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Rare occasion where I agree with Maf.

The kid who had his collar bone broken - his mom went to the police department the same day.

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Jedna z matek poszła na policję. Chciała zgłosić pobicie, które miało miejsce przed szkołą. Na komisariacie odprawili ją z kwitkiem. Usłyszała, że nie ma dzielnicowego i dlatego nie będzie zgłoszenia.

WTF is this - segregation era Mississippi?


This is not some drunk driver, not a 30 year old dumbass that brings a Bandera flag to a concert, not some ultras that fight with their Legia colleagues - but 16 year old kids attending high school.

If you teach young Poles now that it's "okay" to hate on Ukrainians just for the fact that they are there, then there is no hope of good relations between your countries in the future.

You sound just like the parents that argue their kid did not get a fair shake, and that the mendacious Ukrainians somehow provoked them...

I can imagine the Ukrainian provocation:

- Jesteś ukraińską suką.

- Nie, nie jestem ukraińską suką.

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To me - this business is... confusing, I swear.

If he looked all around the world - the WHOLE PLANET - a Pole could probably not find a people closer to him in background and temperament than a Ukrainian. Well... maybe a Slovak or a Czech would be closer, but they are few and quite happy in their own countries.

So this absolute "racial" hatred evident in the Onet article is really stupefying:

"Jeden z napastników najpierw splunął w twarz jednemu z ukraińskich chłopców, mówiąc: »Na front, kurwa ukraińska« i zaczął bić go pięściami w twarz. Drugi napastnik dołączył i wspólnie pobili 16-letniego chłopca. Kolejny z uczniów pochodzenia ukraińskiego otrzymał cios w tył głowy, nie widząc nawet, kto go uderzył. Pobicie również zostało zarejestrowane na nagraniu".

Would some Afghan or some Sudanese boy get this same treatment from a Pole?

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@Ironside

Ukrainian papers are all covering this story. The Consul General in Gdansk has gotten involved. The local police and the school have made statements - so it seems a true story.

Some Ukrainian kids get beaten in Poland on a weekly basis, and nobody really cares because it's usually local riff-raff involved.

This case is causing much more resonance, because it was:

1) encouraged by a teacher

2) the police tried to ignore the initial filing of a complaint

3) and supposedly (this is now Ukrainian reporting), the parents of the Polish students think their kids are not getting a "fair shake" and that the Ukrainian kids somehow provoked them.

Ukrainian social media comments are divided:

A) One group says - we are guests in their country, we must stay quiet. We must not rock the boat.

B) Another group says - this is what you get when you go live amongst foreigners and expect to be treated equally. Come home, and don't deal with these humiliations.

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Meanwhile, Polish pedagogues and students are real heroes!

Onet reports, two Ukrainian kids in Slupsk were beaten by their classmates (one got a concussion, and the other a broken collar bone) - after encouragement from their retarded teacher.

In the available recordings, one can hear how the teacher calls his Ukrainian students "swołoczy". Also he tells them: "Jak będziecie zdawać następnym razem egzamin, na pewno nie zdacie. Ponieważ udowodnię wam, kto to jest Polak".

Hahaha! I myself became curious kim jest Polak?

Then this:

Jeden z polskich uczniów na lekcjach miał często włączać telefon z dźwiękami spadających bomb i rakiet, mówiąc do Ukraińców: "czas się schować".

I mean... they are cruel - but they are also quality comedians. I can see where Torq gets his Pomorian humor!

The article goes on and on, with bits like this:

Z relacji rodzica wynika, że antyukraińskie wypowiedzi nauczyciela podobały się niektórym polskim uczniom. - Jeden z nich podszedł do nauczyciela i mówił, że "za to Pana właśnie szanuję".

In the end, one begins to form an impression that this is not the problem of a single retard teacher and two of his retard students, but a more systemic problem. Potentially even involving police negligence.

Read for yourself here: wiadomosci.onet.pl/trojmiasto/w-klasie-nauczyciel-wyzywal-ukrainskich-chlopcow-od-swoloczy-przed-szkola-zaatakowali/nkxfcre?

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Your posts are beyond satire/caricature...

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My point is simple - it takes courage to live as an atheist

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One big benefit of an atheist - is you have a more certain understanding of his bravery.

If this guy is willing to go and die, knowing full well there's nothing else waiting for him... then you know you have a real guy before you.

Contrast this to some guy who thinks he's going to Heaven afterwards, and that's why he will do it.

Who will you trust more?

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You got Novichok. Your 30'days of vacation are approved!

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One of my favorite authors, Kurt Vonnegut, at his funeral a guy began a speech with:

"Well, he's in Heaven now!"

The audience erupted in cheers and laughter.

-//-

Atheists are the most decent people, in many occasions.

We do the good things we do, not for any promise, but because it's right.

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Protection is important...

True enough - these guys in the past were always the biggest, scariest, most ruthless "motherf*ckers".

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Happiness is much different. Sometimes it overlaps, but many times it suffers at the expense of "security".

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The main reason we have "chiefs" is that they channel the popular will.

They manage to take into account the interests and views of "Bob the Loser and Introvert", "Mike the Beast", "Susan the Caretaker", and "Jimmy the Kid" - and synthesize all this into a coherent plan, that leaves the everyone unhappy, but satisfied.


My Christ, is the God that was nailed to a cross

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@Torq

My "Christianity" died 1700 years ago. I don't like this Christianity now.

