News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Unrelated to the topic at hand.


That's the only really unique thing with the holocaust, although other governments have arguably killed more people (like the Soviets and Chinese).

The 20th century was marked by lots o' genocide - making it all about the holocaust alone disrespects other victims.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


How about Rwanda? Cambodia? Palestine? Why is all concern about genocide supposed to be about Germany in WWII it wasn't the first or last or even the largest (proportionately). If all thought of genocide is limited to the holocaust then there's nothing to learn about genocide...

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So you don't believe in freedom of speech.... and you think the historical accuracy of the narrative is so delicate that it can't stand criticism? Maybe it does need to be investigated...


Who defines hate speech?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


In Europe that was largely true, the allies helped a little in the west but the hard work was done by the soviets. The Americans did mostly win the pacific theater.


I think the distinction is Soviet (Stalin) vs Russian but Stalin is being rehabilitated now so...

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


freedom of expression. You either believe in freedom of speech (which includes the freedom to say things that you believe are wrong or dangerous) or you don't. I do.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Not much of a war from their point of view since they didn't do much fighting but yeah, embarrassing to be so ill-informed for a group wanting to lecture others about what they can and can't say.

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You do realize that "Polish prisoners of Nazi concentration camps" are hardly a representative group...


What "return"? the chances that anything valuable about the property predates WWII is a fantasy 99% of the time and no, return of property should not include construction after WWII. If it's returned they should pay taxes on it since construction - no more no questions asked returns.

If they want to return to Poland to claim and live in it - fine, but if they want to stay in the US and sell it to someone in absentia then they can go chase a cat as far as I'm concerned.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


then you accept collective guilt for the expulsion of the palestinians? Or do you support the right of return?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

In the ways that matter, yes. Poland seems to be an idealized Other.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


his own insecurities about his Polishness, since he's not especially Polish culturally (socio-anthropological meaning) he emphasizes the aspect where he is Polish in his mind palace and many who are Polish culturally aren't.

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But..... it doesn't. Look, I don't have a dog in the Israeli Palestinian struggle over land, it's a scenario that's played out countless times in human existence and usually the better organized side wins - in this case that's the Israelis. It only bothers me when the Israelis expect people to recognize them as somehow entitled because of their religion. Nope. That don't play with me. Try again they're not special they're just pulling the same power dynamic that all groups do.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


There's a lot of that going around.


I don't believe in any religion so to me it looks just like one ethnic group pushing another out of land it wants for itself.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Agreed. But should Jews in the US feel collective guilt for the dispossession of tens of thousands (or more!) Palestinians? Do you support the Right of Return for Palestinians?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

The two arent that incompatible, early post WWII was a large scale socialist experiment (that largely didn't work).

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Yeah.... I'm actually overall far more in the Israeli friend camp than the "drive them into the sea!" camp but they have little room to lecture other countries about morality. Grant the Palestinians the right of return and then they can preach to Poland...

to be clear, the right of return is a non-starter and would be a terrible idea, but all the melodramatic hand wringing about this dumb law does not create a good impression.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Get back to me after Israel grants Palestinians the right of return....

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Nope. Try again. A country of 38 million should feel guilty about the actions of a few hundred? Try again. Just imagine Israelis answering every Palestinian claim for reparations.....

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


And how many generations are claims going to continue? At this point I'm "if you want to come to Poland and live there you might have a claim otherwise, enjoy life where you are" There is not a single reason for modern Poland to feel any kind of collective guilt about WWII.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Has there ever been a victimized group in human history that has been so compensated? Where are the groups pressing for compensation for Gypsies (or Tutsis, Armenians or Pontic Greeks etc etc etc?)

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Steve Sailer has written on occasion about how incompetent Jewish conmen seem to be able to temporarily rise to dizzying heights before the roof caves in on their fecklessness... like Efraim Diveroli a Miami hustler who somehow got a $300 million deal from the Pentagon to supply the Afghan army with weapons and tried to use obsolete Chinese ammo to do so...

The few seconds I was able to watch Daniels I kept getting a heavy Diveroli vibe... in over his head and hoping those on the various sides won't make him for the empty shirt he is.

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Where does he live? I can't imagine anyone taking part in any kind of English speaking culture and not understanding your intent.... it speaks to a profound failure to integrate at any meaningful level.

It is very Polish, when someone points out something wrong a person did but instead of apologizing that person goes on the offensive...

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He speaks no Polish (in the few interviews I was able to find on youtube) and everything about him screams 'fake' and 'conman'


All too true about the government


they can't stand the idea of Poles not feeling guilty? plus... Netanyahu is an Israeli Kaczynski who wants to create a siege mentality among the population - "they all hate you, only I can protect you"

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Under PiS the mission of TVP is the same as it was in the PRL, to glorify the government and not mention things going wrong and to strengthen the perception that people who are unhappy with the government are very wrong and/or very evil. People that find that to be an acceptable format for digesting news are announcing they don't care about truth, just their side.

TVN has its faults but is more likely to report on failures as well as successes.

Someone who cares about news (as a way of finding out about the world) uses a variety of difference sources and is critical of all of them.

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It's a classic case of projection, accusing others of one's own moral failings.

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Like someone with a massive inferiority complex and case of alienation (not feeling truly at home anywhere) seeking to dull the pain by associating himself with a group to which he doesn't really belong in any meaningful way (and to compensate for his marginal status he reconstructs a version of the group in his head where he does belong, more so than many real and distinguished members of the group).

You asked.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

Write that on your knees, did you? Stay there, it suits you.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


so how long are people supposed to crawl after being let into a country? do you still beg on your knees in the US?

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So which are you?

Someone with citizenship (I know several non-ethnic Poles with citizneship) cannot be described as foreigners.... except by blithering idiots who don't know a passport form a hold in the ground.

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Do they claim to be Polish in any real sense?

The Polish language lacks any type of convenient term to distinguish ethnic Poles from non-ethnic Polish citizens (Russian and Chinese do have such words) so either the language is defective or Polish nationality is ultimately of the integrative type where citizenship and linguistic affiliation trump ethnic origin, this makes it similar to your own culture - that of the US.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

Agnieszka Holland is ten times the Pole you'll ever be.