simple and I enjoyed my newly discovered university student life. And then one day, I turned on my TV and I saw that...

... to be continued...
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [943]

Win (def.) - Poland forced Germany to retreat and leave Poland by the end of the year. Just a number from 0 to 100%, please. No stories or lectures.

Have you finally stopped masturbating furiously to gay p0rn? Just a 'yes' or a 'no'. No stories or lectures. See what happens when one asks a question in a biased way?

First of all your definition of "win" is taken right out of the depths of your anal orifice. Poland didn't have to force Germany to retreat and leave Poland in three months to win this war. All Poland had to do was to stop Germans and tie their forces for long enough for the French and the British to have time to prepare their offensive in the West, effectively ending WW2 in a couple of months. What was the probability of that on September 7th? Quite high. If you want a number, I'd say 70%. Even if everything else failed we would most likely have been able to tie considerable German forces on Przedmoście Rumuńskie long enough for the French and the Brits to get their fingers out and attack the Reich from the West. The Soviet invasion on 17th September put an end to these plans.
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
News / Polish PM Tusk- dictator or not? What Poles think? [421]

he had a popular show in Polsat "Co z tą Polską?"

Based on his book under the same title.

TV Republika

Even with propaganda you need to apply certain measure of subtlety and finesse. TV Republika rarely does.
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [943]

The answer would be 0 - in 1939

Nope. We were still putting up a decent defense; less effective than it could be - that's true - because the c*nts attacked us from West, North and South and we were spread along the borders, so it was one huge encirclement battle from the very beginning. Still, Wehrmacht was starting to experience logistical problems, there were counter attacks in progress (including the Battle of Bzura) and a lot of untouched units were marching towards Przedmoście Rumuńskie, to form a new defensive line there...

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przedmo%C5%9Bcie_rumu%C5%84skie

... unfortunately, we were stabbed in the back by the Soviets, who entered from the East on the entire length of our eastern border (about 1400 km) - 620,000 soldiers, 4700 tanks, 300 planes. And in the east there were only rare KOP (border guards) units. That sealed our faith. But still, I wouldn't say that the chances were 0.

As for 1944... a complicated issue. With hindsight, a mistake.
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [943]

what Russians are doing....

... is generally condemned all over the world, and about 50 countries are aiding Ukraine or/and introduced various types of sanctions. Ukrainians on the other hand, not only refuse to call their actions genocide, but never even properly apologised for it and are refusing the exhumation of the victims to finally give them proper burial.

Germans have changed

Yes. They changed their conduct.

Ukrainians have changed

I will say that they have changed when they apologise for the UPA bestiality, and when our dead are properly buried. Then I will say that Ukrainians have changed
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
News / Polish PM Tusk- dictator or not? What Poles think? [421]

Tomasz Lis's firm earned more than 20 million PLN in the years 2008-2016 for producing his talk-show programme

The show made profit. For example, in its final year the cost was 3.7 million PLN and income from TV ads during the show's emission were 4.6 million. So, it was no charity - Lis was making money for TVP.
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [943]

Russians (...) have only killed 20.000 Ukrainians

It was 10,000 in November 2023. I doubt if the number doubled in 2 months.

Still, even if it was 20,000, then compare it to Polish civilian losses of about 100,000 in September (one month!) 1939. 5 times higher losses in 24 times shorter time. So, the Germans that you so like and admire were 120 times worse, proportionally.

Ukrainians killed 60.000 Poles

You are now comparing collateral damage in Ukraine, a result of a full-scale war between two regular armies, to civilians being slaughtered in tens of thousands by armed animals in uniforms? Unbe-f*cking-lievable. That's why you are such a disgusting, banderist cock-sucking, genocide justifier.
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

two-times World Champion

My apologies to the 1974 team that I forgot. Of course it should be three-times World Champions.
Torq   
13 Jan 2024
History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

Raz... dwa... trzy!: 2018

Volleyball is the only olympic team sport in which Poland is a two-times World Champion (and two times runner-up). Our male team is currently the best in international ranking (ladies sit in respectable 7th place), and in 2023 the final of CEV Champions League was played between two Polish teams. Volleyball fans in Poland can look with mild amusement at football fans (although preferably without them noticing :)).
Torq   
12 Jan 2024
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [943]

have the mentality of slaves who agree to wickedness their regime imposes on them.

But this regime are Russians too, aren't they? Are they slaves too? Do they take orders (or suggestions) from Washington or Brussels? Did they consult anyone before their invasion of Ukraine? Are they waiting for any money to be paid to them from the EU? Is any external body dictating to Russia how their legal system should look like, for example, or what forms od energy they should use?

So, maybe (just maybe) it is they who are more free than we are?