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They are contemptible "worms"... but we must pay them respect and pray at their altar, because... "they are the source of all power".

Others will tell you, "there is no truth, deeper than the folk truth".

So we have to play this kabuki theater, where we all dance around and kowtow to the "people" and their "infinite wisdom".

It has always been this way. Except for in Singapore, maybe.

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Dialectic materialism is a useful framework for understanding the world, and its history.

Without Hegel and Marx, we'd still be swimming in romantic "Great Man" interpretations of history....

Marx is a genius, and Lenin - his follower - twice the genius - because he dealt in practical reality.

Just because I don't like the end result - does not mean they were not great men.

-//-

But I have an American education, which also emphasized texts of "Western Civilization". Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine, Aquinas, Maimonides, etc.

So I'm not happy when Marxists treat the Bible and classical philosophy as "feudal ideology", "primitive historiography", or as "false consciousness".

-//-

I can interpret the Bible and the Patristic Texts on their own terms, without putting on my "scientist" hat and savagely critiquing them. As my father would do.

-//-

I belong to two worlds :)

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@Torq

Are you saying I claim righteousness?

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@Bratwurst Boy

Spoken like a true German.

Indeed, direction is important. The spirits and energies of the "people" must be guided, unless you want results that will remind you of living in a horror film.

When the "people" are given free rein, it inevitably ends in a pogrom (read: bloodbath).

The "people" are stupid and not to be trusted in any circumstance.

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@Torq

I like how Grunnie thinks... always surprising to read his posts.

What did they do to him in Norway, to make him this way?

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Even then, the blade of the axe is guided by other members of the minority.

Look the French Revolution, or Russian Revolution to see the truth of my words.

Even in Rwanda, amidst a chaos where Tutsis and Hutus were butchering each other with machetes... there was a hand behind the curtain guiding this.

The "human mass" - is simply incapable of organizing itself - by definition.

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@Torq

10,000 Bolsheviks conquered a 150 million strong Russia.

2 million Mongols put the Eurasian continent on its knees.

Financial elites steer flows of trillions of dollars - but they can all fit inside one tall building in Manhattan.

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The majority has one problem - they are extremely heterogenous. They are divided by class, by regional identity, by religion, by personal priority, and individual temperament.

The minority, on the other hand, are unified by one core goal - maintain or even augment their position.

The minority:

1) Organizes faster

2) Shares interests more tightly

3) Communicates more effectively

4) And most importantly... is capable of acting decisevly.

The lumpenproletariat lacks all these abilities.

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85% of Grabbers do what Bobko and Velund tell them to do :)

Noisy, but simultaneously docile.

They only behave so loudly, because they understand in their heart that everything they say is ultimately without consequence.

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Damn... Grunnie - whatchu been smoking?

It's about 500 years too late to be building great walls!


Now this is a great idea. If Russians saw Eastern Europeans investing massive amounts of money to upgrade Russian infrastructure (of course not for free, but in exchange for ownership), then this would do more than practically anything else to bring our people closer together.

Before the war our main investors were Germans and Scandinavians. They built massive power plants, and other nice things. It would be nice to see other Easterners do it instead.


Sounds like some mumbo jumbo the prince of Saudi Arabia or the Sultan of Brunei would do.

All these "future city" projects are money grabs by unscrupulous people.

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This is his role.

But he favors the "hard men". Because he has affinity to them, being a KGB colonel himself.

To him we are civilians - naive, idealistic, childish.

Earlier he had the wisdom to allow us oxygen, now he thinks we "get in the way".

Maybe we are not famous fighters, and not good Christians - but we have the interests of Russia at heart as any other man.

To paint us as traitors and "bourgeois" is to reject a huge part of your strength.

We are willing and obedient and we don't need much. Just don't treat us like the relatives visiting from another region.

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@amiga600

You still get excited about this nonsense? You are a smart guy, why do you post this?

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It would be my great honor to be an Oprichnik for the "Sun-Like One". But he must trust us for this....

We are better executors of his heavenly will, than his current posse.

No one is questioning he has the mandate, and the power. But... he has to widen the tent and allow others in, to help him achieve his plans.

He cannot afford to be isolated, and cut off from such people.

We accept him, but he has to accept us.

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Putinists are improvisers and men with low horizons.

They don't help the man, with their advice.

I feel I know what Putin wants - and that my plan would get him there sooner - if he just trusted us again.

By "us" - I mean the liberalizers. People who grew up in the shadow of Kudrin, Gref, Nabiullina. I might add Belousov as a potential ally.

In opposition to the "hard men", like Patrushev, Ivanov, Chemezov, etc.

The people that delivered Putin (in record time, and at record low cost) the machine that can fight Europe and America simultaneously - are us.

If he listened only to people he is ideologically close to, he wouldn't be able to do half the things he has done.

If he wants a strong and unstoppable Russia - he should listen to people like me.

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I am so positively surprised at the amount of ideas for how to make Russia a better country.

You are all Russian patriots, and good sons of Russia - wherever the world has placed you currently.

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This takes time.

Before the war we borrowed hundreds of billions from the West (while still keeping our debt load manageable at under 30% ratio to GDP).

This built electrical plants, high speed rail, and national highway network.

We need trillions more of Western money if we are to become truly strong.

Once we become fully strong - I'm "down" for all kinds of adventure. You want to declare war on the whole world - be my guest - so long as you first ensured we are standing firmly on our feet.

But this business of challenging the whole world, while we are rebuilding, seems insane to me.